Which are the sacred months

centi50

Salaam to All,
Which are the sacred months, and how do you know these months are sacred if not from hadiths.
How do you know that Ramadhan is the 9th month if not from hadiths.

A friend of mine asked me this question I couldn't answer, because of my low knowledge on the issue.

Any help will be appreciated

Thank you

Ervin

Peace.

I am also interested in the answer from this op.

Anyone

Thanks

Wakas

Here is a good article to begin with, especially the first 10 paragraphs
https//www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/science/timing.htm

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

Peace!

There are none to be observed. Hajj is over and al masjid al haram has been abandoned by the believers. If the God wanted us to follow a calendar or know which months are inviolable, He would have given us the details.

owlwithbow

Salaam to All,
Which are the sacred months, and how do you know these months are sacred if not from hadiths.
How do you know that Ramadhan is the 9th month if not from hadiths.

A friend of mine asked me this question I couldn't answer, because of my low knowledge on the issue.

Any help will be appreciated

Thank you

You can't change the calendar that the Arabs were following in the time of Mohammad? We also can't change the language of the Arabs just because most of them are sectarian, why wouldn't we question the language as well? And there are more things to question..

Sometimes we have to accept traditional history. The calendar was already there before the birth of Mohammad? So we would need a history book that we can trust, how else would you know it..

Novice

You can't change the calendar that the Arabs were following in the time of Mohammad? We also can't change the language of the Arabs just because most of them are sectarian, why wouldn't we question the language as well? And there are more things to question..

Sometimes we have to accept traditional history. The calendar was already there before the birth of Mohammad? So we would need a history book that we can trust, how else would you know it..

Yes calendar was there before the time of Muhammad but was it hijiri calendar (which started from the first day of hijrat from Mecca to Medina, allegedly introduced by Umar after Muhammad's death).
Does that calendar had a day named yaum-ul Jumah or a month named Ramadhan?

imrankhawaja

intrestingly there were lot of calendar systems from time to time

even in pre-history buildings there is a method of calculating days and years
finally the 365 days calendar system overtakes every culture and they stick to follow this willingly or unwillingly surprisingly if i m not wrong the day in sungular form repeated 365 times in quran.

coming back to language ,the international products what we see in markets are always highlight their text with english and arabic although english is international language and thats why main religions translated their scriptures in english i ll start a new thread on the very intresting finding what i experienced few days ago about the language of main religious scriptures

brook

Salaam to All,
Which are the sacred months, and how do you know these months are sacred if not from hadiths.
How do you know that Ramadhan is the 9th month if not from hadiths.

A friend of mine asked me this question I couldn't answer, because of my low knowledge on the issue.

Any help will be appreciated

Thank you

https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2018&country=74

In 2018 we will witness 13 ashhur -full moons
2 in Jan,
none in Feb,
2 in March,
and 1 in each of the remaining 9 calendar months.

4 of the 13 full moons are sacred
or rather forbiddden as fighting is forbidden in them (92),
and as fighting will start again when they are over (95).

One of the 4 full moons is the time when the Great Pilgrimage was performed (93),
so DhulHijjah is a forbidden full moon.

Accordingly, the 4 forbidden full moons are

Shahr Ramadan (scorching, time of fasting)
Shahr DhulHijjah (muslim pilgrimage)
3.Shahr Rajab (respect for peace)
4.Sahr DhulKaadah (sitting in peace)

In 2018
they are

28 June
27 July
26 August
25 September.

Peace,
Hasan Akcay

Noon_waalqalami

In 2018
they are

28 June
27 July
26 August
25 September.

peace, that's northern hemisphere and mirrored for southern hemisphere cycle starts in 3 days Jan 2, 2018 hence twice/year.

2185 shahru ramadan (heat) the one descends in it the Qur'an guidance to the humankind ...

https//s10.postimg.org/8xscpeou1/ramadan.jpg

209 and not come to you hadithu/narration Moses 2010 when saw fire of so said to family his stays ye of indeed I perceived I fire of perhaps bring you therein with heat or I find on/over the fire guidance

owlwithbow

Yes calendar was there before the time of Muhammad but was it hijiri calendar (which started from the first day of hijrat from Mecca to Medina, allegedly introduced by Umar after Muhammad's death).
Does that calendar had a day named yaum-ul Jumah or a month named Ramadhan?

That's a good question. I don't know.

I also had my questions about friday, it seems that they changed it to fit their agenda by calling their followers every friday to indoctrinate them. Because why do i think that they changed that day, because all day names in Arabic are numbers except friday.

We know by reading the Quran that they changed the calendar.

But my point is, how can we know what the real calendar is, and what the truth is..
It would be a really hard quest. And i don't even know if we would find the answer.

So i ignore the question. To me, i don't mind the calendar at the moment. It's only the month Ramadan which i can't identify on my own.

owlwithbow

intrestingly there were lot of calendar systems from time to time

even in pre-history buildings there is a method of calculating days and years
finally the 365 days calendar system overtakes every culture and they stick to follow this willingly or unwillingly surprisingly if i m not wrong the day in sungular form repeated 365 times in quran.

coming back to language ,the international products what we see in markets are always highlight their text with english and arabic although english is international language and thats why main religions translated their scriptures in english i ll start a new thread on the very intresting finding what i experienced few days ago about the language of main religious scriptures

The problem with those translations is that most of them or nearly all of them are made by sects and groups who wish to "correct" other translations and translate the "true meaning". I already gave up, i don't want to rely my whole life on translations. I know i won't get the whole 100% of the message if i don't start learning the language. It's like i am reading what the translator wants me to read.

owlwithbow

https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2018&country=74

In 2018 we will witness 13 ashhur -full moons
2 in Jan,
none in Feb,
2 in March,
and 1 in each of the remaining 9 calendar months.

4 of the 13 full moons are sacred
or rather forbiddden as fighting is forbidden in them (92),
and as fighting will start again when they are over (95).

One of the 4 full moons is the time when the Great Pilgrimage was performed (93),
so DhulHijjah is a forbidden full moon.

Accordingly, the 4 forbidden full moons are

Shahr Ramadan (scorching, time of fasting)
Shahr DhulHijjah (muslim pilgrimage)
3.Shahr Rajab (respect for peace)
4.Sahr DhulKaadah (sitting in peace)

In 2018
they are

28 June
27 July
26 August
25 September.

Peace,
Hasan Akcay

How do we know when the four sacred months arrive?

brook

Peace owlwithbow.

How do we know when the four sacred months arrive?

The longest daytime is familiar to us all.

When we observe the longest daytime,
we know that soon afterwards the scorching ful moon (shahr ramadan) will rise,
which is the first forbidden full moon.

Please refer to Ayman's article
https//www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/science/timing.htm

Noon_waalqalami

The longest daytime is familiar to us all.

When we observe the longest daytime,
we know that soon afterwards the scorching ful moon (shahr ramadan) will rise

peace, it depends on which hemisphere north/south therefore it's mirrored see prior post.

owlwithbow

Peace owlwithbow.

The longest daytime is familiar to us all.

When we observe the longest daytime,
we know that soon afterwards the scorching ful moon (shahr ramadan) will rise,
which is the first forbidden full moon.

Please refer to Ayman's article
https//www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/science/timing.htm

It would be great if you explained it to me.

I can understand that we can observe when the longest daytime is. It's in summer somewhere, if i am correct. In winter we have the smallest daytime if i am correct.

But where does the Quran say that Ramadan begins when the longest day is at hand?

brook

It would be great if you explained it to me.

I can understand that we can observe when the longest daytime is. It's in summer somewhere, if i am correct. In winter we have the smallest daytime if i am correct.

But where does the Quran say that Ramadan begins when the longest day is at hand?

You must know that ramadan means hot,
so shahr ramadan is one of the hot full moons of hot summer.

Paragraph from Ayman's article

We also know that the whole context of chapter 9... is about fighting the idolaters who broke their treaty. A sign in verse 981 indicates that the time of a particularly big fight that the hypocrites were fearful from was a hot time of the year. Shortly afterwards, 986 talks about a chapter descending at that time and from 2185 we know that "shahr ramadhan" is when the great reading was descended so that provides an additional link between "shahr ramadhan" and "al-shahr al-haram". Hence, circumstantial evidence from the great reading supports that "al-shahr al-haram"/"shahr ramadhan" is a hot time of the year and confirms the dictionary's meaning.

owlwithbow

You must know that ramadan means hot,
so shahr ramadan is one of the hot full moons of hot summer.

Paragraph from Ayman's article

We also know that the whole context of chapter 9... is about fighting the idolaters who broke their treaty. A sign in verse 981 indicates that the time of a particularly big fight that the hypocrites were fearful from was a hot time of the year. Shortly afterwards, 986 talks about a chapter descending at that time and from 2185 we know that "shahr ramadhan" is when the great reading was descended so that provides an additional link between "shahr ramadhan" and "al-shahr al-haram". Hence, circumstantial evidence from the great reading supports that "al-shahr al-haram"/"shahr ramadhan" is a hot time of the year and confirms the dictionary's meaning.

I don't have much knowledge on this subject.

But what do you think about the calendar the majority uses now? Ramadan keeps coming in a different period of the time. Sometimes we fast in winter, and sometimes in summer.

brook

I don't have much knowledge on this subject.

But what do you think about the calendar the majority uses now? Ramadan keeps coming in a different period of the time. Sometimes we fast in winter, and sometimes in summer.

The calendar the majority uses now is based on the 365-day solar year
and that is what the word sanah (year) stands for in the Quran.

Ramadan keeps coming 11 days EARLIER than the former
because it is not real ramadan, it is false ramadan.
The real ramadan up in the sky comes 19 days LATER after the 13th full moon.

Times of 2018's full moons (https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2018&country=74)

---1-------2------3--------4--------5--------6--------7-------8-------9--------10------11------12-------13
2 Jan-31 Jan-2 Mar- 31 Mar-30 Apr-29 May-28 Jun-27 Jul-26 Aug-25 Sep-24 Oct-23 Nov- 22 Dec

It is obvious that 2019's first moon will come 19 days LATER than 2018's first moon
because 2018's 13th moon will delay it.

The false moons of the 12-moon lunar year
have been made up
by means of postponment ( in 937) ON PAPER of the 13th moon.

I say ON PAPER
because man has no call and no power to actually postpone it
as he cannot reach up to the sky and move it from where it is.

The real ramadan is fixed in its time in terms of season;
that is, it always comes in the beginning of hot summer.
That was probably why it was given the name shahr ramadan - scorching full moon.

Peace,
Hasan Akcay

owlwithbow