Palavers about Qur'aan.

Novice

I have no degree in language sciences. And more than 90% of the entire population of world has no degree in any language as subject.

My concluding remark in article on Translation

Therefore, the translation of Qur?n is but one directional interpretation. Thereby, it is not necessary that the translator be a linguist. It is also so because translation and interpretation of a book is merely a skill.

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Skills cannot be standardized so you are saying that readers of Quraan have the freedom of adding to the text as per their interpretation. We can see why there are so many sects in Islam and who to blame for it.

Novice

Therefore, we will render the semantic content of elisions in the target language and will give the reference of Sura and Ayah from where the semantic information is taken by brackets, like .

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Please give reference to Sura and Ayah from where you took the semantic information that "His abd" is prophet Muhammad.

The key to understand ellipses is to always keep in mind that the message is geared to be consonant with the audience's prior knowledge and assumptions.

Or did you take "His abd"=prophet Muhammad from the prior knowledge and assumptions.

Novice

Therefore, we will render the semantic content of elisions in the target language and will give the reference of Sura and Ayah from where the semantic information is taken by brackets, like .

The key to understand ellipses is to always keep in mind that the message is geared to be consonant with the audience's prior knowledge and assumptions.

These two statements are so contradictory.

First one takes information from within Quraan to explain ayahs.

Second one takes information from prior knowledge and assumptions of the audience.

Mazhar

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Therefore, we will render the semantic content of elisions in the target language and will give the reference of Sura and Ayah from where the semantic information is taken by brackets, like .

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Please give reference to Sura and Ayah from where you took the semantic information that "His abd" is prophet Muhammad.

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The key to understand ellipses is to always keep in mind that the message is geared to be consonant with the audience's prior knowledge and assumptions.

Or did you take "His abd"=prophet Muhammad from the prior knowledge and assumptions.

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Who is this Abd of Allah? Allah says this Abd takes you and me out of the depths of darkness into enlightenment.

What is the name of Abd to whom the Book was sent?

Mazhar

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Therefore, we will render the semantic content of elisions in the target language and will give the reference of Sura and Ayah from where the semantic information is taken by brackets, like .

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 020543 AM
The key to understand ellipses is to always keep in mind that the message is geared to be consonant with the audience's prior knowledge and assumptions.

These two statements are so contradictory.

First one takes information from within Quraan to explain ayahs.

Second one takes information from prior knowledge and assumptions of the audience.

Both things are valid. Pl study how books are written. Please read it

v) Audience of the Book;

One of the most difficult questions for a human author is figuring out "who are your target audience?" Grand Qur?n is unique in this respect also. It explicitly defines and addresses specifically the target audience and those who are the primary readers for the Book. When approaching a text, a reader should try to determine who the author is trying to communicate with. It is necessary because the message is geared to be consonant with the audience's prior knowledge and assumptions. It is the audience in relation to whom will depend the main idea, validation and support, word choice, sentence structure, writing plan - form, writing relationship what tone of voice comes to you as a reader.

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Novice

Both things are valid. Pl study how books are written. Please read it

No brother both things are not valid in the case of Quraan which is a book of guidance for the whole mankind. It claims to provide guidance to everyone approaching it with clean slate. The one approaching it with pre-conceived information will try to get confirmation of what he has already established.

When approaching a text, a reader should try to determine who the author is trying to communicate with. It is necessary because the message is geared to be consonant with the audience's prior knowledge and assumptions. It is the audience in relation to whom will depend the main idea, validation and support, word choice, sentence structure, writing plan - form, writing relationship what tone of voice comes to you as a reader.

Target audience for Quraan is the mankind. So the author is communicating with everyone approaching it.

Mazhar

No brother both things are not valid in the case of Quraan which is a book of guidance for the whole mankind. It claims to provide guidance to everyone approaching it with clean slate. The one approaching it with pre-conceived information will try to get confirmation of what he has already established.

Target audience for Quraan is the mankind. So the author is communicating with everyone approaching it.

The audience is humanity. But did you notice who is addressee in a particular part of the text. Since you have totally closed your mind to let any knowledgeable thing enter therein you keep raising irrelevant things. See the addressees

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Thanks.

Novice

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Who is this Abd of Allah? Allah says this Abd takes you and me out of the depths of darkness into enlightenment.

What is the name of Abd to whom the Book was sent?

Mazhar thanks for quoting these ayahs but these are with reference to the book. Obviously Abd in these ayahs is the one who received the book and as such became the messenger of Allah. Quraan inform us that the messenger of Allah was Muhammad.

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Are you assuming that 131 occurrences of the noun "Abd" in Quraan are always used for Muhammad?

( Source http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Ebd)

Mazhar

Mazhar thanks for quoting these ayahs but these are with reference to the book. Obviously Abd in these ayahs is the one who received the book and as such became the messenger of Allah. Quraan inform us that the messenger of Allah was Muhammad.

4829 .......

Are you assuming that 131 occurrences of the noun "Abd" in Quraan are always used for Muhammad?

( Source http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Ebd)

Did I say this?

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Who is Abd in it?

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Novice

The audience is humanity. But did you notice who is addressee in a particular part of the text. Since you have totally closed your mind to let any knowledgeable thing enter therein you keep raising irrelevant things.

Personal insults will make no difference brother. Bring your proof to validate your translation.

See the addressees