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Allah - Common Noun?

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  • The_SardarT Offline
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    The_Sardar
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    Brother Noon are you a native arabic speaker?

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      Salam Noon sorry if i am disturbing you but what do you think of this article?

      https//www.linkedin.com/pulse/allah-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%81-falsely-derived-from-root-word-idol-deities-dr-kashif-khan/?trk=mp-reader-card

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        Salam Noon sorry if i am disturbing you but what do you think of this article?

        https//www.linkedin.com/pulse/allah-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%81-falsely-derived-from-root-word-idol-deities-dr-kashif-khan/?trk=mp-reader-card

        ANSWER

        Your first Question ?The word ?allah? is not a proper noun? It is al=the, lah=god. True or false? ?

        It is true that the word Allah is not a proper noun to mean a personal name of God, but a title of God. More correctly Allah is the title of God in Arabic language.

        peace, he should've stopped there instead of long rant which btw idiotic posting on LinkedIn.

        Thank you so much Noon.

        I have two last questions

        you're welcome!

        1. stay away and not propagate bible-thumper nonsense
        2. afterlife is analogous to this life; need to wait and see

        701 ask questioner in punishment befalls
        702 for the rejecters not is for it any preventer
        703 from the god owner the stairways
        704 they ascend the angels and the spirit toward him in day be measure its fifty thousand sanat
        705 so patience patience of beautiful of
        706 indeed they see it distant of
        707 and we see it near of

        The link is in german. Do you have a english version?

        no.

        Brother Noon are you a native arabic speaker?

        no (i know little) there are 100 million words lol
        she has clear voice learn < 30 minutes laugh
        https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0psf0FHhf8

        likewise there are words in Qur'an e.g. kalala which all native speakers are clueless.

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          you're welcome!

          1. stay away and not propagate bible-thumper nonsense
          2. afterlife is analogous to this life; need to wait and see

          (1) Some gnostics say it's connected to the female gentalia but i'm bit lost about that. If it was then the Quran would mentioned it these verses i have shown you.

          (2) "afterlife is analogous to this life; need to wait and see" By that i think you mean wait until your time in this material life ends you shall receive your answer which is understandable. I do acknowledge Al-Akhirat/The Hereafter/Afterlife.

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            likewise there are words in Qur'an e.g. kalala which all native speakers are clueless.

            Really? How so?

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              The_Sardar
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              ANSWER

              Your first Question ?The word ?allah? is not a proper noun? It is al=the, lah=god. True or false? ?

              It is true that the word Allah is not a proper noun to mean a personal name of God, but a title of God. More correctly Allah is the title of God in Arabic language.

              peace, he should've stopped there instead of long rant which btw idiotic posting on LinkedIn.

              You did read the whole article right? Because it wouldn't be fair if you criticize the article if you haven't read it fully. Not being rude by the way just pointing it out. Salam/Peace dear brother.

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                Noon_waalqalami
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                You did read the whole article right?

                yes and critique was him posting religious stuff on a jobs website.

                Really? How so?

                it has to do with inheritance perhaps research it or see below thread...

                Then why hearsay on inheritance is all over the place e.g. meaning of kalala -- have you looked into it?

                Abu Talha reported 'Umar b. al-Khattab (Allah be pleased with him) delivered a sermon on Friday and made a mention of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and he also made a mention of Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) and then said I do not leave behind me any problem more difficult than that of Kalala. I did not refer to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) more repeatedly than in case of the problem of Kalala, and he (the Holy Prophet) never showed more annoyance to me than in regard to this problem, so much so that he struck my chest with his fingers and said 'Umar, does the verse revealed in summer season, at the end of Sura al-Nisa' not suffice you? Hadrat 'Umar (then) said If I live I would give such verdict about (Kalala) that everyone would be able to decide whether he reads the Qur'an or he does not.

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                  yes and critique was him posting religious stuff on a jobs website.

                  He also accuses this forum as well like making pork lawful even though they did not.

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                    yes and critique was him posting religious stuff on a jobs website.

                    Actually he is anti religion. He said Islam is a anti religious system. Though i'm not a religious, i am trying to be a good muslim/submitted peacemaker. I'm not anti religious by the way.

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                      I noticed in the Birmingham Quran script, the word Allah is missing it's crown mark above it's head.

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                        I noticed in the Birmingham Quran script, the word Allah is missing it's crown mark above it's head.

                        peace, they're all written like that; it was the style at the time...

                        The Birmingham Qur'an - University of Birmingham

                        https//s10.postimg.org/3vvsdlvcp/Birmingham_Quran_ch19v91-ch20v13.jpg

                        Quran Tubingen University Ma VI 165

                        https//s10.postimg.org/scdy7tw0p/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch19v97-ch20v16.jpg

                        Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305)

                        https//s10.postimg.org/kv4qsl3wp/Ahlwardt_305_ch19v98-ch20v22.jpg

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                          Odd, i don't see it unless i have bad eyesight.

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                            huruf
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                            Odd, i don't see it unless i have bad eyesight.

                            I think noon has marked with arrows in interrupted line in white and in the last with an interrupted line square in red.

                            To me it looks like tremendous and courageous effort to go through that script, which does not look as awful as other old manuscripts, but still. It takes a lot of determination to follow and match the whole thing. Great work indeed.

                            Salaam

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                              I think noon has marked with arrows in interrupted line in white and in the last with an interrupted line square in red.

                              To me it looks like tremendous and courageous effort to go through that script, which does not look as awful as other old manuscripts, but still. It takes a lot of determination to follow and match the whole thing. Great work indeed.

                              Salaam

                              Sadly my poor knowledge of the arabic language, i failed to understand his response. -[

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                                peace, they're all written like that; it was the style at the time...

                                The Birmingham Qur'an - University of Birmingham

                                https//s10.postimg.org/3vvsdlvcp/Birmingham_Quran_ch19v91-ch20v13.jpg

                                Quran Tubingen University Ma VI 165

                                https//s10.postimg.org/scdy7tw0p/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch19v97-ch20v16.jpg

                                Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305)

                                https//s10.postimg.org/kv4qsl3wp/Ahlwardt_305_ch19v98-ch20v22.jpg

                                peace,

                                indeed beautiful work and wonderful effort by brother noon.

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                                  peace,

                                  indeed beautiful work and wonderful effort by brother noon.

                                  No doubt his works are very good. By the way people think that word ''God'' is actually a name. I honestly don't think so. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not a name but title of divine.

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                                    Cerberus
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                                    I believe Allah and Tao mean the same.

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                                      I believe Allah and Tao mean the same.

                                      What does Tao mean? What language is Tao?

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                                        Cerberus
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                                        see here, it's originally chinese

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                                          see here, it's originally chinese

                                          I was merely asking from a linguistic perspective. Unless i misunderstood your answer.

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