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Why do you need to keep referring to a scripture? Why can't you use your own understanding to describe concepts you have? Please just enumerate numerically 1, 2, ... the good and righteous deeds that you understand and perform every day.
For god, just say "it is creator" or "it is I worship five times a day or for whom I fast" or "for whom I will kill anybody". It is only if we can get our concepts crystal clear our deeds will become correct.
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Why do you need to keep referring to a scripture? Why can't you use your own understanding to describe concepts you have? Please just enumerate numerically 1, 2, ... the good and righteous deeds that you understand and perform every day.
For god, just say "it is creator" or "it is I worship five times a day or for whom I fast" or "for whom I will kill anybody". It is only if we can get our concepts crystal clear our deeds will become correct.
But why can't i base my concepts from the Quran? There is nothing wrong with that. Bold part is what i am trying to say.
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Please just enumerate numerically 1, 2, ... the good and righteous deeds that you understand and perform every day.
Well i'll try.l 1 I try to help the poor and the needy. 2 I am trying be good towards my family & friends. I hope that answer your question.
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But why can't i base my concepts from the Quran? There is nothing wrong with that. Bold part is what i am trying to say.
How certain are you about the concepts currently presented in Quran as the correct concepts? Pleas share your basis for such a certainty?
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Well i'll try.l 1 I try to help the poor and the needy. 2 I am trying be good towards my family & friends. I hope that answer your question.
How do you help needy and poor? What do you mean by good towards family? Do you think one needs a divine scripture to be good towards ones family?
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How certain are you about the concepts currently presented in Quran as the correct concepts? Pleas share your basis for such a certainty?
Well i checked the root words of alkhaliq, albari and almusawwir and here they are
Kh-Lam-Qaf = To measure or proportion a thing, to form or make according to proper measure, bring into existence according to a certain measure, originate or produce after a pattern or model which one has devised, bring into existence from a state of non-existence (create out of nothing), to fabricate or forge a speech or saying, to make a thing equitable or even, make a thing smooth, to be probable or likely to happen (or likely to be or happen, or to have happened or been), act towards someone according to that person's nature, wear out a thing and make it old, to be fit/ competent/ suitable/ proper, to be complete or perfect in respect of make or proportion, have an innate/natural disposition/temperament/quality.
khalaqa vb. (1)
perf. act. 221, 229, 2228, 359, 3191, 41, 41, 518, 61, 62, 673, 694, 6100, 6101, 711, 712, 712, 754, 7181, 7185, 7189, 936, 103, 105, 106, 117, 11119, 1316, 1419, 1432, 1526, 1527, 1533, 1585, 163, 164, 165, 1648, 1670, 1681, 1761, 1770, 1799, 1837, 1848, 199, 1967, 204, 2055, 2116, 2133, 225, 2312, 2314, 2314, 2314, 2317, 2391, 23115, 2445, 252, 2549, 2554, 2559, 2678, 26166, 26184, 2760, 2944, 2961, 308, 3020, 3021, 3040, 3054, 3110, 3111, 3125, 324, 327, 3511, 3540, 3636, 3642, 3671, 3677, 3681, 3711, 3711, 3796, 37150, 3827, 3875, 3876, 3876, 395, 396, 3938, 4067, 419, 4115, 4121, 4137, 439, 439, 4312, 4387, 4438, 4439, 4522, 463, 464, 4633, 4913, 5016, 5038, 5149, 5156, 5236, 5345, 5449, 553, 5514, 5515, 5657, 574, 642, 643, 6512, 672, 673, 6714, 7039, 7114, 7115, 7411, 7538, 762, 7628, 788, 8018, 8019, 827, 872, 904, 923, 954, 961, 962, 1132
impf. act. 347, 349, 517, 5110, 7191, 168, 1617, 1617, 1620, 1799, 2273, 2445, 253, 2868, 2917, 3054, 3681, 394, 396, 4249, 4316, 5659, 7720
perf. pass. 428, 2137, 5235, 7019, 865, 866, 8817
impf. pass. 7191, 1620, 253, 898
n.vb. 2164, 3190, 3191, 4119, 754, 104, 1034, 1034, 135, 1316, 1316, 1419, 1749, 1751, 1798, 1851, 1851, 2050, 21104, 2314, 2317, 2764, 2919, 2920, 3011, 3022, 3027, 3030, 3111, 3128, 327, 3210, 347, 351, 3516, 3678, 3679, 396, 396, 4057, 4057, 4229, 4319, 454, 4633, 5015, 5015, 673,769, 3668, 3711, 7927
pcple. act. 6102, 13!6, 1528, 23!4, 353, 37125, 3871, 3962, 4062, 5235, 5659, 5924
khalaq n.m. 2102, 2200, 377, 969, 969, 969
khallaq n.m. 1586, 3681
khuluq n.m. 26137, 684
khallaqa vb. (2) pcple. pass. f. 225, 225
ikhtalaqa vb. ( n.vb. 387
LL, V2, p 435, 436, 437, 438, 439 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=xlq
Ba-Ra-Alif = became/was clear/free of a thing, to quit it, become irresponsible for it, guiltless of it, remove oneself from a thing, kept far or aloof (e.g. from unclean things), state of freedom/immunity/security/safety.
Convalescent/sound/healthy, cure/heal, recover/restore.
Create/produce, former/fashioner.
He compounded or made a compromise with him for their mutual separation.
Mankind/creation/beings/things that are created.bara'a (vb. I)
impf. act. 5722
pcple. act. 254, 254, 5924bariyah n.f. 986, 987
bara n.m. 4326, 604
bara'ah n.f. 91, 5443
bari n.m. 4112, 619, 678, 848, 93, 1041, 1041, 1135, 1154, 26216, 5916
barra'a (vb. II)
perf. act. 3369
impf. act. 1253
pcple. pass. 2426abra'a (vb. IV) impf. act. 349, 5110
tabarra'a (vb. V)
perf. act. 2166, 2167, 9114, 2863
impf. act. 2167LL, V1, p 215, 216 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=bra
Sad-Waw-Ra = to shape/form, fashion mark, picture, adorn, prepare, make.
sara vb. (1) impv. 2260
sur n.m. 673, 1899, 20102, 23101, 2787, 3651, 3968, 5020, 6913, 7818
surah n.f. (pl. suwar) 4064, 643, 828
sawwara vb. (2)
perf. act. 711, 4064, 643
impf. act. 36
pcple. act. 5924LL, V4, p 468, 469 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=SWR
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How do you help needy and poor? What do you mean by good towards family? Do you think one needs a divine scripture to be good towards ones family?
I try to give money & food to the poor. I am helping out their issues from time to time. And lastly The Quran motivates me greatly to do good. Although there are other ways but The Quran has the most effect.
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I feel like i am being interviewed. I hope we are not going off-topic and feel like i stole the debate from you (bkanwar2) & Manny_E.
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I try to give money & food to the poor. I am helping out their issues from time to time. And lastly The Quran motivates me greatly to do good. Although there are other ways but The Quran has the most effect.
So anybody who doesn't follow Quran is not good to his family? He doesn't help any one in need? Likely has no motivation without Quran to any of these deed, correct.
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So anybody who doesn't follow Quran is not good to his family? He doesn't help any one in need? Likely has no motivation without Quran to any of these deed, correct.
I never said that. I was referring to myself. I am still studying the Quran.
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I feel like i am being interviewed. I hope we are not going off-topic and feel like i stole the debate from you (bkanwar2) & Manny_E.
I am sorry you are feeling this way. I thought you are here to understand Quran? But it seems like you believe that you know all of it already and are here only to get your beliefs reasserted. We can stop this discussion if you feel uncomfortable or don't like it. Just don't respond. Just like when Manny and Mazhar had no answers they stopped.
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I am sorry you are feeling this way. I thought you are here to understand Quran? But it seems like you believe that you know all of it already and are here only to get your beliefs reasserted. We can stop this discussion if you feel uncomfortable or don't like it. Just don't respond. Just like when Manny and Mazhar had no answers they stopped.
It's alright it's nothing wrong with that, i was just a bit nervous. I am here to understand from the Quran but i am not an expert student. And there is no need for assuming that stopped talking doesn't always mean they have no answers. They could be busy with real life and may end up forgetting the debate.
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No, there's no word for worship in the word "allah", it's based on type or kind reference grammar, meaning the AL refers to the being of a person or whatever is attributed.
The closest possible meaning is "the Being One (he/she/it) or speaking of someone's existence.
The knowledge is always evidenced based, otherwise it is just a belief or a mere opinion. Please cite a reference for these meanings for "Al". Thanks.
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The knowledge is always evidenced based, otherwise it is just a belief or a mere opinion. Please cite a reference for these meanings for "Al". Thanks.
Salam he is not here but those this answer your question?
Alif-Lam = The definite article "al". It is equivalent to 'the' in English. In Arabic it is used to give the meaning of Most, All, Complete, Maximum, Whole and to denote comprehensiveness, that is to say all aspects or categories of a subject, or to denote perfection and includes all degrees and grades. It is also used to indicate something which has already been mentioned or a concept of which is present in the mind of the writer or reader. ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=al
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gives the reference to attribute or kind or kindred of whatever is referenced. It is used before words because it's used to say "like" and it can't prefix proper nouns so in the case of Pharaoh it says and not as the language says "like Pharaoh". No name can be prefixed by , it's against the grammar rules and it also invalidates that would be a proper noun.
My explanation of as "being of someone" (the like of) is basically the best possible translation of the semantics. is carrying as a pronoun, just like in English, the subject's reference within a context and it says "the like of he/she/it or in more sensible English "the being of". The point with Arabic is that the Heh substantiates for example Abraham in the phrase and it's wrong to translate the Heh in English because it only binds what's spoken of to Abraham.
If you add a Ye in the same to make then it is plus and it roughly means in the attribute of (pronoun) and requires a proper linguistic argument.
That sounds very similar to Man of Faith's research of the word Allah or Al-Laheh you call it.
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Oh?
Yeah check out Man of Faith on his research of the word Allah on this forum. You can also check his own forum if you wish to discuss with him. http//iamthatiam.boards.net
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When we're talking about "evidence", please provide any further sound argument of why it can logically become and how it can become "he who doesn't worship" or whatever translation you opt for. Where's worship gotten from in the translation seeing there's no morpheme to indicate it.
My logic and analytical ability tells me you're deriving it from nonsensical definitions based on the nonexistent root which says "worthy of worship or praise" and then you're somehow connecting it to and basing your argument on a diacritical marker which isn't even native with the original script into claiming the second Lam is because of the "Shadda" and its design which anyone can see is an attempt at depicting that there is a duality in the language to indicate the letters are dual, binding them together and an indication of how to pronoun the word, even if it's wrong because after all, they're not native to the script but someone's opinion about it.
The so-called Shadda is used all over the language elsewhere.
Is the red your assertion or mine? If you say it is mine please show us where did I say this?
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Here.
And I'm sorry I didn't represent your belief accurately, but the point is similar anyway
Where? It is not my belief, my claims are evidence based and hence it is knowledge. I had beliefs similar to you at one time, but these were blind beliefs without sound evidence. All based upon evidence of hearsay.
This is my final post on this topic. I just wanted to prove to all those critiques that what I present has sound linguistic bases behind it. It is not another opinion/belief or hearsay.
If the author intended there to be some hidden negation inside of a word, this would surely be printed out in an ordinary language and not by dubious diacritics, wouldn't it? The word allah is anomalous and unique as it already is, isn't it?
If it is unique and anomalous then why did you even attempt to break up the word? What about following care to respond regarding your assertions in red?
First it was Al- LEH, now it is Al- LAH. Everyone pronounces it wrong. It is also written wrong. How to verify what you claim as your understanding? Whereas, I am presenting evidence of linguistic rules after rules. Where there is a lack of rules, presenting rationale and logical interpretation based arguments upon existing linguistic rules.
LAH, what is it's root? What is it's meaning?
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Where? It is not my belief, my claims are evidence based and hence it is knowledge. I had beliefs similar to you at one time, but these were blind beliefs without sound evidence. All based upon evidence of hearsay.
Hearsay of what?
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First it was Al- LEH, now it is Al- LAH. Everyone pronounces it wrong. It is also written wrong. How to verify what you claim as your understanding? Whereas, I am presenting evidence of linguistic rules after rules. Where there is a lack of rules, presenting rationale and logical interpretation based arguments upon existing linguistic rules.
LAH, what is it's root? What is it's meaning?
Salam check my reply if it answers your question
Salam/Peace i have also checked other lexicons websites
From Al-Maany Arabic dictionary https//www.almaany.com/en/dict/ar-en//?c=Islamic
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- Allah
- name of God among Muslims and among Arabs of all faiths
- God Who has all power; powerful beyond measure; the Greatest
- God (the One and Only)
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authorized ; licensed
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concessionaire ; concessioner ; licensee
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has
- 3rd singular present of have
- own something or have it to use it
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endorsee
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Allah ; Deity ; God (the One and Only) ; the Creator ; the Lord ; the Maker (God)
From Lane's Lexicon
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