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Allah - Common Noun?

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    Noon_waalqalami
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    You did read the whole article right?

    yes and critique was him posting religious stuff on a jobs website.

    Really? How so?

    it has to do with inheritance perhaps research it or see below thread...

    Then why hearsay on inheritance is all over the place e.g. meaning of kalala -- have you looked into it?

    Abu Talha reported 'Umar b. al-Khattab (Allah be pleased with him) delivered a sermon on Friday and made a mention of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and he also made a mention of Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) and then said I do not leave behind me any problem more difficult than that of Kalala. I did not refer to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) more repeatedly than in case of the problem of Kalala, and he (the Holy Prophet) never showed more annoyance to me than in regard to this problem, so much so that he struck my chest with his fingers and said 'Umar, does the verse revealed in summer season, at the end of Sura al-Nisa' not suffice you? Hadrat 'Umar (then) said If I live I would give such verdict about (Kalala) that everyone would be able to decide whether he reads the Qur'an or he does not.

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      The_Sardar
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      yes and critique was him posting religious stuff on a jobs website.

      He also accuses this forum as well like making pork lawful even though they did not.

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        The_Sardar
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        yes and critique was him posting religious stuff on a jobs website.

        Actually he is anti religion. He said Islam is a anti religious system. Though i'm not a religious, i am trying to be a good muslim/submitted peacemaker. I'm not anti religious by the way.

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          The_Sardar
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          I noticed in the Birmingham Quran script, the word Allah is missing it's crown mark above it's head.

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            Noon_waalqalami
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            I noticed in the Birmingham Quran script, the word Allah is missing it's crown mark above it's head.

            peace, they're all written like that; it was the style at the time...

            The Birmingham Qur'an - University of Birmingham

            https//s10.postimg.org/3vvsdlvcp/Birmingham_Quran_ch19v91-ch20v13.jpg

            Quran Tubingen University Ma VI 165

            https//s10.postimg.org/scdy7tw0p/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch19v97-ch20v16.jpg

            Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305)

            https//s10.postimg.org/kv4qsl3wp/Ahlwardt_305_ch19v98-ch20v22.jpg

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              The_Sardar
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              Odd, i don't see it unless i have bad eyesight.

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                huruf
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                Odd, i don't see it unless i have bad eyesight.

                I think noon has marked with arrows in interrupted line in white and in the last with an interrupted line square in red.

                To me it looks like tremendous and courageous effort to go through that script, which does not look as awful as other old manuscripts, but still. It takes a lot of determination to follow and match the whole thing. Great work indeed.

                Salaam

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                  The_Sardar
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                  I think noon has marked with arrows in interrupted line in white and in the last with an interrupted line square in red.

                  To me it looks like tremendous and courageous effort to go through that script, which does not look as awful as other old manuscripts, but still. It takes a lot of determination to follow and match the whole thing. Great work indeed.

                  Salaam

                  Sadly my poor knowledge of the arabic language, i failed to understand his response. -[

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                    imrankhawaja
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                    peace, they're all written like that; it was the style at the time...

                    The Birmingham Qur'an - University of Birmingham

                    https//s10.postimg.org/3vvsdlvcp/Birmingham_Quran_ch19v91-ch20v13.jpg

                    Quran Tubingen University Ma VI 165

                    https//s10.postimg.org/scdy7tw0p/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch19v97-ch20v16.jpg

                    Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305)

                    https//s10.postimg.org/kv4qsl3wp/Ahlwardt_305_ch19v98-ch20v22.jpg

                    peace,

                    indeed beautiful work and wonderful effort by brother noon.

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                      The_Sardar
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                      peace,

                      indeed beautiful work and wonderful effort by brother noon.

                      No doubt his works are very good. By the way people think that word ''God'' is actually a name. I honestly don't think so. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not a name but title of divine.

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                        Cerberus
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                        I believe Allah and Tao mean the same.

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                          The_Sardar
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                          I believe Allah and Tao mean the same.

                          What does Tao mean? What language is Tao?

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                            Cerberus
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                            see here, it's originally chinese

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                              The_Sardar
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                              see here, it's originally chinese

                              I was merely asking from a linguistic perspective. Unless i misunderstood your answer.

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                                The_Sardar
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                                Salam everyone, This question involves Kashif's article in this forum

                                In the comments, one person (which i will not name for the sake of privacy of that person) questioned Kashif

                                The questioner

                                Brother Kashif, Salam. One point I could not make clear. If Allah is not illah (not to worship but to Serve), then why in Sura Naas he is telling Aauzu Be Rabbinnaas, Malikinnaas, ILAHINNAAS?

                                Kashif's response

                                I will reiterate to study my articles before raising any question. We don't read the Quran with our own eyes but blindly follow "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" in which instead to understand the Quran at the spot where it is being explained something, we instantly jump to the other verses of the same words ignoring their contexts. This is same as if we move our finger along the lines and read "Bismillah" on all Quranic words instead of pronouncing them. Hence, "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" was given by anti-Quran Manichean polytheist pagans to balance their lies what they have invented in the fake translations. I still did not write on Surah Al Naas which I will soon Insha Allah but according to their grammatical formations the phrases " " (Bi Rabbin Naas), " " (Malik An Naas) and " " (Ilahi aannas) are coming in three consecutive independent verses without conjunction "" (wao), Which means that this Surah Al Naas is talking about three different things "" (Sustainer), "" (Ruler or King) and "" (deity) are obsessed by people (&#1616 to get protection (&#1615 against spark of their obsessed fear.

                                What do you think brothers & sisters of mankind?

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                                  Salam everyone, This question involves Kashif's article in this forum

                                  In the comments, one person (which i will not name for the sake of privacy of that person) questioned Kashif

                                  The questioner

                                  Kashif's response

                                  What do you think brothers & sisters of mankind?

                                  Salaam Sardar

                                  Please reflect
                                  (

                                  Red part "then seek refuge with Allah"
                                  Blue part "from shaitan"

                                  (&#65279 (&#65279 (&#65279 (

                                  Red part "I seek refuge with rabunnaas"
                                  Blue part "from evil.."

                                  Grammatically "bi" is harf-e-jar which gives a kasra to Rabb. same "bi" continue to give kasra to and in the next ayats. and are attributes to in surah 114.

                                  We are not asked to seek refuge from three different entities but to seek refuge with rabunnas who is malikunnas and ilahunas, from the evil of the whispering of al-khannas.

                                  So I don't know what Kashif is upto.

                                  Regarding tasreef ul ayat we find in the Quran that Allah has used tasreef ul ayat to explain us the Quran.

                                  (64619) nuarrifu We explain
                                  (66524) nuarrifu We explain
                                  (61052) nuarrifu We explain
                                  (75814) nuarrifu We explain
                                  (17412) arrafn We have explained
                                  (17892) arrafn We have explained
                                  (18542) arrafn We have explained
                                  (201135) waarrafn and We have explained
                                  (25502) arrafnhu We have distributed it
                                  (46277) waarrafn and We have diversified

                                  So Quran explain itself by tasreef ul ayat.

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                                    The_Sardar
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                                    Salaam Sardar

                                    Please reflect
                                    (

                                    Red part "then seek refuge with Allah"
                                    Blue part "from shaitan"

                                    (&#65279 (&#65279 (&#65279 (

                                    Red part "I seek refuge with rabunnaas"
                                    Blue part "from evil.."

                                    Grammatically "bi" is harf-e-jar which gives a kasra to Rabb. same "bi" continue to give kasra to and in the next ayats. and are attributes to in surah 114.

                                    We are not asked to seek refuge from three different entities but to seek refuge with rabunnas who is malikunnas and ilahunas, from the evil of the whispering of al-khannas.

                                    So I don't know what Kashif is upto.

                                    Regarding tasreef ul ayat we find in the Quran that Allah has used tasreef ul ayat to explain us the Quran.

                                    (64619) nuarrifu We explain
                                    (66524) nuarrifu We explain
                                    (61052) nuarrifu We explain
                                    (75814) nuarrifu We explain
                                    (17412) arrafn We have explained
                                    (17892) arrafn We have explained
                                    (18542) arrafn We have explained
                                    (201135) waarrafn and We have explained
                                    (25502) arrafnhu We have distributed it
                                    (46277) waarrafn and We have diversified

                                    So Quran explain itself by tasreef ul ayat.

                                    Bold What is Tasreef ul Ayat?

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                                      huruf
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                                      Kashif's suggestion that as it is, without a "wa",we are in front of three different entities but that if there were a "wa" before malikinnass and ilahinnas t hat it would would be the same entity dumbfounds me.

                                      For there to be three different entitities we should seek refuge with, I feel that there should be a repetion of the "bi" and a wa, that is, "wa bi rabinnas wa bi malikannas".

                                      Salaam

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                                        The_Sardar
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                                        Kashif's suggestion that as it is, without a "wa",we are in front of three different entities but that if there were a "wa" before malikinnass and ilahinnas t hat it would would be the same entity dumbfounds me.

                                        For there to be three different entitities we should seek refuge with, I feel that there should be a repetion of the "bi" and a wa, that is, "wa bi rabinnas wa bi malikannas".

                                        Salaam

                                        Um.....what does that mean?

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                                          Bold What is Tasreef ul Ayat?

                                          As per following quote of Kashif, in your reply # 47 red part is "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" Did you ask Kashif what it means or you did not read and understan his article before posting it?

                                          "I will reiterate to study my articles before raising any question. We don't read the Quran with our own eyes but blindly follow "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" in which instead to understand the Quran at the spot where it is being explained something, we instantly jump to the other verses of the same words ignoring their contexts. This is same as if we move our finger along the lines and read "Bismillah" on all Quranic words instead of pronouncing them. Hence, "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" was given by anti-Quran Manichean polytheist pagans to balance their lies what they have invented in the fake translations. I still did not write on Surah Al Naas which I will soon Insha Allah but according to their grammatical formations the phrases " " (Bi Rabbin Naas), " " (Malik An Naas) and " " (Ilahi aannas) are coming in three consecutive independent verses without conjunction "" (wao), Which means that this Surah Al Naas is talking about three different things "" (Sustainer), "" (Ruler or King) and "" (deity) are obsessed by people (&#1616 to get protection (&#1615 against spark of their obsessed fear."

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