Are tattoos allowed according to the Quran
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Well, I don't think this holds water.
For example"Pain and Self Harm"
Body training can also induce pain. Is it therefore a no-no?
The body is not harmed. It is just inked.
"Changing what God created"
Then we should not cut any body hair (which btw also can involve pain), or do any geo-engineering like dams or tunnels and such
What I'm saying is that it sounds a bit vague.
It sounds like searching for justifications for a prohibition where there are none.Peace
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and moreover look into this..
it got some really medical issues involved in it...
http//positivemed.com/2013/08/29/10-side-effects-tattoos/
http//www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/everybody-has-a-tattoo-but-nobody-talks-about-the-side-effects_us_55c3ad03e4b0d9b743db4f7c
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattoo_medical_issues
on other hand never say to somebody something based on hadith. due to a reason... once a person told me you dnt have to shave your beard its haram...
i asked reason?
he replied its like you are changing/altering the creation of God... etc...
i replied to him... the beard is out of body and while doing it i feel no pain...
and on the other hand removing beard is changing /altering then what is the case with public hairs... the unnecessary hairs...he get quiet ... after i replied this ,
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Well, I don't think this holds water.
For example
Body training can also induce pain. Is it therefore a no-no?The body is not harmed. It is just inked.
Then we should not cut any body hair (which btw also can involve pain), or do any geo-engineering like dams or tunnels and suchWhat I'm saying is that it sounds a bit vague.
It sounds like searching for justifications for a prohibition where there are none.Peace
Actually I said Pain and Self Harm, both condition's have to be present. Body training induces pain but you're not self harming yourself, if you're doing recklessly and harming yourself in one way or another then I would say that is not allowed.
The body goes through pain and is harmed with the practice of tattooing, @imran posted a few links above explaining that.
However I also know that we are coming to a point where technology has advanced to a point where in future we'll be able to achieve tattooing without incurring pain and harming the body.
This is the verse I was referring to 4119, where change to the God creation is mentioned.
You and @imran both make a good point about change to the creating by means like (body hair, nails or damns, trees etc. known to be God creation as well)
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That begs the question about what 4119 means then.
4119 "I will misguide them and make them desire, and I will command them, so that they will mark the ears of the livestock, and I will command them so they will make change to God's creation." Whoever takes the devil as a supporter other than God, then he has indeed lost a great loss.
if you read the subject and surrounding verses then you can easily understand whats going on there...
wasting and using are two different things...
we need to understand the satan here is challangeing to God that i will put ideas of some kind which make them harm more than good..
examples... are changing the organs from male to female...( clear changing)
appraoching somebody from behind (now a days very common) instead of the way God told us...creating atom bomb and burn all the trees without make them purposeful ... for humanity like furniture, and stuff...
but these are not the examples i want to give...
if you want examples on subject then the changing in God creation here refers to associating something with God even after knowing they are not God..
people claim the angels have female form, laat uzzat are mini gods, creating image of god and associating unnatural things with God is infact subject there...
a perfect example... God cannot give brith ...
so its out of question if we debate God gave a birth to that...and here are kids /partner/associator of godsame a man cannot give birth its women who give birth....
so at first instant its unnatural to think man give a birth to kid...thaats the actual subject... as we seee satan is quite successful in making these things in our mind and most of the people without any knowledge associate things with God... till now
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It is clear to me that Satan is challenging God, it is clear to me that he will misguide people but the examples you've given are answers to a more specific question.
If we analyse the sentence
I will command them so they will make change to God's creation
God's creation is Human beings, animals, Trees, Mountains, pretty much everything.you're implying that this sentence falls under the category of "wasting" rather than using, so change as in waste (destroying trees,organ change from male to female)
but the verse it self doesn't give any indication to such change, therefore, it comes natural to me to believe that an act, such as cutting my hair,nails, cutting trees, working out, all fall under the category of "change God's creation" irrespective of their goal. -
but the verse it self doesn't give any indication to such change, therefore, it comes natural to me to believe that an act, such as cutting my hair,nails, cutting trees, working out, all fall under the category of "change God's creation" irrespective of their goal.
God create things for the purpose... you need to focus things on larger/wider scale...
cutting your nails is styling(shaping) your nails . and digging out your nails from root is destroying...changing
cutting fruits /vegetable after that cooking them with spice is not a change its a taste giving.... yeh wasting/destroying that food instead of making it purposeful is another thing...
trees animals ,water all are the facilities for a human being to make good use of them...
time is key , time is changing every single minute. tick tick tick...
when time change things automatically change wether you do it or not...
this universe lost nothing , just things change the shape...
even real self will not get died the body died. you character wil be secured somewhere at dimenshns unknown...
God created everything for purpose , so getting that purpose from them is not changing... its very easy to understand. i dnt know why you thinking like that... even with one of your breath you inhale multiple bacteriaz.. is it not animal killing lol...
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instead of going in to this you should understand the subject of verse , actually.. i will make it easy in old times they do different cruel stuff with people thinking that God is pleased with them doing all this... like sacrificing somebody with blood, cutting different parts of body,, and these stuff... which is clearly the way of satan.. so god is advising them not to do these acts... and the verse is an example of changing/disfiguring in God creation obviously everything is the creation of God...
?I will mislead them and entice them.? I will order them to slit the ears of cattle and disfigure the creation of God.? Whoever forsakes God and takes Satan for a friend, has suffered a manifest loss
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God create things for the purpose... you need to focus things on larger/wider scale...
cutting your nails is styling(shaping) your nails . and digging out your nails from root is destroying...changing
cutting fruits /vegetable after that cooking them with spice is not a change its a taste giving.... yeh wasting/destroying that food instead of making it purposeful is another thing...
trees animals ,water all are the facilities for a human being to make good use of them...
time is key , time is changing every single minute. tick tick tick...
when time change things automatically change wether you do it or not...
this universe lost nothing , just things change the shape...
even real self will not get died the body died. you character wil be secured somewhere at dimenshns unknown...
God created everything for purpose , so getting that purpose from them is not changing... its very easy to understand. i dnt know why you thinking like that... even with one of your breath you inhale multiple bacteriaz.. is it not animal killing lol...
Bold These things you've mentioned are natural changing, the verse
I will order them to slit the ears of cattle and disfigure the creation of God
It's about "them" applying changes, them/people/humans don't have control over time.
I've created another thread because this thread was primarily on whether tattoos are allowed or not, now we are getting more into the understanding of the verse 4119 (which is related but it speaks about a broader category)
However, I'm happy to talk about it on hereThe verse it's divided in 4 parts where Satan/Shaytan tells what he will do
- I will mislead them
- I will create in them false desires
- I will order them to slit the ears of cattle
- I will command them so they will change the creation of Allah
Now, leaving aside point number 3, which is another sentence I don't understand well. I would like to focus on point number 4.
The gist of this verse it's about satan/shaytaan challenging God and telling what he will do.Number 4 says
I will command them so they will change the creation of Allah
them/they refers to humans(as far as I'm concerned)
cutting your nails is styling(shaping) your nails
calling it "shaping" doesn't make it different than changing in my opinion. matter of fact change and shape are synonyms.
Change definition "the action of putting on different clothes",
Synonyms Alteration, Adjustment, Shape,Cutting nails implies a change, means being different than what they were originally.
PS I guess the reason why you use the word "change" only in negative sentences is because according to that verse, the author/main character in it is satan, therefore any change that Satan is referring to, must be a negative change, am I right?
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I do not believe tattooing is 'haram'. as no mention is made of it as such in the quran, then it is not 'haram'. the quran states what is 'haram' - after that, all else is 'halal'. certain things may not be good for you, but that does not make them forbidden.