Explanation 40:11

centi50

Salam to Novice and All,

When was the first death, second death, first life and second life.

God bless

Novice

Salam to Novice and All,

When was the first death, second death, first life and second life.

God bless

Salaam centi50

First life could be the life we are spending in this world and second life could be life of hereafter.

Two deaths could either be
our state before coming into this world and second death is when we leave this world OR
first death is when we leave this world and second death is the life of punishment of hell.

centi50

Salaam centi50

First life could be the life we are spending in this world and second life could be life of hereafter.

Two deaths could either be
our state before coming into this world and second death is when we leave this world OR
first death is when we leave this world and second death is the life of punishment of hell.

Thank you brother Novice for replies.

So is there Quranic ayat pointing to our first life and second life.

First death and second Death?

God bless

Mazhar

Salam to All,

Please can anyone explain this Ayat to me. What are these two death and two lives

They said, "Our Lord, twice You have put us to death and twice You have brought us to life; now we have confessed our sins, is there any way out?" 4011

God bless

Speakers and the Listener know the fact. Speakers priortized causing death twice. Death is caused to a living entity. And that entity is firstly given life from the state of matter. Second life can be given to a dead person. They delayed the fact of giving life twice. And mentioned a past event of second life in the following clause.

The second sentence is dependent clause with particle Fa which relates to cause and effect,

When they had confessed their sins - refer 23100

These are the people who are destined to Hell Prison. They used to say there is only one death 4434

In contrast the People destined Paradise had only one death -- refer 4456

Then please read the rule in 4521.

In contrast please see the statement of people of Paradise in 3759; they experienced only one death.

good_logic

Peace All.
This is crystal clear228

Kuntum Amwatan ,----we were dead the first time means we were alive before that. Otherwise we would have been non existent. We die only if we were alive prior to death. Hence we had a first life and we were put to death.
Then we were made alive again (as humans)a second time---Fa Ahyakum--- Thumma yumeetukkum... Then we will be made alive a third time ----Resurrection.
is this not a logical interpretation of the verse?
GOD bless
Peace

Mazhar

When a living dies he is called or becomes http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00086.%20Maut%20Meem%20Waw%20Ta%20death%20matter/57.gif and plural http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00086.%20Maut%20Meem%20Waw%20Ta%20death%20matter/58.gif
Man is given life from matter.

Novice

Peace All.
This is crystal clear228

Kuntum Amwatan ,----we were dead the first time means we were alive before that. Otherwise we would have been non existent. We die only if we were alive prior to death. Hence we had a first life and we were put to death.

Kuntum Amwatan...you used to be dead -- does not say first time or we were alive before that.

Our creation was started from inorganic materials which are dead from our perspective. So that dead matrial was changed into life then after lifetime this live person becomes dead and then will be raised again.

Salaam

Novice

Thank you brother Novice for replies.

So is there Quranic ayat pointing to our first life and second life.

First death and second Death?

God bless

Please see ayats quoted by brother Mazhar and reflect. People of hell will have a second death when they suffer in hell.
People of paradise will have one death in this world and then they will live in paradise as long as our Rubb wishes.

Salaam

Mazhar

Please see ayats quoted by brother Mazhar and reflect. People of hell will have a second death when they suffer in hell.
People of paradise will have one death in this world and then they will live in paradise as long as our Rubb wishes.

Salaam

Please reconsider, they said they have already experienced two deaths. And then saying that last time in second life we had confessed the guilt, and then ask whether there is now escape.

Novice

Please reconsider, they said they have already experienced two deaths. And then saying that last time in second life we had confessed the guilt, and then ask whether there is now escape.

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Surely those who rejected, are/will be called that Allah's dislike is greater than your dislike. When you were invited to the imaan then you rejected.....So this ayat is referring to time when they will be given life after their death in this world.

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They said our Rabb you give us death twice and gave us life twice, So we accept our misdeeds so is there any exit from it.

Here it seems that second death is their life in hell which is named as death and that is why they are asking for an exit from this situation.

(There are many times when situation of future life is told in past tense.)

That is because when you were invited to Allah alone you rejected but when He was associated you believed so now the Command is for Allah the high the great.

This ayat further give me understanding that their second death is their stay in hell because of their rejection.

imrankhawaja

peace guys,

i was looking for this verse may b its reffering to reincarnation ?

Mazhar

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Surely those who rejected, are/will be called that Allah's dislike is greater than your dislike. When you were invited to the imaan then you rejected.....So this ayat is referring to time when they will be given life after their death in this world.

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They said our Rabb you give us death twice and gave us life twice, So we accept our misdeeds so is there any exit from it.

Here it seems that second death is their life in hell which is named as death and that is why they are asking for an exit from this situation.

(There are many times when situation of future life is told in past tense.)

That is because when you were invited to Allah alone you rejected but when He was associated you believed so now the Command is for Allah the high the great.

This ayat further give me understanding that their second death is their stay in hell because of their rejection.

Yes the Hereafter events are mentioned in Future Perfect to emphasize certainty as if it is history.
In the First Ayah they are reminded what they were habitually doing in their worldly life.

Certainly those who had disavowed will be reminded of their state?
"Indeed in the judgment of Allah it was more inappropriate and abominable act than the irritating vile of you people which your selves felt when you were invited towards the Belief, whereupon you kept refuting it".

Responding to it they state how they were already dealt with for their conduct

They said, "Our Sustainer Lord, You earlier did cause us death on two occasions when You had given us life twice;
Thereby, we had confessed our sins
Thereby, is there any way of getting out?"

The answer to the fact or subtle complaint of giving twice life and twice death is given in the dependent clause beginning with Demonstrative pronoun

"This was for the reason that you people refused to accept when Allah was mentioned as "He is the One"
But if a partner was joined with Him you believed that (duality).
Therefore, the decision/command (regarding the way out) is for Allah, the Exalted, the Greatest."

good_logic

Peace Novice.
You mean our bodies that we are coupled with as humans were created as follows? Quote

Our creation was started from inorganic materials which are dead from our perspective. So that dead matrial was changed into life then after lifetime this live person becomes dead and then will be raised again.

I believe originally, before our first creation we were "nothing", no matter ,no materials, Zilch(Kun Fayakun)
1967

1967
Did the human being forget that we created him Min Kablu, and he was nothing?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

centi50

Salam to All,

So does this mean we exsisted before being born here in this world?

God bless

good_logic

Peace centi50.
For me it can only mean that we had a life before this one.

If ,quote Kuntum Amwatan...you used to be dead -- does not say first time or we were alive before that.

The word "Amwatan" would not have been used , as Mawt only follows a life. You could not die if you were not alive .
If it means we were materials or mud or other ,then we were not dead!!!
Also as I pointed out ,there is a clear verse(1967) that says we started out from "NOTHING". This must have been before the first life.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mazhar

When a living dies he is called or becomes http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00086.%20Maut%20Meem%20Waw%20Ta%20death%20matter/57.gif and plural http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00086.%20Maut%20Meem%20Waw%20Ta%20death%20matter/58.gif
Man is given life from matter.

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Statues are made of matter

good_logic

Peace Mazhar.
Where did you get "Statues" from the verse

The verse is talking about calling on "others" like Jesus ,Mohammed, saints, other creations as "gods beside GOD Alone".
And these, gods like Jesus, Mohammed...etc are dead not alive
That verse is not talking about the statues but about the humans/other gods they represent for those who idolise them!!!
GOD bless you..
Peace

Mazhar

Peace Mazhar.
Where did you get "Statues" from the verse

The verse is talking about calling on "others" like Jesus ,Mohammed, saints, other creations as "gods beside GOD Alone".
And these, gods like Jesus, Mohammed...etc are dead not alive
That verse is not talking about the statues but about the humans/other gods they represent for those who idolise them!!!
GOD bless you..
Peace

Please read again the Ayah fullt, the characteristic of those whom people call.

good_logic

Honestly brother mazhar, you will argue even with statues!
I get you. The verse is about statues because you say so even if it has nothing to do with statues.
I am wasting my time ,it is like talking to statues,

Common brother Mazhar,! The Aya is not talking about statues. and you know it. Dead prophets and dead partners with GOD are the subject.
Anyway, you may carry on with the argument, like you always do, but please do not get into the grammar, verbs, characteristics, adjectives...of the verse. You will lose me otherwise.
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Novice

Peace Novice.
You mean our bodies that we are coupled with as humans were created as follows? Quote

Our creation was started from inorganic materials which are dead from our perspective. So that dead matrial was changed into life then after lifetime this live person becomes dead and then will be raised again.

I believe originally, before our first creation we were "nothing", no matter ,no materials, Zilch(Kun Fayakun)
1967

1967
Did the human being forget that we created him Min Kablu, and he was nothing?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace GL

482

Do they not reflect on Quran, had it been from other than Allah they would have found many differences in it.

Quran does not contradict itself. It has given us information on how we were evolved. To cite few examples

359

......He created him from dust......

62

He who created you all from mud......

712

.......You created him from mud

1526

We created the man from sounding decayed clay

and on and on...

Now coming to your cited ayat

1967

Does the insaan not recall that indeed We created him before and he was nothing.

Thay ayat does not say he was created out of nothing rather it says he was nothing before creation.

Hope I made myself clear.