A phrase in the translated 5:12
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Salam/Peace dear brothers & sisters, i hope you are doing well. I have a question on the translated 512. Now i noticed something strange in few translations of 512
512
Walaqad akhatha Allahu meethaqabanee isra-eela wabaAAathna minhumu ithnay AAasharanaqeeban waqala Allahu innee maAAakum la-inaqamtumu alssalata waataytumu alzzakatawaamantum birusulee waAAazzartumoohum waaqradtumuAllaha qardan hasanan laokaffiranna AAankumsayyi-atikum walaodkhilannakum jannatin tajree mintahtiha al-anharu faman kafara baAAda thalikaminkum faqad dalla sawaa alssabeeli
God has taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and raised from them twelve representatives, and God said "I am with you if you hold the following closely, and contribute towards purification, and believe in My messengers, and support them, and lend God a loan of righteousness; then I will cancel your sins and admit you into estates with rivers flowing beneath them." Whoever rejects after this from you, then he has strayed from the path.Now i think you may noticed the phrase i may be referring to but let me make it clear,
The phrase
and God said "I am with you if you hold the following closely, and contribute towards purification, and believe in My messengers, and support them, and lend God a loan of righteousness; then I will cancel your sins and admit you into estates with rivers flowing beneath them."
The translated part "I am with you if you hold the following closely, and contribute towards purification, and believe in My messengers, and support them, and lend God a loan of righteousness" is the one i find it weird is that why is translation saying "I am with you if you hold the following closely, and contribute towards purification, and believe in My messengers" then saying "and lend God a loan of righteousness" like Allah/God (SWTAY) is using His own title/name as someone else then saying "then I will cancel your sins and admit you into gardens with rivers flowing beneath.". Now i could be completely wrong on my observation but could this be a poor translation?
I shall post this highlighted phrase
waaqradtumuAllaha qardan hasanan laokaffiranna AAankumsayyi-atikum walaodkhilannakum jannatin tajree mintahtiha al-anharu
So far i have received one answer from brother Noon Waalqalami
Peace, perhaps it's best to open topic so that others can contribute as well -- if the god is with anyone then none can oppose them.
512 and surely took the god agreement sons/children Israel and raise we of among them two ten (12) leaders of and said the god indeed I with you surely if establish you the connection and give you the recompense its and believe you in messengers mine and assist ye them and loan you the god loan of best of surely shall reject about you evil deeds yours and surely enters we you gardens flow from underneath it the rivers so who reject after such your among you so verily misguide sawa/equitable l-sabli/the path
Thanks for the answer brother. Allah/The God (SWTAY) bless you.
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Allah I Me We
I made a comment on that specific topic in https//www.facebook.com/groups/530609090483630/permalink/719731998238004/?comment_id=719740711570466&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D
I found something interesting brother because i checked from 2025 to 2035, Musa referred to Allah/God (SWTAY) in singular, here check the arabic of the verses
2025
Qala rabbi ishrah lee sadree2026
Wayassir lee amree2027
Waohlul AAuqdatan min lisanee2028
Yafqahoo qawlee2029
WaijAAal lee wazeeran min ahlee2030
Haroona akhee2031
Oshdud bihi azree2032
Waashrik-hu fee amree2033
Kay nusabbihaka katheeran2034
Wanathkuraka katheeran2035
Innaka kunta bina baseeranThen Allah/God (SWTAY) responded in plurality as you said
2036
Qala qad ooteeta su/laka yamoosa2037
Walaqad mananna AAalayka marratanokhraTo me that is interesting. By i checked the arabic in Quranix.org. Yes i can't arabic but Alhamdullilah/Praise be to Allah (SWTAY) Quranix.org arabic grammar check helped me to find out.
What do you think akhi?
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Salam/Peace dear brothers & sisters, i hope you are doing well. I have a question on the translated 512. Now i noticed something strange in few translations of 512
512
Walaqad akhatha Allahu meethaqabanee isra-eela wabaAAathna minhumu ithnay AAasharanaqeeban waqala Allahu innee maAAakum la-inaqamtumu alssalata waataytumu alzzakatawaamantum birusulee waAAazzartumoohum waaqradtumuAllaha qardan hasanan laokaffiranna AAankumsayyi-atikum walaodkhilannakum jannatin tajree mintahtiha al-anharu faman kafara baAAda thalikaminkum faqad dalla sawaa alssabeeli
God has taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and raised from them twelve representatives, and God said "I am with you if you hold the following closely, and contribute towards purification, and believe in My messengers, and support them, and lend God a loan of righteousness; then I will cancel your sins and admit you into estates with rivers flowing beneath them." Whoever rejects after this from you, then he has strayed from the path.Now i think you may noticed the phrase i may be referring to but let me make it clear,
The phrase
and God said "I am with you if you hold the following closely, and contribute towards purification, and believe in My messengers, and support them, and lend God a loan of righteousness; then I will cancel your sins and admit you into estates with rivers flowing beneath them."
The translated part "I am with you if you hold the following closely, and contribute towards purification, and believe in My messengers, and support them, and lend God a loan of righteousness" is the one i find it weird is that why is translation saying "I am with you if you hold the following closely, and contribute towards purification, and believe in My messengers" then saying "and lend God a loan of righteousness" like Allah/God (SWTAY) is using His own title/name as someone else then saying "then I will cancel your sins and admit you into gardens with rivers flowing beneath.". Now i could be completely wrong on my observation but could this be a poor translation?
I shall post this highlighted phrase
waaqradtumuAllaha qardan hasanan laokaffiranna AAankumsayyi-atikum walaodkhilannakum jannatin tajree mintahtiha al-anharu
So far i have received one answer from brother Noon Waalqalami
Thanks for the answer brother. Allah/The God (SWTAY) bless you.
Either I do ot understand what you are saying or I do not see in the original the problem you raise.
Salaam
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Jibril is narrating Allah took a covenant then telling we (angels) appointed a leader than quoting what Allah said.
That's interesting. Do you have any verses from Qur'an confirms it?
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Either I do ot understand what you are saying or I do not see in the original the problem you raise.
Salaam
I understand your confusion. Maybe i did not do a good explaining myself. My question was about this translated phrase
and God said "I am with you if you hold the following closely, and contribute towards purification, and believe in My messengers, and support them, and lend God a loan of righteousness; then I will cancel your sins and admit you into estates with rivers flowing beneath them."
Why does this translated phrase indicating Allah (SWTAY) using His own title in third-person (if that's the correct term) then referring Himself in first-person?
This is the original arabic phrase
waaqradtumuAllaha qardan hasanan laokaffiranna AAankumsayyi-atikum walaodkhilannakum jannatin tajree mintahtiha al-anharu
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Or I think that's the Sunnah of allah
Recommend examining the word sunnah in these verses 3137, 426, 838, 1513, 1777, 1777, 1855, 3338, 3362, 3362, 3543, 3543, 3543, 4085, 4823, 4823
Plus leaving the root word of sunnah.
Siin-Nun-Nun = to clean (the teeth), seize with the teeth, establish the law, follow a path, form. sinnun - tooth. sunnatun/sunanun - line of conduct, mode of life, behaviour, example, dispensation. masnun - formed, made/moulded into shape, polished, shiny and bright (face).
sanna vb. (1)
pcple. pass. 1526, 1528, 1533
sinn n.f. 545, 545
sunnah n.f. (pl. sunan) 3137, 426, 838, 1513, 1777, 1777, 1855, 3338, 3362, 3362, 3543, 3543, 3543, 4085, 4823, 4823LL, V4, p 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=snn
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I can't see your comment
Have you got an answerBold 1 Look for a guy called James Ada & check the replies to him.
Bold 2 I copied & pasted my answer here, check my reply #2
