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Allah - Common Noun?

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  • The_SardarT Offline
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    The_Sardar
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    You must have high interest on ancient manuscripts of Al-Quran.

    Tell me dear brother Noon, when the manuscript of Birmingham was discovered, how did it effect your research of Al-Quran?

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      Noon_waalqalami
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      Tell me dear brother Noon, when the manuscript of Birmingham was discovered, how did it effect your research of Al-Quran?

      peace sardar, it's oldest dated confirms initials not counted as separate verses.

      likewise confirmation that the Quran was preserved by the pen not by hearsay.

      https//s7.postimg.org/hnubyng97/Birmingham_Quran_ch19v91-ch20v13.jpg

      likewise with Quran Ma VI 165 in T?bingen University Library
      http//idb.ub.uni-tuebingen.de/diglit/MaVI165

      https//s10.postimg.org/82uouwhcp/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch19v97-ch20v16.jpg

      likewise Quran in Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 Ahlwardt 305
      http//digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN618539204&PHYSID=PHYS_0005&DMDID=&view=overview-tiles

      https//s10.postimg.org/4pmg8m3bt/Ahlwardt_305_ch20v0-22.jpg

      https//s10.postimg.org/yqh3dqq2x/Ahlwardt_305_ch67v25-ch68v0-21.jpg

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      • The_SardarT Offline
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        The_Sardar
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        peace sardar, it's oldest dated confirms initials not counted as separate verses.

        likewise confirmation that the Quran was preserved by the pen not by hearsay.

        That is so true. There is are few verses that says Al-Quran is preserved by honorable people but i don't remember the verses? Could you help me out?

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          Noon_waalqalami
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          That is so true. There is are few verses that says Al-Quran is preserved by honorable people but i don't remember the verses? Could you help me out?

          http//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/80/vers/15?handschrift=56

          8011 nay indeed it reminder
          8012 so who wills heeds it
          8013 in scrolls honorable
          8014 exalted pure
          8015 by hands scribes
          8016 noble dutiful

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          • The_SardarT Offline
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            The_Sardar
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            http//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/80/vers/15?handschrift=56

            8011 nay indeed it reminder
            8012 so who wills heeds it
            8013 in scrolls honorable
            8014 exalted pure
            8015 by hands scribes
            8016 noble dutiful

            Thank you so much Noon.

            I have two last questions

            1 Have you encountered some people saying that the word God is a pagan word or connected to female gentalia? (They use the bible if i recall correctly)

            2 What is your research on Al-Akhirat? (The Hereafter/Afterlife)

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              The_Sardar
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              http//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/80/vers/15?handschrift=56

              The link is in german. Do you have a english version?

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                The_Sardar
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                Brother Noon are you a native arabic speaker?

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                  The_Sardar
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                  Salam Noon sorry if i am disturbing you but what do you think of this article?

                  https//www.linkedin.com/pulse/allah-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%81-falsely-derived-from-root-word-idol-deities-dr-kashif-khan/?trk=mp-reader-card

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                    Salam Noon sorry if i am disturbing you but what do you think of this article?

                    https//www.linkedin.com/pulse/allah-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%81-falsely-derived-from-root-word-idol-deities-dr-kashif-khan/?trk=mp-reader-card

                    ANSWER

                    Your first Question ?The word ?allah? is not a proper noun? It is al=the, lah=god. True or false? ?

                    It is true that the word Allah is not a proper noun to mean a personal name of God, but a title of God. More correctly Allah is the title of God in Arabic language.

                    peace, he should've stopped there instead of long rant which btw idiotic posting on LinkedIn.

                    Thank you so much Noon.

                    I have two last questions

                    you're welcome!

                    1. stay away and not propagate bible-thumper nonsense
                    2. afterlife is analogous to this life; need to wait and see

                    701 ask questioner in punishment befalls
                    702 for the rejecters not is for it any preventer
                    703 from the god owner the stairways
                    704 they ascend the angels and the spirit toward him in day be measure its fifty thousand sanat
                    705 so patience patience of beautiful of
                    706 indeed they see it distant of
                    707 and we see it near of

                    The link is in german. Do you have a english version?

                    no.

                    Brother Noon are you a native arabic speaker?

                    no (i know little) there are 100 million words lol
                    she has clear voice learn < 30 minutes laugh
                    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0psf0FHhf8

                    likewise there are words in Qur'an e.g. kalala which all native speakers are clueless.

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                      you're welcome!

                      1. stay away and not propagate bible-thumper nonsense
                      2. afterlife is analogous to this life; need to wait and see

                      (1) Some gnostics say it's connected to the female gentalia but i'm bit lost about that. If it was then the Quran would mentioned it these verses i have shown you.

                      (2) "afterlife is analogous to this life; need to wait and see" By that i think you mean wait until your time in this material life ends you shall receive your answer which is understandable. I do acknowledge Al-Akhirat/The Hereafter/Afterlife.

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                        The_Sardar
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                        likewise there are words in Qur'an e.g. kalala which all native speakers are clueless.

                        Really? How so?

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                          The_Sardar
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                          ANSWER

                          Your first Question ?The word ?allah? is not a proper noun? It is al=the, lah=god. True or false? ?

                          It is true that the word Allah is not a proper noun to mean a personal name of God, but a title of God. More correctly Allah is the title of God in Arabic language.

                          peace, he should've stopped there instead of long rant which btw idiotic posting on LinkedIn.

                          You did read the whole article right? Because it wouldn't be fair if you criticize the article if you haven't read it fully. Not being rude by the way just pointing it out. Salam/Peace dear brother.

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                            Noon_waalqalami
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                            You did read the whole article right?

                            yes and critique was him posting religious stuff on a jobs website.

                            Really? How so?

                            it has to do with inheritance perhaps research it or see below thread...

                            Then why hearsay on inheritance is all over the place e.g. meaning of kalala -- have you looked into it?

                            Abu Talha reported 'Umar b. al-Khattab (Allah be pleased with him) delivered a sermon on Friday and made a mention of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and he also made a mention of Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) and then said I do not leave behind me any problem more difficult than that of Kalala. I did not refer to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) more repeatedly than in case of the problem of Kalala, and he (the Holy Prophet) never showed more annoyance to me than in regard to this problem, so much so that he struck my chest with his fingers and said 'Umar, does the verse revealed in summer season, at the end of Sura al-Nisa' not suffice you? Hadrat 'Umar (then) said If I live I would give such verdict about (Kalala) that everyone would be able to decide whether he reads the Qur'an or he does not.

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                              yes and critique was him posting religious stuff on a jobs website.

                              He also accuses this forum as well like making pork lawful even though they did not.

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                                The_Sardar
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                                yes and critique was him posting religious stuff on a jobs website.

                                Actually he is anti religion. He said Islam is a anti religious system. Though i'm not a religious, i am trying to be a good muslim/submitted peacemaker. I'm not anti religious by the way.

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                                  I noticed in the Birmingham Quran script, the word Allah is missing it's crown mark above it's head.

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                                    I noticed in the Birmingham Quran script, the word Allah is missing it's crown mark above it's head.

                                    peace, they're all written like that; it was the style at the time...

                                    The Birmingham Qur'an - University of Birmingham

                                    https//s10.postimg.org/3vvsdlvcp/Birmingham_Quran_ch19v91-ch20v13.jpg

                                    Quran Tubingen University Ma VI 165

                                    https//s10.postimg.org/scdy7tw0p/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch19v97-ch20v16.jpg

                                    Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305)

                                    https//s10.postimg.org/kv4qsl3wp/Ahlwardt_305_ch19v98-ch20v22.jpg

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                                      Odd, i don't see it unless i have bad eyesight.

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                                        Odd, i don't see it unless i have bad eyesight.

                                        I think noon has marked with arrows in interrupted line in white and in the last with an interrupted line square in red.

                                        To me it looks like tremendous and courageous effort to go through that script, which does not look as awful as other old manuscripts, but still. It takes a lot of determination to follow and match the whole thing. Great work indeed.

                                        Salaam

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                                          I think noon has marked with arrows in interrupted line in white and in the last with an interrupted line square in red.

                                          To me it looks like tremendous and courageous effort to go through that script, which does not look as awful as other old manuscripts, but still. It takes a lot of determination to follow and match the whole thing. Great work indeed.

                                          Salaam

                                          Sadly my poor knowledge of the arabic language, i failed to understand his response. -[

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