Free-Minds cheated in translating 86:6-7?
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Salam/Peace brother Wakas, thank you for the links, one of the replies from 2005
peace ichephren,
Firstly, nice to see you post again. Now, onto your Q...
It has been discussed previously (the search function at the top of this forum is extremely helpful)
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3062The bold part with the link sadly does not work and the word alttara-ibi (ب does not mean testicles,
Ta-Ra-Ba ( ب = To have much earth, have dust in the hands, dusty, be destitute, poverty, neediness, misery, suffering loss. Poor man intimately acquainted with his mother earth. He sank from the wealth.
Soil/earth/dust.
Cemetery, burial-place, grave.
Contemporary friend, companion, match/fellow/equal, suiting the age and matching in all other aspects, peer, one having similar tastes/habits/views.
Breast, breast bones, chest, ribs.Plus Joseph Islam made an article about this as well http//quransmessage.com/articles/verse%2086-7%20FM3.htm
Lane's Lexicon Volume 1, Page 337
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Lane's Lexicon Volume 1, Page 338
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So what do you think of Kashif's article, Wakas?
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I only skim read it. I have not studied this issue again in detail so cant really comment. The sensationalist wording and emotional rhetoric he uses is quite pathetic.
Bold Oh? How so? Not defending him by the way.
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Forgot to post this root word as well
Sad-Lam-Ba ( ب = to put to death by crucifixion, extract marrow from bones. salb - a well known way of killing, crucifying. salabahuu - he put him to death in a certain well known manner, he crucified. aslaab (pl. of sulbun) - backbones, loins. masluub - crucified. saliibun - put to death in a certain well known manner.
salaba vb. (1)
perf. act. 4157
impf. pass. 1241sulb n.m. (pl. aslab) 423, 867
sallaba vb. (2)
impf. act. 7124, 2071, 2649
impf. pass. 533Lane's Lexicon Volume 4, Page 435
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Lane's Lexicon Volume 4, Page 436
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Lane's Lexicon Volume 4, Page 437
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It's alright everyone, i can wait for answers. )
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While i shall wait for answers, i think i should the entire chapter (It's only 17 verses) in arabic text because i am very hesitant to show the translation.
Hopefully those who are experts in the Quranic Arabic.Here are the verses
861
Waalssama-i waalttariqi862
Wama adraka ma alttariqu863
Alnnajmu alththaqibu864
In kullu nafsin lamma AAalayha hafithun865
Falyanthuri al-insanumimma khuliqa866
Khuliqa min ma-in dafiqin867
Yakhruju min bayni alssulbi waalttara-ibi868
Innahu AAala rajAAihi laqadirun869
Yawma tubla alssara-iru8610
Fama lahu min quwwatin wala nasirin8611
Waalssama-i thati alrrajAAi8612
Waal-ardi thati alssadAAi8613
Innahu laqawlun faslun8614
Wama huwa bialhazli8615
Innahum yakeedoona kaydan8616
Waakeedu kaydan8617
Famahhili alkafireena amhilhum ruwaydanHopefully someone with great knowledge in Arabic would come and give a good answer for everyone. Salam/Peace & Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you.
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https//allahsword.com/pdf/The_Quran_English_Translation_by_Abdel_Haleem.pdf
Problem is verse ( says so let the man reflect upon from what it was created.
So is it referring to initial creation in the evolutionary stage?
Here is Dr Shabbir's understanding from QXP
865
Let the human being, then, consider out of what he has been created.866
He has been created from turbulent water.867
That issued from between tough rocks and mingled dust.
