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    Surah 112 2

    The course needs to be repaired and directed to one, who doesnt engage in worship.

    Where did you get The course needs to be repaired and directed to one from? It says Allahu alssamadu ( &#1583 and alssamadu is in masculine noun not verb. Yes one of the meanings of ssamadu is repair but repair is a verb.

    Sad-Miim-Dal = to set up, erect a thing, adorn, wish, repair, strike. samad - chief, lord, eternal, one to whom obedience is rendered, one to whom recourse is had, one who is independent, everything goes back to him as its source.

    ssamadu (n. m. sing.) - 1122

    LL, V4, p 450, 451 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=SMd

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      Surah 112 3

      Neither he has introduced a new idea, nor he could.

      Yalid & yooladu doesn't mean idea, it means to beget or give birth

      Waw-Lam-Dal = to beget, give birth.

      Walada (prf. 3rd. p. m. sing.) he has begotten.
      Waladna (prf. 3rd. p. f. plu.) They (f.) gave birth.
      Wulida (pp. 3rd. p. m. sing.) He was born.
      Wulidtu (pp. 1st. p. sing.) I was born.
      Yalid (imp. 3rd. p. sing. juss.) He begets.
      Yaliduu (imp. 3rd. p. m. plu. acc.) They will beget.
      Alidu (imp. 1st. sing.) I will give birth, will bear a child.
      Yuulad (pip. 3rd. p. m. sing. juss.) He is begotten.
      Waladun (n.) Child; Offspring.
      Aulaad (plu.) Children.
      Waalidun (act. pic. m. sing.) Begotten, Real father.
      Waalidatun (act. pic. f. sing.) Mother.
      Waalidaan/Waalidain (act. pic. dual) Parents.
      Waalidai (act. pic. duel. f. d.) Parents.
      Wildaan (n. plu.) Youths; Children.
      Waliidun (act. 2nd. pic. m. sing.) Child.
      Mauluudun (pis. pic. m. sing. ) Begotten one; One who is born.

      walada vb. (1)
      perf. act. 37152, 582, 903
      impf. act. 1172, 7127, 1123
      perf. pass. 1915, 1933
      impf. pass. 1123
      pcple. act. (f. walidah, du. walidan) 283, 2180, 2215, 2233, 2233, 47, 47, 433, 436, 4135, 5110, 6151, 1441, 1723, 1914, 1932, 2719, 298, 3114, 3114, 3133, 3133, 4615, 4615, 4617, 7128, 903
      pcple. pass. 2233, 2233, 3133

      walad n.m. (pl. awlad) 2116, 2233, 2233, 2233, 2233, 310, 347, 3116, 411, 411, 411, 412, 412, 412, 412, 4171, 4176, 4176, 6101, 6137, 6140, 6151, 828, 955, 969, 985, 1068, 1221, 1731, 1764, 17111, 184, 1839, 1935, 1977, 1988, 1991, 1992, 2126, 2391, 252, 289, 3133, 3435, 3437, 394, 4381, 5720, 5817, 603, 6012, 639, 6414, 6415, 7121, 723

      walid n.m. (pl. wildan) 475, 498, 4127, 2618, 5617, 7317, 7619

      Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 220, 221, 222 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=wld

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        Surah 112 4

        There is no other ultimate reality in likeliness for him.

        Again where is the ultimate reality in the verse? Kufuwan (&#1575 means equal

        Kaf-Fa-Alif = To equal, compare.

        Kufuwan Equal, like comparable; corresponding.

        kufu n.m. 1124

        LL, V7, p 145, 146 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=kfa

        The arabic word for reality is alhaqqatu (&#1577 (691)

        Ha-Qaf-Qaf = To be suitable to the requirements of justice or wisdom or truth or right or reality or fact, to be just/proper/right/correct/true/fitting, to be authentic/genuine/sound/valid/substantial/real, also established/confirmed/binding/unavoidable/incumbent, to be manifest, without doubt or uncertainty, established as a fact, to be obligatory or due, have right or title or claim to a thing, deserve or merit a thing, most worthy, ascertain, to be sure or certain, to be true or verifiable or veritable, to be serious or earnest, dispute or litigate or contend with another, speak the truth, reveal/manifest/show a truth or right, to be proven true, pierce or penetrate.

        haqqa vb. (1)
        perf. act. 730, 1033, 1096, 1636, 1716, 2218, 2863, 3213, 367, 3731, 3814, 3919, 3971, 406, 4125, 4618, 5014
        impf. act. 3670
        perf. pass. 842, 845

        ahaqq n.m. (comp. adj. of haqq and haqiq) 2228, 2247, 5107, 681, 913, 962, 9108, 1035, 3337, 4826

        haqiq n.m. 7105

        haqq n.m. 226, 242, 242, 261, 271, 291, 2109, 2119, 2121, 2144, 2146, 2147, 2149, 2176, 2180, 2213, 2213, 2236, 2241, 2252, 2282, 2282, 33, 321, 360, 371, 371, 386, 3102, 3108, 3112, 3154, 3181, 4105, 4122, 4151, 4155, 4170, 4171, 527, 548, 548, 577, 583, 584, 5116, 65, 630, 657, 662, 666, 673, 691, 693, 6114, 6141, 6151, 78, 733, 743, 744, 744, 753, 789, 7105, 7118, 7146, 7159, 7169, 7181, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 832, 874, 929, 933, 948, 9111, 104, 105, 1023, 1030, 1032, 1032, 1035, 1035, 1035, 10;36, 1053, 1053, 1055, 1076, 1077, 1082, 1094, 10103, 10108, 1117, 1145, 1179, 11120, 1251, 12100, 131, 1314, 1317, 1319, 1419, 1422, 158, 1555, 1564, 1585, 163, 1638, 16;102, 1726, 1733, 1781, 17105, 17105, 1813, 1821, 1829, 1844, 1856, 1898, 1934, 20114, 2118, 2124, 2155, 2197, 21112, 226, 2240, 2254, 2262, 2274, 2278, 2341, 2362, 2370, 2370, 2371, 2390, 23116, 2425, 2425, 2449, 2526, 2533, 2668, 2779, 283, 2813, 2839, 2848, 2853, 2875, 2944, 2968, 308, 3038, 3047, 3060, 319, 3130, 3133, 323, 334, 3353, 346, 3423, 3426, 3443, 3448, 3449, 355, 3524, 3531, 3737, 3822, 3826, 3864, 3884, 3884, 392, 395, 3941, 3967, 3969, 3975, 405, 4020, 4025, 4055, 4075, 4077, 4078, 4115, 4153, 4217, 4218, 4224, 4242, 4329, 4330, 4378, 4378, 4386, 4439, 456, 4522, 4529, 4532, 463, 467, 4617, 4620, 4630, 4634, 472, 473, 4827, 4828, 505, 5019, 5042, 5119, 5123, 5328, 5695, 5716, 5727, 601, 619, 643, 6951, 7024, 7839, 1033

        haqqah n.f. 691, 692, 693

        ahaqqa vb. (4) impf. act. 87, 88, 1082, 4224

        istahaqqa vb. (10) perf. act. 5107, 5107

        Lane's Lexicon, Volume 2, page 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=7qq

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          Salam/Peace. By the way not accusing you of something bad.

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            Where did you get The course needs to be repaired and directed to one from? It says Allahu alssamadu ( &#1583 and alssamadu is in masculine noun not verb. Yes one of the meanings of ssamadu is repair but repair is a verb.

            Sad-Miim-Dal = to set up, erect a thing, adorn, wish, repair, strike. samad - chief, lord, eternal, one to whom obedience is rendered, one to whom recourse is had, one who is independent, everything goes back to him as its source.

            ssamadu (n. m. sing.) - 1122

            LL, V4, p 450, 451 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=SMd

            Lesson number # 1 in the language. Almost, all triliteral roots are verbs. Any derivative word from root must carry that verbal meanings? If it doesn't, take it with a pinch of salt try to figure out why?

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              Lesson number # 1 in the language. Almost, all triliteral roots are verbs. Any derivative word from root must carry that verbal meanings? If it doesn't, take it with a pinch of salt try to figure out why?

              Forgive me if i got this wrong but alssamadu is in masculine noun singular form. If it was a verbal noun it would have been umd (&#8206. I got this from Wikitonary by the way.

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                Forgive me if i got this wrong but alssamadu is in masculine noun singular form. If it was a verbal noun it would have been umd (&#8206. I got this from Wikitonary by the way.

                Seems you didn't pay any attention to the following in red.

                Lesson number # 1 in the language. Almost, all triliteral roots are verbs. Any derivative word from root must carry that verbal root meanings. If it doesn't, take it with a pinch of salt try to figure out why?

                One can discuss with which equivalent word of the Language that it is translated in to use. Furthermore, one can't understand the Quran until understands that real meanings of Allah is "one who doesn't engage in worship". Current traditional meanings of words in translation were chosen or invented to fit understanding of Allah as "one and only deity for worship". Hence, this meaning of Allah impedes ones mind from looking at any other root meanings of a given root.

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                  Current traditional meanings of words in translation were chosen or invented to fit understanding of Allah as "one and only deity for worship". Hence, this meaning of Allah impedes ones mind from looking at any other root meanings of a given root.

                  Deity for worship? I am sorry if i lost you but where is did you get Deity & Worship together?

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                    By the way i forgot to Allah is not a religious god. God doesn't require a religion.

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                      Deity for worship? I am sorry if i lost you but where is did you get Deity & Worship together?

                      Please share your understanding of word worship? Also what do you understand by word god?

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                        Please share your understanding of word worship? Also what do you understand by word god?

                        I don't exactly have a understanding of worship. If you are referring to the word ibadat then to me it's to serve or serving through good & righteous deeds. And as for word God i am very skeptical of the object of worship. I learned that the proto-indoeuropean root word of God has some dispute.

                        A brother/sister of ours (Aries) made a research of the word God
                        Check here

                        dh
                        Inner Light and Meditation

                        Once the Indo-Europeans had used the consonant d, symbol of light, to denote the divine (divya) and god (deva), they then used the d to mean to bear light within the human soul and they consequently formed the root dh to think in contemplation or contemplative thinking.

                        From dh came the word dhti devotion, prayer or meditation, which, in Latin, corresponds to the word fides faith

                        (Please, note that the development of indoeuropean dh > latin f is very common.

                        From "Comparative etymological Dictionary of classical Indo-European languages Indo-European - Sanskrit - Greek - Latin", Rendich Franco, p. 88 (2014)

                        From this, the root for Greek theos (&#962 and latin deus have been recognised

                        dyeu-

                        To shine (and in many derivatives, "sky, heaven, god&quot. Zero-grades *dyu and *diw.
                        Derivatives include Tuesday, divine, jovial, Jupiter, diary, dismal, journey, and psychedelic.

                        1. Basic form *dyeu, Jove, the name of the god of the bright sky, head of the Indo-European pantheon.
                        2. Jove, jovial; apojove, perijove, Sangiovese, from Latin Iovis, Jupiter, or Iov, stem of Iuppiter, Jupiter.
                        3. July, from Latin Ilius, "descended from Jupiter" (name of a Roman gens), from derivative *iou-il.
                        4. Vocative compound *dyeu-pter, "O father Jove" (*pter, father; see pter-). Jupiter, from Latin Iuppiter, Ipiter, head of the Roman pantheon.
                        5. Dione, Zeus; dianthus, Dioscuri, from Greek Zeus (genitive Dios), Zeus.
                        6. Noun *deiwos, god, formed by e-insertion to the zero-grade *diw and suffixation of (accented) -o.
                        7. Tiu, Tuesday, from Old English Tw (genitive Twes), god of war and sky;
                        8. Tyr, from Old Norse Tr, sky god. Both a and b from Germanic *Twaz.
                        9. deism, deity, joss; adieu, adios, deific, deus ex machina, from Latin deus, god.
                        10. diva, divine, from Latin dvus, divine, god.
                        11. Dis, Dives, from Latin dves, rich (< "fortunate, blessed, divine&quot.
                        12. Suffixed zero-grade form *diw-yo, heavenly. Diana, from Latin Dina, moon goddess.
                        13. deva, Devi; deodar, Devanagari, from Sanskrit deva, god, and deva, divine.
                        14. Asmodeus, from Avestan dauua, spirit, demon.
                        15. Variant *dy (< *dye&#8209 dial, diary, diet2, dismal, diurnal, journal, journey; adjourn, ajour?, circadian, meridian, postmeridian, quotidian, sojourn, from Latin dis, day.
                        16. Variant *dei. psychedelic, adelgid, from Greek dlos (< *deyalos), clear.

                        From https//www.ahdictionary.com/word/indoeurop.html#IR017200

                        And also the Germanic Gott and English God

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                        gheu(&#601-
                        To call, invoke. Oldest form *gheu(h2/3), becoming *gheu(h2/3) in centum languages. Suffixed zero-grade form *ghu-to, "the invoked," god.

                        1. god, from Old English god, god;
                        2. giddy, from Old English gydig, gidig, possessed, insane, from Germanic *gud-iga, possessed by a god;
                        3. g?tterd?mmerung, from Old High German got, god. a-c all from Germanic *gudam, god.

                        From https//www.ahdictionary.com/word/indoeurop.html#IR031900

                        This root gheu(&#601- is closely related to the root *ged-

                        *ged-
                        to join, to unite
                        Lith. guodas, Ltv. gods, Eng. gd/good, Gm. guot/gut, Goth. g?s; gds, ON g?r, Skr. (gadhya), OCS god, Russ. (god), Polish gody, Toch. ktk/ktk

                        from https//en.wiktionary.org/.../AppendixList_of.../g%CA%B0

                        Oxford English Dictionary

                        "god (gd). Also 3-4 godd. [Com. Teut. OE. god (masc. in sing.; pl. godu, godo neut., godas masc.) corresponds to OFris., OS., Du. god masc., OHG. got, cot (MHG. got, mod.Ger. gott) masc., ON. go?, gu? neut. and masc., pl. go?, gu? neut. (later Icel. pl. gu?ir masc.; Sw., Da. gud), Goth. gu?(masc. in sing.; pl. gu?a, guda neut.). The Goth. and ON. words always follow the neuter declension, though when used in the Christian sense they are syntactically masc. The OTeut. type is therefore *guom neut., the adoption of the masculine concord being presumably due to the Christian use of the word. The neuter sb., in its original heathen use, would answer rather to L. numen than to L. deus. Another approximate equivalent of deus in OTeut. was *ansu-z (Goth. in latinized pl. form anses, ON. ss, OE. ?s- in personal names, ?sa genit. pl.); but this seems to have been applied only to the higher deities of the native pantheon, never to foreign gods; and it never came into Christian use.

                        The ulterior etymology is disputed. Apart from the unlikely hypothesis of adoption from some foreign tongue, the OTeut. *gubom implies as its pre-Teut. type either *ghudho-m or *ghut?-m. The former does not appear to admit of explanation; but the latter would represent the neut. of the passive pple. of a root *gheu-. There are two Aryan roots of the required form (both *glheu, with palatal aspirate) one meaning to invoke (Skr. h&#363, the other to pour, to offer sacrifice (Skr. hu, Gr. , OE. y?otan YETE v.). Hence *glhut?-m has been variously interpreted as what is invoked (cf. Skr. puru-hta much-invoked, an epithet of Indra) and as what is worshipped by sacrifice (cf. Skr. hut?, which occurs in the sense sacrificed to as well as in that of offered in sacrifice&#8217. Either of these conjectures is fairly plausible, as they both yield a sense practically coincident with the most obvious definition deducible from the actual use of the word, an object of worship.

                        Some scholars, accepting the derivation from the root *glheu- to pour, have supposed the etymological sense to be molten image Gr. &#957, but the assumed development of meaning seems very unlikely.

                        From the Oxford English Dictionary.

                        I dont know very much about the particular stem, but I think that it is obvious why gheu(&#601 (invoke, call) and other root *ged- (unite, join) come from the same seme since when you call, people get united and joined and gathered. This *ged- also became gut in German and good in English. You still use it in the English words "gather" or "together".

                        In any case, I could only give a proper linguistic approach myself about the Greek "theos" and latin "deus", but I think your issue is about the English "god".

                        Also you must know there are other approaches which reject the above widely accepted etymology ( check http//search.proquest.com/.../168623f5623c2cb08baa8.../1... ), although personally I dont see any problem in the acceptance of no laryngeal development.

                        Note Proto Indoeuropean is a family of languages that consists on more than 100 languages (from German and Latin to Sanskrit or Armenian). These languages are supposed to come from a language (Indieuropean) talked around 4500 BC in Central Asia and spread until Europe in several migration waves. Those people had several names but the general one is Aryans. Take into account that the PIE reconstruction project is not only a project held by linguistics, it is a huge attempt that counts on genetics, archaeology, anthropology and geology)

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                          I don't exactly have a understanding of worship. If you are referring to the word ibadat then to me it's to serve or serving through good & righteous deeds. And as for word God i am very skeptical of the object of worship. I learned that the proto-indoeuropean root word of God has some dispute.

                          A brother/sister of ours (Aries) made a research of the word God
                          Check here

                          Please explain further in red what do you mean? Try defining concept god in your words. At best in one or two sentences. Anything that can not be defined this way is not a real concept.

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                            Please explain further in red what do you mean? Try defining concept god in your words. At best in one or two sentences. Anything that can not be defined this way is not a real concept.

                            I'm gonna try but bear with me because i am not good at explaining. Serving requires actions and i have seen a lot of verses in Al-Quran about justice & righteousness

                            4135
                            Ya ayyuha allatheena amanookoonoo qawwameena bialqisti shuhadaalillahi walaw AAala anfusikum awi alwalidayniwaal-aqrabeena in yakun ghaniyyan aw faqeeran faAllahuawla bihima fala tattabiAAoo alhawaan taAAdiloo wa-in talwoo aw tuAAridoo fa-inna Allahakana bima taAAmaloona khabeeran
                            O you who believe, stand with justice as witnesses to God, even if against yourselves, or the parents or the relatives. Even if he be rich or poor, God is more worthy of them, so do not follow desire into being unjust. And if you twist or turn away, then God is Expert over what you do.

                            Qaf-Siin-Tay ( &#1591 = to swerve from justice, act or deal unjustly/wrongfully. qasuta - to act justly. qist - justice, equity. qasit - one who acts unjustly/unrighteously. aqsatu - more just. aqsata (vb. 4) - to be just. muqsitun - one who observes justice.

                            qasata vb. (1) pcple. act. 7214, 7215

                            aqsat n.m. 2282, 335

                            qist n.m. 318, 321, 4127, 4125, 58, 542, 6152, 729, 104, 1047, 1054, 1185, 2147, 559, 5725

                            aqsata vb. (4)
                            impf. act. 43, 608
                            impv. 499
                            pcple. act. 542, 499, 608

                            LL, V7, p 50, 51 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=qsT

                            And as for concept of God, well i am not good at explaining but he is not just a god, He is the one God who is The Creator of the heavens & the earth like in 5924

                            5924

                            Huwa Allahu alkhaliqu albari-oalmusawwiru lahu al-asmao alhusnayusabbihu lahu ma fee alssamawatiwaal-ardi wahuwa alAAazeezu alhakeemu
                            He is God; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.

                            I hope this answer your question. To me Allah or God or Dios or whatever language you are using, use it to refer to The Creator. Salamun Aleykum/Peace be upon you.

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                              Why do you need to keep referring to a scripture? Why can't you use your own understanding to describe concepts you have? Please just enumerate numerically 1, 2, ... the good and righteous deeds that you understand and perform every day.

                              For god, just say "it is creator" or "it is I worship five times a day or for whom I fast" or "for whom I will kill anybody". It is only if we can get our concepts crystal clear our deeds will become correct.

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                                Why do you need to keep referring to a scripture? Why can't you use your own understanding to describe concepts you have? Please just enumerate numerically 1, 2, ... the good and righteous deeds that you understand and perform every day.

                                For god, just say "it is creator" or "it is I worship five times a day or for whom I fast" or "for whom I will kill anybody". It is only if we can get our concepts crystal clear our deeds will become correct.

                                But why can't i base my concepts from the Quran? There is nothing wrong with that. Bold part is what i am trying to say.

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                                  Please just enumerate numerically 1, 2, ... the good and righteous deeds that you understand and perform every day.

                                  Well i'll try.l 1 I try to help the poor and the needy. 2 I am trying be good towards my family & friends. I hope that answer your question.

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                                    But why can't i base my concepts from the Quran? There is nothing wrong with that. Bold part is what i am trying to say.

                                    How certain are you about the concepts currently presented in Quran as the correct concepts? Pleas share your basis for such a certainty?

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                                      Well i'll try.l 1 I try to help the poor and the needy. 2 I am trying be good towards my family & friends. I hope that answer your question.

                                      How do you help needy and poor? What do you mean by good towards family? Do you think one needs a divine scripture to be good towards ones family?

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                                        How certain are you about the concepts currently presented in Quran as the correct concepts? Pleas share your basis for such a certainty?

                                        Well i checked the root words of alkhaliq, albari and almusawwir and here they are

                                        Kh-Lam-Qaf = To measure or proportion a thing, to form or make according to proper measure, bring into existence according to a certain measure, originate or produce after a pattern or model which one has devised, bring into existence from a state of non-existence (create out of nothing), to fabricate or forge a speech or saying, to make a thing equitable or even, make a thing smooth, to be probable or likely to happen (or likely to be or happen, or to have happened or been), act towards someone according to that person's nature, wear out a thing and make it old, to be fit/ competent/ suitable/ proper, to be complete or perfect in respect of make or proportion, have an innate/natural disposition/temperament/quality.

                                        khalaqa vb. (1)
                                        perf. act. 221, 229, 2228, 359, 3191, 41, 41, 518, 61, 62, 673, 694, 6100, 6101, 711, 712, 712, 754, 7181, 7185, 7189, 936, 103, 105, 106, 117, 11119, 1316, 1419, 1432, 1526, 1527, 1533, 1585, 163, 164, 165, 1648, 1670, 1681, 1761, 1770, 1799, 1837, 1848, 199, 1967, 204, 2055, 2116, 2133, 225, 2312, 2314, 2314, 2314, 2317, 2391, 23115, 2445, 252, 2549, 2554, 2559, 2678, 26166, 26184, 2760, 2944, 2961, 308, 3020, 3021, 3040, 3054, 3110, 3111, 3125, 324, 327, 3511, 3540, 3636, 3642, 3671, 3677, 3681, 3711, 3711, 3796, 37150, 3827, 3875, 3876, 3876, 395, 396, 3938, 4067, 419, 4115, 4121, 4137, 439, 439, 4312, 4387, 4438, 4439, 4522, 463, 464, 4633, 4913, 5016, 5038, 5149, 5156, 5236, 5345, 5449, 553, 5514, 5515, 5657, 574, 642, 643, 6512, 672, 673, 6714, 7039, 7114, 7115, 7411, 7538, 762, 7628, 788, 8018, 8019, 827, 872, 904, 923, 954, 961, 962, 1132
                                        impf. act. 347, 349, 517, 5110, 7191, 168, 1617, 1617, 1620, 1799, 2273, 2445, 253, 2868, 2917, 3054, 3681, 394, 396, 4249, 4316, 5659, 7720
                                        perf. pass. 428, 2137, 5235, 7019, 865, 866, 8817
                                        impf. pass. 7191, 1620, 253, 898
                                        n.vb. 2164, 3190, 3191, 4119, 754, 104, 1034, 1034, 135, 1316, 1316, 1419, 1749, 1751, 1798, 1851, 1851, 2050, 21104, 2314, 2317, 2764, 2919, 2920, 3011, 3022, 3027, 3030, 3111, 3128, 327, 3210, 347, 351, 3516, 3678, 3679, 396, 396, 4057, 4057, 4229, 4319, 454, 4633, 5015, 5015, 673,

                                        769, 3668, 3711, 7927

                                        pcple. act. 6102, 13!6, 1528, 23!4, 353, 37125, 3871, 3962, 4062, 5235, 5659, 5924

                                        khalaq n.m. 2102, 2200, 377, 969, 969, 969

                                        khallaq n.m. 1586, 3681

                                        khuluq n.m. 26137, 684

                                        khallaqa vb. (2) pcple. pass. f. 225, 225

                                        ikhtalaqa vb. ( n.vb. 387

                                        LL, V2, p 435, 436, 437, 438, 439 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=xlq

                                        Ba-Ra-Alif = became/was clear/free of a thing, to quit it, become irresponsible for it, guiltless of it, remove oneself from a thing, kept far or aloof (e.g. from unclean things), state of freedom/immunity/security/safety.
                                        Convalescent/sound/healthy, cure/heal, recover/restore.
                                        Create/produce, former/fashioner.
                                        He compounded or made a compromise with him for their mutual separation.
                                        Mankind/creation/beings/things that are created.

                                        bara'a (vb. I)
                                        impf. act. 5722
                                        pcple. act. 254, 254, 5924

                                        bariyah n.f. 986, 987

                                        bara n.m. 4326, 604

                                        bara'ah n.f. 91, 5443

                                        bari n.m. 4112, 619, 678, 848, 93, 1041, 1041, 1135, 1154, 26216, 5916

                                        barra'a (vb. II)
                                        perf. act. 3369
                                        impf. act. 1253
                                        pcple. pass. 2426

                                        abra'a (vb. IV) impf. act. 349, 5110

                                        tabarra'a (vb. V)
                                        perf. act. 2166, 2167, 9114, 2863
                                        impf. act. 2167

                                        LL, V1, p 215, 216 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=bra

                                        Sad-Waw-Ra = to shape/form, fashion mark, picture, adorn, prepare, make.

                                        sara vb. (1) impv. 2260

                                        sur n.m. 673, 1899, 20102, 23101, 2787, 3651, 3968, 5020, 6913, 7818

                                        surah n.f. (pl. suwar) 4064, 643, 828

                                        sawwara vb. (2)
                                        perf. act. 711, 4064, 643
                                        impf. act. 36
                                        pcple. act. 5924

                                        LL, V4, p 468, 469 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=SWR

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                                          How do you help needy and poor? What do you mean by good towards family? Do you think one needs a divine scripture to be good towards ones family?

                                          I try to give money & food to the poor. I am helping out their issues from time to time. And lastly The Quran motivates me greatly to do good. Although there are other ways but The Quran has the most effect.

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