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Can we translate "As-Salat" as "Social Justice"?

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    Novice
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    The concepts of "Creator" and "Creation" are totally separated, but there is one interesting thing that may resemble your concept the Ruh!
    God has breathed into every human being His Ruh.

    "When I have formed him, and breathed into him of MY SPIRIT, fall down prostrating before him."
    (1519)

    They aya is 1529

    You have translated "roohi" as my spirit. "RUH" is not spirit but knowledge and consciousness. The Quran uses the word "NAFS" which is translated in English as spirit or soul.

    "And they ask you about the Spirit RUH. Say, 'The Spirit belongs to the domain of RUH IS FROM MY RUB'S COMMAND; and you were given only LITTLE KNOWLEDGE.'"
    (1785)
    And this verse explains why science doesn't know why are we coscious.

    (&#65279 (

    ....and if we wished we would have taken away what we revealed to you.....

    Salaam

    Novice

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      IsaMuslim
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      With Spirit indeed I mean the part of us that is conscious, while with Soul or Nafs I mean the part of us that is responsible of our acting, our Self or Ego, the part of us that makes decisions based on desires, instinct, and knowledge stored in the phyisical brain.
      If you mean that without God existing, we wouldn't exist, then that is true, because He is the Originator. But if you say that we are a part of him, then this is indeed something wrong in my opinion. We are slaves of him, as all the things in nature are, because this world is His world, and so our bodies are.
      If instead you mean that our Spirit/Consciousness (Ruh) is somehow linked to that of God, then you are right, the Quran in facts says that He breathed a Ruh of Him into us after the embryon develops, not that He created a Ruh for each of us.
      The Quran often repeats that Allah, or God, does not need any worship from us and that is our need and benefit to serve Him, this in my opinion means that by observing Salat, Zakat, and doing good deeds without asking for any payment is like a nourishment and healing for our Selves (Nafs), because this makes us more aware of our Ruh, thus closer to God.

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        With Spirit indeed I mean the part of us that is conscious, while with Soul or Nafs I mean the part of us that is responsible of our acting, our Self or Ego, the part of us that makes decisions based on desires, instinct, and knowledge stored in the phyisical brain.
        If you mean that without God existing, we wouldn't exist, then that is true, because He is the Originator. But if you say that we are a part of him, then this is indeed something wrong in my opinion. We are slaves of him, as all the things in nature are, because this world is His world, and so our bodies are.
        If instead you mean that our Spirit/Consciousness (Ruh) is somehow linked to that of God, then you are right, the Quran in facts says that He breathed a Ruh of Him into us after the embryon develops, not that He created a Ruh for each of us.
        The Quran often repeats that Allah, or God, does not need any worship from us and that is our need and benefit to serve Him, this in my opinion means that by observing Salat, Zakat, and doing good deeds without asking for any payment is like a nourishment and healing for our Selves (Nafs), because this makes us more aware of our Ruh, thus closer to God.

        Red That is not exactly correct dear brother, we are more servants because in these verses talks about freeing slaves. (9010-14, 2177, 960)

        You can see an article by brother Wakas http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/islam-quran-abolish-slavery.htm

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          hawk99
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          Salam Brothers and Sisters!

          Can we translate "As-Salat" as 'Social Justice - according to Quran's Guidance/Laws'
          and translate "Az-Zakat" as 'Distribution of Wealth/Resources - according to Quran's Guidance/Laws'
          Please share your views. Thanks!

          Note I am not talking about the terms Social Justice and Distribution of Wealth used in Marxism

          Peace!

          uh-no and uh-no handshake

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            The_Sardar
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            uh-no and uh-no handshake

            Salam brother Hawk99 here are the root words of Salat & Zakat for everyone to see

            Sad-Lam-Waw ( &#1608 = prayer, supplication, petition, oration, eulogy, benediction, commendation, blessing, honour, magnify, bring forth, follow closely, walk/follow behind closely, to remain attached.
            In a horse race when the second horse follows the first one so closely that its head always overlaps the first horse?s body that horse is called AL-MUSSALLI (i.e. the one who follows closely / remains attached).
            Central portion of the back, portion from where the tail of an animal comes out, the rump.

            musalla (&#1610 n. m. - 2125

            salat (&#1577 n. f. sing. - 23, 243, 245, 283, 2110, 2153, 2177, 2238, 2277, 443, 477, 4101, 4102, 4103, 4103, 4103, 4142, 4162, 56, 512, 555, 558, 591, 5106, 672, 692, 6162, 7170, 83, 835, 95, 911, 918, 954, 971, 9103, 1087, 1187, 11114, 1322, 1431, 1437, 1440, 1778, 17110, 1931, 1955, 1959, 2014, 20132, 2173, 2235, 2241, 2278, 232, 2437, 2441, 2456, 2458, 2458, 273, 2945, 2945, 3031, 314, 3117, 3333, 3518, 3529, 4238, 5813, 629, 6210, 7023, 7034, 7320, 985, 1075
            salawat (&#1578 nom. gen. n. plu. - 2157, 2238, 999, 2240, 239

            salla (&#1610 vb.II m.
            perf. act. 7531, 8715, 9610
            impf. act. 339, plu. neg. 4102, plu. 4102, tusalli (&#1604 neg. 984, yusallee (&#1610 sing. 3343, yusalloona (&#1606 plu. 3356
            salli (&#1604 impv. 9103, salloo (&#1575 plu. 3356, 1082
            musalleena (&#1606 pcple. act. plu. acc. gen. 7022, 7443, 1074

            LL, V4, p 444, 445 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=SLW

            Zay-Kaf-Waw ( &#1608 = it increased/augmented, it throve/grew well/flourished/prospered and produced fruit, it was/became pure, purification, goodness/righteousness, lead/enjoy a plentiful/easy/soft/delicate life, put into a good/right state/condition, alms, poor-rate/due

            Zakaa (prf. 3rd. p.m. sing) He was clean , pure
            Zakkaa (prf. 3rd. p.m. sing. II) He purified.
            Yuzakkii (imp. 3rd. p.m. sing. II) He purifies
            Tuzakkii (imp. 2nd. p.m. sing. II) Thou purifieth.
            Yuzakkuuna (imp. 3rd. p.m. plu. II.) They purify.
            Laa Tuzakkuu (prt. neg. n. plu.) Make no pretentions to the purity (of your souls); justify not; Do not praise (yourself to be pure and pious).
            Tazakka (prf. 3rd. p.m. sing. V) He purified himself.
            Yatazakkaa (imp. 3rd. p.m. sing. V) He purifies himself
            Yazzakka (imp. 3rd. p.m. sing. V.) Purify himself.
            Zakaat (n.) Purification; purity; poor tax; purifying alms
            Zakiyyan (act. pic. m. sing. acc.) Most pure
            Zakiyyatan (act. pic. f. sing) Pure; innocent.
            Azkaa (elative) The purest

            zaka vb. (I)
            perf. act. - 2421
            zakat n.f. - 243, 283, 2110, 2177, 2277, 477, 4162, 512, 555, 7156, 95, 911, 918, 971, 1881, 1913, 1931, 1955, 2173, 2241, 2278, 234, 2437, 2456, 273, 3039, 314, 3333, 417, 5813, 7320, 985
            zakiy n.m. (adj. comp. azka) - 2232, 1819, 1874, 1919, 2428, 2430

            zakka vb. (II)
            perf. act. - 919
            impf. act. - 2129, 2151, 2174, 377, 3164, 449, 449, 9103, 2421, 5332, 622

            tazakka vb, (V)
            perf. act. - 2076, 3518, 7918, 8714
            impf. act. - 3518, 803, 807, 9218

            Lane's Lexicon, Volume 3, pages 406, 407 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=zkw

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              hawk99
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              ) thank you brother The Sardar, I started to paste the exact same
              page as you and concluded that salat as 'Social Justice and "Az-Zakat" as
              'Distribution of Wealth/Resources was incorrect, therefore I concluded
              "uh-no and uh-no" what do you think?

              peace

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                The_Sardar
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                ) thank you brother The Sardar, I started to paste the exact same
                page as you and concluded that salat as 'Social Justice and "Az-Zakat" as
                'Distribution of Wealth/Resources was incorrect, therefore I concluded
                "uh-no and uh-no" what do you think?

                peace

                Salam/Peace paste what exactly?

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                  hawk99
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #24

                  Salam/Peace paste what exactly?

                  @ The Sardar, I copied the definitions of Sad-Lam-Waw and Zay-Kaf-Waw
                  from project root list but decided not to use them in my post!

                  Copy = gather information
                  paste = put in another place

                  peace

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                    IsaMuslim
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                    #25

                    Red That is not exactly correct dear brother, we are more servants because in these verses talks about freeing slaves. (9010-14, 2177, 960)

                    You can see an article by brother Wakas http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/islam-quran-abolish-slavery.htm

                    Salaam brother,
                    Of course it depends on your definitions of "servant" and "slave".

                    To me, whether we say that we are slaves of God, or servants of God, is the same; the concept of being slaves/servants to God ('Abd) is that we are dependant on Him, like a slave is dependant on his master.

                    The Quran of course is to abolish the literal slavery between humans.

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                      The_Sardar
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                      Salaam brother,
                      Of course it depends on your definitions of "servant" and "slave".

                      To me, whether we say that we are slaves of God, or servants of God, is the same; the concept of being slaves/servants to God ('Abd) is that we are dependant on Him, like a slave is dependant on his master.

                      The Quran of course is to abolish the literal slavery between humans.

                      I am not sure of being slaves of God would really fit us to be honest, He gave us an important advice to verify information (1736). Plus abolishing slavery but beings slaves to our beloved Creator would be hypocritical. Servant is more fitting because you are upholding the covenant of Allah (SWTAY). (http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/covenant-quran.html)

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                        amin
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                        Salam! Establish Love/Affection? It is good to ears but Why, How and with/for whom? Please elaborate.

                        So how do we show our grattitude to someone whom we are indebted?

                        By Salat some just say we connect to Him, but how? In many faiths including Islam, people bring in offerings and used to distribute to the needy, and in Quranic verses too Zakat/help comes mostly along with Salat .We are blessed and also in need of blessings and Salat i think is our expression in return to that blessings we get. God loves/bless us and naturally we should return the same. Salat to God could be the way we express our love and affection to Him. It can be in any way we think is opt. The rich by giving their excess wealth, a learned one could share their knowledge and each one serving what they are blessed with. I donot think Salaat ends up in a plain ritual but it creates a platform to volunteer ourselves to give back what we are blessed with.

                        When the Malaikah do Salat on the Prophet, then they are showing their favor/support to the prophet to spread his message and thats Allah's Salat too.

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