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Allah - Common Noun?

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  • The_SardarT Offline
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    whereas definition the one and only deity is clear

    There are these verses that support that

    Wahuwa allathee fee alssama-iilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemualAAaleemu
    4384 He is the One who is a god in the heaven and a god on earth. He is the Wise, the Knowledgeable.

    Qul innama yooha ilayya annamailahukum ilahun wahidun fahal antummuslimoona
    21108 Say"It is inspired to me that your god is but One god, so will you submit to Him?"

    Innama ilahukumu Allahuallathee la ilaha illa huwa wasiAAakulla shay-in AAilman
    2098 Your god is God; whom there is no god but He. His knowledge encompasses all things.

    Waqala Allahu latattakhithoo ilahayni ithnayni innama huwailahun wahidun fa-iyyaya fairhabooni
    1651 And God said "Do not take two gods, there is only One god, so it is Me that you shall reverence."

    Qul ayyu shay-in akbaru shahadatanquli Allahu shaheedun baynee wabaynakum waoohiyailayya hatha alqur-anu li-onthirakum bihiwaman balagha a-innakum latashhadoona anna maAAa Allahi alihatanokhra qul la ashhadu qul innama huwa ilahunwahidun wa-innanee baree-on mimma tushrikoona
    619 Say "Which is the greatest testimony?" Say "God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Qur'an that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches, that you are bearing witness that with God are other gods!" Say "I do not bear witness!" Say "He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you have set up!"
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    Ya ahla alkitabi lataghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahiilla alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesaibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqahaila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahiwarusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahookhayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidunsubhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahiwakeelan
    O people of the Book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of God and the fulfillment of His word to Mary and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and the earth; and God is enough as a Caretaker.
    1452
    Hatha balaghun lilnnasiwaliyuntharoo bihi waliyaAAlamoo annama huwa ilahunwahidun waliyaththakkara oloo al-albabi
    This is a proclamation for the people and so that they are warned with it, and so that they know that there is but One god, and so that those who possess intelligence will remember.

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    • The_SardarT Offline
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      You must have high interest on ancient manuscripts of Al-Quran. )

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        You must have high interest on ancient manuscripts of Al-Quran.

        Tell me dear brother Noon, when the manuscript of Birmingham was discovered, how did it effect your research of Al-Quran?

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          Noon_waalqalami
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          Tell me dear brother Noon, when the manuscript of Birmingham was discovered, how did it effect your research of Al-Quran?

          peace sardar, it's oldest dated confirms initials not counted as separate verses.

          likewise confirmation that the Quran was preserved by the pen not by hearsay.

          https//s7.postimg.org/hnubyng97/Birmingham_Quran_ch19v91-ch20v13.jpg

          likewise with Quran Ma VI 165 in T?bingen University Library
          http//idb.ub.uni-tuebingen.de/diglit/MaVI165

          https//s10.postimg.org/82uouwhcp/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch19v97-ch20v16.jpg

          likewise Quran in Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 Ahlwardt 305
          http//digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN618539204&PHYSID=PHYS_0005&DMDID=&view=overview-tiles

          https//s10.postimg.org/4pmg8m3bt/Ahlwardt_305_ch20v0-22.jpg

          https//s10.postimg.org/yqh3dqq2x/Ahlwardt_305_ch67v25-ch68v0-21.jpg

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          • The_SardarT Offline
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            peace sardar, it's oldest dated confirms initials not counted as separate verses.

            likewise confirmation that the Quran was preserved by the pen not by hearsay.

            That is so true. There is are few verses that says Al-Quran is preserved by honorable people but i don't remember the verses? Could you help me out?

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              Noon_waalqalami
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              That is so true. There is are few verses that says Al-Quran is preserved by honorable people but i don't remember the verses? Could you help me out?

              http//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/80/vers/15?handschrift=56

              8011 nay indeed it reminder
              8012 so who wills heeds it
              8013 in scrolls honorable
              8014 exalted pure
              8015 by hands scribes
              8016 noble dutiful

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                http//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/80/vers/15?handschrift=56

                8011 nay indeed it reminder
                8012 so who wills heeds it
                8013 in scrolls honorable
                8014 exalted pure
                8015 by hands scribes
                8016 noble dutiful

                Thank you so much Noon.

                I have two last questions

                1 Have you encountered some people saying that the word God is a pagan word or connected to female gentalia? (They use the bible if i recall correctly)

                2 What is your research on Al-Akhirat? (The Hereafter/Afterlife)

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                  http//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/80/vers/15?handschrift=56

                  The link is in german. Do you have a english version?

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                    Brother Noon are you a native arabic speaker?

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                      Salam Noon sorry if i am disturbing you but what do you think of this article?

                      https//www.linkedin.com/pulse/allah-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%81-falsely-derived-from-root-word-idol-deities-dr-kashif-khan/?trk=mp-reader-card

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                        Salam Noon sorry if i am disturbing you but what do you think of this article?

                        https//www.linkedin.com/pulse/allah-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%81-falsely-derived-from-root-word-idol-deities-dr-kashif-khan/?trk=mp-reader-card

                        ANSWER

                        Your first Question ?The word ?allah? is not a proper noun? It is al=the, lah=god. True or false? ?

                        It is true that the word Allah is not a proper noun to mean a personal name of God, but a title of God. More correctly Allah is the title of God in Arabic language.

                        peace, he should've stopped there instead of long rant which btw idiotic posting on LinkedIn.

                        Thank you so much Noon.

                        I have two last questions

                        you're welcome!

                        1. stay away and not propagate bible-thumper nonsense
                        2. afterlife is analogous to this life; need to wait and see

                        701 ask questioner in punishment befalls
                        702 for the rejecters not is for it any preventer
                        703 from the god owner the stairways
                        704 they ascend the angels and the spirit toward him in day be measure its fifty thousand sanat
                        705 so patience patience of beautiful of
                        706 indeed they see it distant of
                        707 and we see it near of

                        The link is in german. Do you have a english version?

                        no.

                        Brother Noon are you a native arabic speaker?

                        no (i know little) there are 100 million words lol
                        she has clear voice learn < 30 minutes laugh
                        https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0psf0FHhf8

                        likewise there are words in Qur'an e.g. kalala which all native speakers are clueless.

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                          you're welcome!

                          1. stay away and not propagate bible-thumper nonsense
                          2. afterlife is analogous to this life; need to wait and see

                          (1) Some gnostics say it's connected to the female gentalia but i'm bit lost about that. If it was then the Quran would mentioned it these verses i have shown you.

                          (2) "afterlife is analogous to this life; need to wait and see" By that i think you mean wait until your time in this material life ends you shall receive your answer which is understandable. I do acknowledge Al-Akhirat/The Hereafter/Afterlife.

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                            likewise there are words in Qur'an e.g. kalala which all native speakers are clueless.

                            Really? How so?

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                              The_Sardar
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                              ANSWER

                              Your first Question ?The word ?allah? is not a proper noun? It is al=the, lah=god. True or false? ?

                              It is true that the word Allah is not a proper noun to mean a personal name of God, but a title of God. More correctly Allah is the title of God in Arabic language.

                              peace, he should've stopped there instead of long rant which btw idiotic posting on LinkedIn.

                              You did read the whole article right? Because it wouldn't be fair if you criticize the article if you haven't read it fully. Not being rude by the way just pointing it out. Salam/Peace dear brother.

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                                You did read the whole article right?

                                yes and critique was him posting religious stuff on a jobs website.

                                Really? How so?

                                it has to do with inheritance perhaps research it or see below thread...

                                Then why hearsay on inheritance is all over the place e.g. meaning of kalala -- have you looked into it?

                                Abu Talha reported 'Umar b. al-Khattab (Allah be pleased with him) delivered a sermon on Friday and made a mention of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and he also made a mention of Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) and then said I do not leave behind me any problem more difficult than that of Kalala. I did not refer to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) more repeatedly than in case of the problem of Kalala, and he (the Holy Prophet) never showed more annoyance to me than in regard to this problem, so much so that he struck my chest with his fingers and said 'Umar, does the verse revealed in summer season, at the end of Sura al-Nisa' not suffice you? Hadrat 'Umar (then) said If I live I would give such verdict about (Kalala) that everyone would be able to decide whether he reads the Qur'an or he does not.

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                                  yes and critique was him posting religious stuff on a jobs website.

                                  He also accuses this forum as well like making pork lawful even though they did not.

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                                    yes and critique was him posting religious stuff on a jobs website.

                                    Actually he is anti religion. He said Islam is a anti religious system. Though i'm not a religious, i am trying to be a good muslim/submitted peacemaker. I'm not anti religious by the way.

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                                      I noticed in the Birmingham Quran script, the word Allah is missing it's crown mark above it's head.

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                                        I noticed in the Birmingham Quran script, the word Allah is missing it's crown mark above it's head.

                                        peace, they're all written like that; it was the style at the time...

                                        The Birmingham Qur'an - University of Birmingham

                                        https//s10.postimg.org/3vvsdlvcp/Birmingham_Quran_ch19v91-ch20v13.jpg

                                        Quran Tubingen University Ma VI 165

                                        https//s10.postimg.org/scdy7tw0p/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch19v97-ch20v16.jpg

                                        Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305)

                                        https//s10.postimg.org/kv4qsl3wp/Ahlwardt_305_ch19v98-ch20v22.jpg

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                                          Odd, i don't see it unless i have bad eyesight.

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