Allah - Common Noun?
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peace, common noun or Joe in the heavens and in the land is nonsensical.
11 in name (attribute) the god the almighty the merciful
63 and he the god in the heavens and in the land
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peace, common noun or Joe in the heavens and in the land is nonsensical.
11 in name (attribute) the god the almighty the merciful
63 and he the god in the heavens and in the land
Hmm.. i have seen this argument before. Brother Ayman said that as well.
Could you also give me some more? I am interested in this common noun understanding of Allah.
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peace
common/proper/abstract nouns are generated by the language experts
male and female are two pairs what generate another pairlanguage use the masculine form when addressing God does not make God a masculine
God is what God is free from whatever we can associate with him
coming back to nouns as per language rules the easy way to check what rules make a noun as proper / common
then you will b still figuring what noun God is as we dnt know how to calculate measure or define all about God
so addressing something towards God is same as thinking metaphorically about God without having a clue what God is in real terms so basically we cant say God is this and God is that
let say we must see the rules as per ch112
God created everything (every creation got data/information/existence observed by senses provided to us by Godhe must not b like creation means we dnt have any idea how to describe him without any observance in hand
so how can the grammer comes in between God when there is not any set of rules in grammer although i have an opinion for language experts
grammer comes from the nature of things in the universe so we must add another section in parts of speech a new word
noun,verb,adjective etc(created things)
for God it must b written in a seperate note like this "the only word grammer unable to adress is God" this mysterious word contain lot of stuff which is beyond the limits of human perceptions and nobody seen God yet so we address God as God
blessing in the name of universal God
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language use the masculine form when addressing God does not make God a masculine
A friend of mine made a comment on that
WHY QURAN USES MASCULINE PRONOUNS (HE/HIM/HIS) FOR ALLAH?
Some people raise the question as to why Muslims refer to Allah with masculine pronouns when they say He has no gender and is not like unto anyone.
In order to understand the whole idea, please consider the following points
NATURAL AND GRAMMATICAL GENDERS
There are two kinds of gender; 1) Natural (Haqeeqi), related to one?s biological bearing and 2) Grammatical (Majazi) considering their usage in the language.
These two kinds of genders are found in many languages but more especially in Arabic. Ibn Sida in his classical Arabic grammar book quotes Al-Farisi as saying
?There are two kinds of femininity femininity of meaning and femininity of wording.? (Al-Mukhassas 4/135)
And obviously the same goes for masculinity.
In Arabic Sun is feminine and Moon is masculine, surely they have no gender but that?s what their etymological form makes of them.
Even in English states and ships are referred to with feminine pronouns. This fact does not assign them a de facto gender as in humans and animals.
ARABIC HAS NO NEUTRAL GENDER
An important point we need to keep in my mind is that Arabic has no neutral gender so there is nothing like ?it? in Arabic. Everything is referred to using either masculine or feminine pronouns.
?ALLAH? (ه CANNOT BE FEMININE ACCORDING TO RULES OF ARABIC
Infact the make up of the word (Allah) is such that it cannot be feminine for;
1- A word is feminine in Arabic if it is so by nature like i.e. umm but obviously Allah is not feminine by nature.
2- A word is feminine if it ends with the third of the Arabic alphabets i.e. taa like (fan). This is not the case with the word (Allah).
3- A word is feminine if it ends with i.e. Alif Mamduda and indeed this also is not the case with the word (Allah).
4- Something can be feminine if it happens to be in pairs like (eyes) or (hands). Certainly this is not the case with the word (Allah).
These points clarify that the make up of the word Allah does not allow to refer to it with feminine pronouns.
MASCULINITY GENERALLY DENOTES MAJESTY
If one asks why use masculine pronoun for Allah and not feminine then the answer is that generally masculinity represents Majesty and femininity denotes meekness and softness. And as the primary relation of man with Allah is that of a humble servant to his lord so the masculine pronouns suit more the Divine Majesty.
LAST WORD
Masculine pronouns used for Allah do not give any anthropomorphic sense because it is normal at least considering the Arabic language convention. And it, we may say, denotes the Divine Majesty.
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Whise convention is that that masculine denotes majesty?
he moon is more majestic than the sun, for instance? The sun is feminine in Arabic and the moon masculine, like in German.
That is the kind of nonsense that undoes the other logical questions dealt with in the post, like that the gender of words is a grammatical question, a convention of grammar, and not any statement about the masculinity or femininity of say a chair or a brush. But gendering words does a lot to simplify and make language economical, which is why so many languages use gender as an important trait. But getting into the meekness and softness is nonsense. In Spanish "stone" is feminine, so much for softness. Of course, there ar emany words that also mean stones or some kind of stones and which are not feminine, but who cares and who fantasizes about it to come up with some sort of mystical transposition of grammar?
I am not saying a mystical transposition of grammar cannot be done, but surely not that silly unfounded way.
Salaam
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exactly
moreover gender is classified different in different cultures depend on te language adoption how one inherited that term
like let say urdu and punjabi both are my natives and in punjabi the word arm use femine gender whereas in urdu arm used as masculine gender like this
mera bazo (urdu) masculine
meri ba( punjabi) feminesometimes in case of eye
tumhari ankh(urdu) feminine
tumharay nain ( urdu) masculinesame goes in punjabi for eye like this
teri akhh ( punajbi) fem
tera dela ( punjabi) mas
so one thing "eye"we can speak in both forms if gender in both punjabi and urduintrestingly human classified gender on things according to their nature in case of living things
example earth always classified as feminine due to the nature of giving birth to things from her belly
even planets like earth who did not give birth to anything we classified it as masculinein case of non-living things different things classified different gender form culture to culture
as you pointed out about ship in english classified as fem but in my language ship(behri jahaz) purely classified as masculine
look how complex is all this and you still thinking about what gender we represent by God its illogical
no male or female can represent majesty he is above from everything whatever we can even imagine
either you adress him by male or female or none it will not effect the greatfulness and glory of God he is so high so great
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Whise convention is that that masculine denotes majesty?
he moon is more majestic than the sun, for instance? The sun is feminine in Arabic and the moon masculine, like in German.
That is the kind of nonsense that undoes the other logical questions dealt with in the post, like that the gender of words is a grammatical question, a convention of grammar, and not any statement about the masculinity or femininity of say a chair or a brush. But gendering words does a lot to simplify and make language economical, which is why so many languages use gender as an important trait. But getting into the meekness and softness is nonsense. In Spanish "stone" is feminine, so much for softness. Of course, there ar emany words that also mean stones or some kind of stones and which are not feminine, but who cares and who fantasizes about it to come up with some sort of mystical transposition of grammar?
I am not saying a mystical transposition of grammar cannot be done, but surely not that silly unfounded way.
Salaam
When Grammar itself was invented? If it came after The Quran Divine revelation then it has no authority on the language Allah/God (SWTAY)
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Hmm.. i have seen this argument before. Brother Ayman said that as well.
Could you also give me some more? I am interested in this common noun understanding of Allah.
These are common nouns
5319 have so seen you allat and al-uza
https//s7.postimg.org/93wm1ql4r/ch52v45-ch53v21.png
Whereas
5924 he the god the creator...
https//s7.postimg.org/lije1r7ej/ch59v17-ch60v0.png
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These are common nouns
5319 have so seen you allat and al-uza
https//s7.postimg.org/93wm1ql4r/ch52v45-ch53v21.png
Whereas
5924 he the god the creator...
https//s7.postimg.org/lije1r7ej/ch59v17-ch60v0.png
I can see that you have taught yourself grammaticaly?
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When Grammar itself was invented? If it came after The Quran Divine revelation then it has no authority on the language Allah/God (SWTAY)
Meant to say the language Allah/God (SWTAY) is using.
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When Grammar itself was invented? If it came after The Quran Divine revelation then it has no authority on the language Allah/God (SWTAY)
Grammar is inherent to language. Every language has grammar, just like any material thing has a structure. Gramar is not any more invented than language. Automatically if there language there is grammar, because the language is formed with a structure, otherwise we would not be able to communicate. But the constructing of any particular language may follow conventions, not inventions but conventions. Gender is one such convention. s aside from conventions, but exists in those things that are gendered. When applied to things that are not gendered in themselves, it is a convention. We agree or tacitle accept that a encil will hav e this or that gender, that virtues will have this or that gender, etc. etc. Just also like the days of the week are a convention. No essential difference between one day or another, just a convention for convenience and order. Language itself is a convention.
So no need to look for an alibi in the grammar of the Qur'an, where, by the way the sun is also feminine.
Salaam
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I can see that you have taught yourself grammaticaly?
e.g. deconstruct/parse longest word in Arabic language/Qur'an
1522 fa-asqaynkumhu/so gave drink we you (pl.) it
http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=33656
https//s7.postimg.org/jq3wtw46j/ch15v7-25.jpg
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e.g. deconstruct/parse longest word in Arabic language/Qur'an
1522 fa-asqaynkumhu/so gave drink we you (pl.) it
http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=33656
https//s7.postimg.org/jq3wtw46j/ch15v7-25.jpg
Um...you sadly lost me.
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Um...you sadly lost me.
you asked; gave example of longest word (its grammatical components).
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you asked; gave example of longest word (its grammatical components).
Actually i said this
Could you also give me some more? I am interested in this common noun understanding of Allah.
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There is one i forgot to show is that another main argument is the word Allah is a contraction of AL & ILAH. What do you say this Noon? Could you gives a detailed explanation dear brother of Mankind?
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And before you respond dear brother i must let you know that my knowlegde in the arabic language is very poor.
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There is one i forgot to show is that another main argument is the word Allah is a contraction of AL & ILAH. What do you say this Noon? Could you gives a detailed explanation dear brother of Mankind?
peace, already gave examples common nouns
5319 have so seen you al-lata wal-uza
5320 wamanata the third (f) the other
5323 not it is except names named ye themwhereas definition the one and only deity is clear
32 the god not deity except he the alive the sustainer
63 and he the god in the heavens and in the land knoweth secret yours and public yours and knoweth what thou earning
5924 he the god the creator the inventor the fashioner to him the names the beautiful glorify to him what in the heavens and the land and he the mighty the wise
1121 say he the god one
1122 the god the eternal
1123 not begets and not begotten
1124 and not beeth to him equal of one/anyonehttps//digilib.bbaw.de/digitallibrary/servlet/Scaler?fn=/silo10/Koran/SayyidaZainab/112-001a&dw=800
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whereas definition the one and only deity is clear
There are these verses that support that
Wahuwa allathee fee alssama-iilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemualAAaleemu
4384 He is the One who is a god in the heaven and a god on earth. He is the Wise, the Knowledgeable.Qul innama yooha ilayya annamailahukum ilahun wahidun fahal antummuslimoona
21108 Say"It is inspired to me that your god is but One god, so will you submit to Him?"Innama ilahukumu Allahuallathee la ilaha illa huwa wasiAAakulla shay-in AAilman
2098 Your god is God; whom there is no god but He. His knowledge encompasses all things.Waqala Allahu latattakhithoo ilahayni ithnayni innama huwailahun wahidun fa-iyyaya fairhabooni
1651 And God said "Do not take two gods, there is only One god, so it is Me that you shall reverence."Qul ayyu shay-in akbaru shahadatanquli Allahu shaheedun baynee wabaynakum waoohiyailayya hatha alqur-anu li-onthirakum bihiwaman balagha a-innakum latashhadoona anna maAAa Allahi alihatanokhra qul la ashhadu qul innama huwa ilahunwahidun wa-innanee baree-on mimma tushrikoona
619 Say "Which is the greatest testimony?" Say "God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Qur'an that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches, that you are bearing witness that with God are other gods!" Say "I do not bear witness!" Say "He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you have set up!"
4171
Ya ahla alkitabi lataghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahiilla alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesaibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqahaila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahiwarusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahookhayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidunsubhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahiwakeelan
O people of the Book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of God and the fulfillment of His word to Mary and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and the earth; and God is enough as a Caretaker.
1452
Hatha balaghun lilnnasiwaliyuntharoo bihi waliyaAAlamoo annama huwa ilahunwahidun waliyaththakkara oloo al-albabi
This is a proclamation for the people and so that they are warned with it, and so that they know that there is but One god, and so that those who possess intelligence will remember. -
You must have high interest on ancient manuscripts of Al-Quran. )
