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    Rilum
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    425And whoever of you cannot afford to marry the emancipated
    female believers, then from those committed to by your oath
    of the believing young women. And God is more aware of your
    faith, some of you to each other. You shall marry them with
    the permission of their parents, and give them their dowries in
    kindness. To be emancipated (mu'antin)?not for illicit sex or taking lovers.
    Once they are emancipated(u'inna), then any of them who comes with
    an immorality shall have half of what is upon those already
    emancipated of the punishment. This is for those who fear a
    hardship from among you, but if you are patient it is better for
    you. And God is Forgiver, Merciful.

    I think you cant use emancipate here, as the root means to protect or to guard.

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      425And whoever of you cannot afford to marry the emancipated
      female believers, then from those committed to by your oath
      of the believing young women. And God is more aware of your
      faith, some of you to each other. You shall marry them with
      the permission of their parents, and give them their dowries in
      kindness. To be emancipated (mu'antin)?not for illicit sex or taking lovers.
      Once they are emancipated(u'inna), then any of them who comes with
      an immorality shall have half of what is upon those already
      emancipated of the punishment. This is for those who fear a
      hardship from among you, but if you are patient it is better for
      you. And God is Forgiver, Merciful.

      I think you cant use emancipate here, as the root means to protect or to guard.

      Bold

      Ha-Sad-Nun = To be guarded, be inaccessible/unapproachable, be chaste, be strongly fortified, difficult to access, be preserved, be protected (against attack), abstain from what is not lawful nor decorous, preserve or guard a thing in places inaccessible/unapproachable, make or render a thing inaccessible or unapproachable or difficult to access, make/render a thing unattainable by reason of its height, to fortify oneself.

      husun n.m. (pl. of husn) 592

      hassana vb. (2) pcple. pass. 5914

      ahsana vb. (4)
      perf. act. 2191, 6612
      impf. act. 1248, 2180
      impf. pass. 425
      pcple. act. 424, 55
      pcple. pass. f. 424, 425, 425, 425, 55, 55, 244, 2423

      tahassana vb. (5) n.vb. 2433

      Lane's Lexicon, Volume 2, page 222, 223 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=7Sn

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        Salam this is what Edip Yuksel said about 415 & 16

        415

        416

        You can check in http//quranix.org/4#15 for verification, click on the red numbers to see the translators notes.

        Salaam,
        Thanks for the notes.
        I believe he is right on the "prostitution", because otherwise, in my opinion, it would be difficult to explain "until God makes a way out for them" (a way to escape from the house? a way to get out of the situation sounds better), but I don't agree with the "quarantine" thing; to me it looks just like a command to a man to keep his wife or daughter at home, to avoid them continuing committing that lewdness.

        425And whoever of you cannot afford to marry the emancipated
        female believers, then from those committed to by your oath
        of the believing young women. And God is more aware of your
        faith, some of you to each other. You shall marry them with
        the permission of their parents, and give them their dowries in
        kindness. To be emancipated (mu'antin)?not for illicit sex or taking lovers.
        Once they are emancipated(u'inna), then any of them who comes with
        an immorality shall have half of what is upon those already
        emancipated of the punishment. This is for those who fear a
        hardship from among you, but if you are patient it is better for
        you. And God is Forgiver, Merciful.

        I think you cant use emancipate here, as the root means to protect or to guard.

        Salaam,
        I agree that sometimes Edip Yuksel completely changed certain words; that is why I never rely on a single translation and I use websites such as islamawakened.com

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          Rilum
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          443, 56

          I would suggest to translate the word "junuban" as impure or something else/similar.

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            Bismillahi I think it would be more accurate and appropriate to translate it to With God's name

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              Salaam, I think this is a typo

              2380 And He is the One who gives life and brings death, and to Him is the alteration of the night and the day. Do you not comprehend?

              Alteration instead of alternation.

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                Bismillahi I think it would be more accurate and appropriate to translate it to With God's name

                http//haqeeqat.pk/02.%20Grammatical%20units/1.gif

                These three words, a preposition, a common noun and a Proper Noun constitute the first grammatical unit . It comprises of a Prepositional Phrase + Possessive Phrase.

                The first word comprising of a consonant and a vowel is Inseparable Preposition, meaning that it occurs prefixed with its object noun; in Arabic it is called . Prepositions render their object noun in genitive case. The preposition and its object noun constitute what is called a prepositional phrase, in Arabic grammar .

                The prepositions used in the Divine Discourse help visually recognize the nouns, effortlessly. The preposition designates contiguity in its broadest sense. It has a wide range of uses including spatiotemporal, instrumental and manner adverbial. It is used for the following purposes

                1. For connectivity;

                2. For assistance; instrument

                3. For making a verb transitive;

                4. For an adverbial meaning;

                5. For accompaniment.

                6. For requital; and

                7. Extraneous; according to a rule for the negated predicate; also in interrogation.

                The preposition is evidently for seeking assistance; This phrase in isolation literally means "recourse-beginning-activation-concomitance is with/by a name-code". Initiating a controlled process requires information. And the most fundamental fact about information is that it is itself preceded by the Prime Source Who is but the Living and holding Will. The Divine Discourse concatenates facts in perfect sequence and chronological order. Its first word vividly indicates at the outset about superb concatenation-consistence-contiguity and colligation in the contents of the Book in hand. This is the First scientific fact of the physical world. The creation and for created ones the initiation of the process of learning-knowledge is but the "code/name". The human memory and that of computer can save nothing without knowing or assigning a code/name to a thing-object-phenomenon.

                http//haqeeqat.pk/1.BismilAllah.htm

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                  Salaam, I think this is a typo

                  Alteration instead of alternation.

                  Good detection.

                  Alteration refers to change in one thing. Alternation is the reciprocal succession of (normally two) things in time or place; the act of following and being followed by turns; alternate succession, performance, or occurrence; as, the alternation of day and night, cold and heat, summer and winter, hope and fear.

                  Verbal noun is also of Form-VIII. Its Root also has the primary signification

                  That it signifies the coming or happening of a thing after another thing rising and holding the position and status that was once held by the other one - alternation; secondly it is contra. of past referring future; and thirdly it signifies change.

                  Root http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(410).htm

                  And He the Exalted causes emergence of life in matter and causes death to alive.

                  And the alternation of the Night and the Day is for Him the Exalted to manage.

                  Is it for reason that you do not ponder?use intellect to differentiate?

                  2378-80

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                    Good detection.

                    Alteration refers to change in one thing. Alternation is the reciprocal succession of (normally two) things in time or place; the act of following and being followed by turns; alternate succession, performance, or occurrence; as, the alternation of day and night, cold and heat, summer and winter, hope and fear.

                    Verbal noun is also of Form-VIII. Its Root also has the primary signification

                    That it signifies the coming or happening of a thing after another thing rising and holding the position and status that was once held by the other one - alternation; secondly it is contra. of past referring future; and thirdly it signifies change.

                    Root http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(410).htm

                    And He the Exalted causes emergence of life in matter and causes death to alive.

                    And the alternation of the Night and the Day is for Him the Exalted to manage.

                    Is it for reason that you do not ponder?use intellect to differentiate?

                    2378-80

                    Thanks for completing
                    I noticed it randomly.

                    I want also to share a thought on nafs.
                    I think that, since its primary meaning is "soul", before translating it to "person" we should then consider if another meaning is possible in that context.
                    For example

                    They did not teach anyone until they would say "We are a test, so do not lose faith!" Thus they teach what can separate between a person and his mate; but they cannot harm anyone except with the permission of God.

                    2102
                    What if God meant another thing here?
                    This piece of the verse is usually understood to mean that they learnt how to separate a man and his wife, but what if what they learnt was to divide any living being from its mate?

                    O people, be aware of your Lord who has created you from one person and He created from it its mate and sent forth from it many men and many women; and be aware of God whom you ask about, and the relatives. God is Watcher over you.

                    41

                    And He is the One who initiated you from one person; with a place for stability and development. We have explained the signs to a people who understand.

                    698

                    These verses are understood by sectarians to mean that Eve came from the rib of Adam... This translation does the same as most of the traditional translations.
                    But the verses could also mean that we were initiated from one living being, like a living cell, and from it God made its mate (by dividing the cell).

                    Correct me if I am wrong in anything, since I don't speak arabic.

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                      Salam/Peace dear brother IsaMuslim. It's best of you check and study the root word of Nafs

                      Nun-Fa-Siin ( ) = was or became high in estimation, of high account or excellent, highly prized/precious/valuable and therefore desired with much emulation or much request, desired, it became loved or highly esteemed, console, cheer, envy.
                      Was or became avaricious/tenacious/niggardly of it because of its being in high estimation or excellent, little to much good.
                      Brought forth (e.g. gave birth to a child), menstruated, blood.
                      Clear away grief/anxiety/sorrow, ease/relieve, delay.
                      Breath, gust, drew breath, sigh, spoke long (due to regular intake of breath), become extended/long/increased, ability.
                      Soul/spirit, the vital principle, intellect/reason/mind, inner desire or feeling, knowledge, pride, self-magnification, a state where there is ample scope for action, 'willingly' when used as adverb, nafs - soul of discrimination (mental) and ruh - soul of breath (physical), oneself/itself, whole, essential constituent, reality, sometimes ghayb and nafs are synonymous, a person/being/individual, quantity, man, life, soul + body, life-blood, body, contention/thought/face/substance, heart, stomach, gulp, drought.
                      Brother or co-partner in faith/religion/relationship.
                      Wide space, distance, width.
                      Greatness, nobility, glory, scarcity, absoluteness, unseen, hidden reality which is beyond human perception, intention, requital, punishment.
                      nafs n.f. (pl. anfus and nufus) 29, 244, 248, 248, 254, 254, 257, 272, 284, 285, 287, 290, 2102, 2109, 2110, 2123, 2123, 2130, 2155, 2187, 2207, 2223, 2228, 2231, 2233, 2234, 2234, 2235, 2235, 2240, 2265, 2272, 2281, 2284, 2286, 325, 328, 330, 330, 361, 361, 369, 393, 3117, 3117, 3135, 3145, 3154, 3154, 3161, 3164, 3165, 3168, 3178, 3185, 3186, 41, 44, 429, 449, 463, 464, 465, 466, 479, 484, 495, 495, 497, 4107, 4110, 4111, 4113, 4128, 4135, 525, 530, 532, 532, 545, 552, 570, 580, 5105, 5116, 5116, 612, 612, 620, 624, 626, 654, 670, 693, 698, 6104, 6123, 6130, 6130, 6151, 6152, 6158, 6164, 79, 723, 737, 742, 753, 7160, 7172, 7177, 7188, 7189, 7192, 7197, 7205, 853, 872, 917, 920, 935, 936, 941, 942, 944, 955, 970, 981, 985, 988, 9111, 9118, 9120, 9120, 9128, 1015, 1023, 1030, 1044, 1049, 1054, 10100, 10108, 1121, 1131, 11101, 11105, 1218, 1223, 1226, 1230, 1232, 1251, 1251, 1253, 1254, 1268, 1277, 1283, 1311, 1316, 1333, 1342, 1422, 1445, 1451, 167, 1628, 1633, 1672, 1689, 16111, 16111, 16111, 16118, 177, 1714, 1715, 1725, 1733, 186, 1828, 1835, 1851, 1874, 1874, 2015, 2040, 2041, 2067, 2096, 2135, 2143, 2147, 2164, 21102, 2362, 23103, 246, 2412, 2461, 2461, 253, 2521, 2568, 263, 2714, 2740, 2744, 2792, 2816, 2819, 2833, 296, 2940, 2957, 308, 309, 3021, 3028, 3028, 3044, 3112, 3128, 3134, 3134, 3213, 3217, 3227, 336, 3337, 3350, 3419, 3450, 358, 3518, 3532, 3636, 3654, 37113, 396, 3915, 3941, 3942, 3953, 3956, 3970, 4010, 4017, 4131, 4146, 4153, 4211, 4245, 4371, 4515, 4522, 4738, 4810, 4911, 4915, 5016, 5021, 5121, 5323, 5332, 5714, 5722, 588, 599, 599, 5918, 5919, 6111, 6311, 6416, 6416, 651, 657, 666, 7320, 7438, 752, 7514, 7940, 817, 8114, 825, 8219, 8219, 864, 8927, 917

                      tanaffasa vb. (5) perf. act. 8118

                      tanafasa vb. (6)
                      impf. act. 8326
                      pcple. act. 8326

                      Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 80, 81, 82, 83 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=nfs

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                        Salam/Peace dear brother IsaMuslim. It's best of you check and study the root word of Nafs

                        Nun-Fa-Siin ( &#1587 = was or became high in estimation, of high account or excellent, highly prized/precious/valuable and therefore desired with much emulation or much request, desired, it became loved or highly esteemed, console, cheer, envy.
                        Was or became avaricious/tenacious/niggardly of it because of its being in high estimation or excellent, little to much good.
                        Brought forth (e.g. gave birth to a child), menstruated, blood.
                        Clear away grief/anxiety/sorrow, ease/relieve, delay.
                        Breath, gust, drew breath, sigh, spoke long (due to regular intake of breath), become extended/long/increased, ability.
                        Soul/spirit, the vital principle, intellect/reason/mind, inner desire or feeling, knowledge, pride, self-magnification, a state where there is ample scope for action, 'willingly' when used as adverb, nafs - soul of discrimination (mental) and ruh - soul of breath (physical), oneself/itself, whole, essential constituent, reality, sometimes ghayb and nafs are synonymous, a person/being/individual, quantity, man, life, soul + body, life-blood, body, contention/thought/face/substance, heart, stomach, gulp, drought.
                        Brother or co-partner in faith/religion/relationship.
                        Wide space, distance, width.
                        Greatness, nobility, glory, scarcity, absoluteness, unseen, hidden reality which is beyond human perception, intention, requital, punishment.
                        nafs n.f. (pl. anfus and nufus) 29, 244, 248, 248, 254, 254, 257, 272, 284, 285, 287, 290, 2102, 2109, 2110, 2123, 2123, 2130, 2155, 2187, 2207, 2223, 2228, 2231, 2233, 2234, 2234, 2235, 2235, 2240, 2265, 2272, 2281, 2284, 2286, 325, 328, 330, 330, 361, 361, 369, 393, 3117, 3117, 3135, 3145, 3154, 3154, 3161, 3164, 3165, 3168, 3178, 3185, 3186, 41, 44, 429, 449, 463, 464, 465, 466, 479, 484, 495, 495, 497, 4107, 4110, 4111, 4113, 4128, 4135, 525, 530, 532, 532, 545, 552, 570, 580, 5105, 5116, 5116, 612, 612, 620, 624, 626, 654, 670, 693, 698, 6104, 6123, 6130, 6130, 6151, 6152, 6158, 6164, 79, 723, 737, 742, 753, 7160, 7172, 7177, 7188, 7189, 7192, 7197, 7205, 853, 872, 917, 920, 935, 936, 941, 942, 944, 955, 970, 981, 985, 988, 9111, 9118, 9120, 9120, 9128, 1015, 1023, 1030, 1044, 1049, 1054, 10100, 10108, 1121, 1131, 11101, 11105, 1218, 1223, 1226, 1230, 1232, 1251, 1251, 1253, 1254, 1268, 1277, 1283, 1311, 1316, 1333, 1342, 1422, 1445, 1451, 167, 1628, 1633, 1672, 1689, 16111, 16111, 16111, 16118, 177, 1714, 1715, 1725, 1733, 186, 1828, 1835, 1851, 1874, 1874, 2015, 2040, 2041, 2067, 2096, 2135, 2143, 2147, 2164, 21102, 2362, 23103, 246, 2412, 2461, 2461, 253, 2521, 2568, 263, 2714, 2740, 2744, 2792, 2816, 2819, 2833, 296, 2940, 2957, 308, 309, 3021, 3028, 3028, 3044, 3112, 3128, 3134, 3134, 3213, 3217, 3227, 336, 3337, 3350, 3419, 3450, 358, 3518, 3532, 3636, 3654, 37113, 396, 3915, 3941, 3942, 3953, 3956, 3970, 4010, 4017, 4131, 4146, 4153, 4211, 4245, 4371, 4515, 4522, 4738, 4810, 4911, 4915, 5016, 5021, 5121, 5323, 5332, 5714, 5722, 588, 599, 599, 5918, 5919, 6111, 6311, 6416, 6416, 651, 657, 666, 7320, 7438, 752, 7514, 7940, 817, 8114, 825, 8219, 8219, 864, 8927, 917

                        tanaffasa vb. (5) perf. act. 8118

                        tanafasa vb. (6)
                        impf. act. 8326
                        pcple. act. 8326

                        Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 80, 81, 82, 83 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=nfs

                        Salam brother,
                        Sorry for replying only today.

                        I see that the meaning of "Soul", which also carries the meaning of "life" is in the lexicon.
                        Also we have the following

                        Qur'an 3185

                        Every soul will taste death

                        It is not only every person that will die, but every living being (animals, plants, ...).

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                          It is not only every person that will die, but every living being (animals, plants, ...).

                          Yes and they will return to Allah/God (SWTAY)

                          20111
                          WaAAanati alwujoohu lilhayyialqayyoomi waqad khaba man hamala thulman
                          And the faces shall be humbled for the Eternal, the Living. And whoever carried wickedness with him has failed.

                          5526
                          Kullu man AAalayha fanin
                          Everyone upon it will fade away.

                          5527
                          Wayabqa wajhu rabbika thooaljalali waal-ikrami
                          And the face of your Lord will remain; One with Majesty and Honor.

                          4065
                          Huwa alhayyu la ilahailla huwa faodAAoohu mukhliseena lahu alddeenaalhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena
                          He is the Living; there is no god except He. So call on Him while devoting the system to Him. Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds.

                          2135
                          Kullu nafsin tha-iqatu almawtiwanablookum bialshsharri waalkhayri fitnatanwa-ilayna turjaAAoona
                          Every soul will taste death. And We burden you with evil and good as a test, and it is TO US THAT YOU WILL RETURN.

                          2957
                          Kullu nafsin tha-iqatu almawti thummailayna turjaAAoona
                          Every soul will taste death, then TO US YOU WILL BE RETURNED

                          Ra-Jiim-Ayn = to return, turn back, turn off, (blame) upon any one, come back, repeat, answer, bring answer, be brought back. raji'un - one who returns. murji'un - return, termination. taraja'a (vb. 6) -to return to one another.

                          2558
                          Watawakkal AAala alhayyi allatheela yamootu wasabbih bihamdihi wakafabihi bithunoobi AAibadihi khabeeran
                          And put your trust in the Eternal Who does not die, and glorify His praise. It is enough for Him that He is expert in the sins of His servants.

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                            Salam/Peace everyone. I found a verse that i have noticed something.

                            5147 والسماء بنيناها باييد وانا لموسعون
                            Waalssamaa banaynahabi-aydin wa-inna lamoosiAAoona
                            And the heaven We constructed with resources, and We are expanding it.

                            Now i checked the root for curiosity and i found this

                            Waw-Siin-Ayn = to be ample, take in, comprehend, embrace.

                            Wasi'a (prf. 3rd. m. sing.) Extended; Comprehended.
                            Wasi'at (prf 3rd. p. f sing.) Embraces.
                            Wasi'ta (prf 2nd. p. m. sing.) Thou comprehended.
                            Sa'atun (v. n.) Abundance; Amplitude; Bounty.
                            Waasi'un (act. pic. m. sing.) Bountiful; All-Pervading.
                            Al-Waasi'un one of the names of God.
                            Wasi'atun (act. pic. f. sing.) wide, spacious.
                            Muus'i (ap-der. m. sing. vb. IV) maker of the vast extant.
                            Wus'un (n.) capacity, scope.

                            wasi'a vb. (1) perf. act. 2255, 680, 789, 7156, 2098, 407
                            n.vb. (1) 2247, 4100, 4130, 2422, 657, 657
                            n.vb. (2) 2233, 2286, 6152, 742, 2362
                            pcple. act. 2115, 2247, 2261, 2268, 373, 497, 4130, 554, 6147, 2432, 2956, 3910, 5332

                            awsa'a vb. (4) pcple. act. 2236, 5147

                            Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 306, 307 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=ws3

                            The Arabic word lamûsiûna has a emphatic lām prefix & the word mûsiûna grammar's form is masculine plural form IV active nominative noun.

                            I dont know if this is a mistranslation or not but someone with good Arabic knowledge can help me with this?

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                              Salam,

                              3952-53 needs correction.
                              3952 is missing something.

                              3952
                              Do they not realize that God spreads the provision for whoever He chooses, and withholds? In that are signs for a people who believe

                              Is the underlined correct in 3953?

                              3953
                              Say ?O My servants who transgressed against themselves, do not
                              despair of the mercy of God. For God forgives all sins. He is the
                              Forgiver, the Merciful.?

                              Salam

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                                I wonder why we as muslims still use proper names such as moses, gabriel, pharaoh and so on.

                                Isn?t it clear from Quran that their names are Musa, Jibril and Firawn?

                                Please stop using names taken from other than Quran itself, especially from the books that had been twisted and edited by men.

                                May ALLAH forgive us.

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                                  I depends on where you are with whom you are talking.

                                  In an englishspeaking Forum it is ok to use Moses to stick with this example as this is whats the englishname is .When you know that you are debatting with a jew it is ok to use Moshe due to respect if you know they are muslims then Musa.

                                  Dont think that People Twisted the names

                                  My view

                                  peace

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                                    i dont think they are English name. they are taken from Old Testament (OT).

                                    Since the current book of Old Testament has contradictions injected by human led by the devil itself, we should not consider it as a holy book. we should not take any information from it to add up or complete any information we got from Quran under any circumstances, since Quran already state that it is complete. no extra information regarding road of salvation is required.

                                    those names from OT are causing us heavy problems due to

                                    1. that is the way they can smuggle the non existing character of Jesus to become Nabi Isa, so that many of us think Nabi Isa is Jesus and vice versa.
                                    2. that is the way they smuggle the idea of false long timeline of prophets from Nabi Nuh to Nabi Muhammad by changing the name of Nabi Yakub to Israel, so that we will think that Bani Israil is the descendant of Nabi Yakub.

                                    i dont know if there are more evil agenda other than these 2, but these are already bad enough.

                                    please stop using extra-quranic information when we talk about Quran.

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                                      peace,

                                      FM translation of 2217

                                      They ask you about the sacred month "Is there fighting in it?" Say "MUCH FIGHTING IS IN IT, and to repel from the path of God and to disbelieve in it, and the Sacred Temple, to drive its inhabitants out from it is far greater with God, and persecution is worse than being killed." And they still will fight you until they turn you back from your system if they are able. And whoever of you turns back from his system, and he dies while disbelieving, then these have nullified their works in this world and the next; these are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide!

                                      but this is correct imo ?...say "FIGHTING/KILLING IN IT (IS) BIG/GREAT, and prevention/obstruction from God's path and disbelief with(in) it, and the Masjid the Forbidden/Sacred, and bringing/forcing out its people from it (is) bigger/greater at God, and persecution (is) bigger/greater from the fighting/killing,...?

                                      In this verse the derivatives of root K-B-R come 3 times, and it is clear that the 2nd and 3rd occasions signify a sinful action even though it is not mentioned directly, (i.e. bigger/greater crime/sin). So the first occasion can also interpret in the same way i.e. big/great sin/crime.

                                      Thus fighting/killing in Al Shahr Al Haram is

                                      1. great sin
                                      2. preventing (people) from God&#039s path
                                      3. equivalent to disbelieving in ASAH

                                      — To the best of my current understanding (17:36). ​من الله كل خير ولله الحمد
                                      "O you who have attained to faith! Surrender yourselves wholly unto God ..." [2:208], [3:102]

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                                        peace Mohamed, I agree with you. As a side note you may be interested to learn of the controversy surrounding translation of 2217 in traditional sources
                                        http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-al-haram-Quran.html analysis, and references this article.

                                        It is a rarely discussed issue.

                                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                          peace,

                                          What is the difference between ism and alqaab?
                                          FM translation of 4911 made both as the same!
                                          I think ism = name and alqaab = insulting nickname(s)

                                          from 4911,
                                          "...Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names; miserable indeed is the name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does not repent, then these are the transgressors."

                                          — To the best of my current understanding (17:36). ​من الله كل خير ولله الحمد
                                          "O you who have attained to faith! Surrender yourselves wholly unto God ..." [2:208], [3:102]

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