Explanation 40:11
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Peace All.
This is crystal clear228Kuntum Amwatan ,----we were dead the first time means we were alive before that. Otherwise we would have been non existent. We die only if we were alive prior to death. Hence we had a first life and we were put to death.
Kuntum Amwatan...you used to be dead -- does not say first time or we were alive before that.
Our creation was started from inorganic materials which are dead from our perspective. So that dead matrial was changed into life then after lifetime this live person becomes dead and then will be raised again.
Salaam
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Thank you brother Novice for replies.
So is there Quranic ayat pointing to our first life and second life.
First death and second Death?
God bless
Please see ayats quoted by brother Mazhar and reflect. People of hell will have a second death when they suffer in hell.
People of paradise will have one death in this world and then they will live in paradise as long as our Rubb wishes.Salaam
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Please see ayats quoted by brother Mazhar and reflect. People of hell will have a second death when they suffer in hell.
People of paradise will have one death in this world and then they will live in paradise as long as our Rubb wishes.Salaam
Please reconsider, they said they have already experienced two deaths. And then saying that last time in second life we had confessed the guilt, and then ask whether there is now escape.
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Please reconsider, they said they have already experienced two deaths. And then saying that last time in second life we had confessed the guilt, and then ask whether there is now escape.
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Surely those who rejected, are/will be called that Allah's dislike is greater than your dislike. When you were invited to the imaan then you rejected.....So this ayat is referring to time when they will be given life after their death in this world.
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They said our Rabb you give us death twice and gave us life twice, So we accept our misdeeds so is there any exit from it.
Here it seems that second death is their life in hell which is named as death and that is why they are asking for an exit from this situation.
(There are many times when situation of future life is told in past tense.)
That is because when you were invited to Allah alone you rejected but when He was associated you believed so now the Command is for Allah the high the great.
This ayat further give me understanding that their second death is their stay in hell because of their rejection.
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peace guys,
i was looking for this verse may b its reffering to reincarnation ?
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Surely those who rejected, are/will be called that Allah's dislike is greater than your dislike. When you were invited to the imaan then you rejected.....So this ayat is referring to time when they will be given life after their death in this world.
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They said our Rabb you give us death twice and gave us life twice, So we accept our misdeeds so is there any exit from it.
Here it seems that second death is their life in hell which is named as death and that is why they are asking for an exit from this situation.
(There are many times when situation of future life is told in past tense.)
That is because when you were invited to Allah alone you rejected but when He was associated you believed so now the Command is for Allah the high the great.
This ayat further give me understanding that their second death is their stay in hell because of their rejection.
Yes the Hereafter events are mentioned in Future Perfect to emphasize certainty as if it is history.
In the First Ayah they are reminded what they were habitually doing in their worldly life.Certainly those who had disavowed will be reminded of their state?
"Indeed in the judgment of Allah it was more inappropriate and abominable act than the irritating vile of you people which your selves felt when you were invited towards the Belief, whereupon you kept refuting it".Responding to it they state how they were already dealt with for their conduct
They said, "Our Sustainer Lord, You earlier did cause us death on two occasions when You had given us life twice;
Thereby, we had confessed our sins
Thereby, is there any way of getting out?"The answer to the fact or subtle complaint of giving twice life and twice death is given in the dependent clause beginning with Demonstrative pronoun
"This was for the reason that you people refused to accept when Allah was mentioned as "He is the One"
But if a partner was joined with Him you believed that (duality).
Therefore, the decision/command (regarding the way out) is for Allah, the Exalted, the Greatest." -
Peace Novice.
You mean our bodies that we are coupled with as humans were created as follows? QuoteOur creation was started from inorganic materials which are dead from our perspective. So that dead matrial was changed into life then after lifetime this live person becomes dead and then will be raised again.
I believe originally, before our first creation we were "nothing", no matter ,no materials, Zilch(Kun Fayakun)
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Did the human being forget that we created him Min Kablu, and he was nothing?
GOD bless you.
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Peace centi50.
For me it can only mean that we had a life before this one.If ,quote Kuntum Amwatan...you used to be dead -- does not say first time or we were alive before that.
The word "Amwatan" would not have been used , as Mawt only follows a life. You could not die if you were not alive .
If it means we were materials or mud or other ,then we were not dead!!!
Also as I pointed out ,there is a clear verse(1967) that says we started out from "NOTHING". This must have been before the first life.
GOD bless you.
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When a living dies he is called or becomes http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00086.%20Maut%20Meem%20Waw%20Ta%20death%20matter/57.gif and plural http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00086.%20Maut%20Meem%20Waw%20Ta%20death%20matter/58.gif
Man is given life from matter.http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/039.%20Az%20Zumar/39.30PP.gif
Statues are made of matter
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Peace Mazhar.
Where did you get "Statues" from the verseThe verse is talking about calling on "others" like Jesus ,Mohammed, saints, other creations as "gods beside GOD Alone".
And these, gods like Jesus, Mohammed...etc are dead not alive
That verse is not talking about the statues but about the humans/other gods they represent for those who idolise them!!!
GOD bless you..
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Peace Mazhar.
Where did you get "Statues" from the verseThe verse is talking about calling on "others" like Jesus ,Mohammed, saints, other creations as "gods beside GOD Alone".
And these, gods like Jesus, Mohammed...etc are dead not alive
That verse is not talking about the statues but about the humans/other gods they represent for those who idolise them!!!
GOD bless you..
PeacePlease read again the Ayah fullt, the characteristic of those whom people call.
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Honestly brother mazhar, you will argue even with statues!
I get you. The verse is about statues because you say so even if it has nothing to do with statues.
I am wasting my time ,it is like talking to statues,Common brother Mazhar,! The Aya is not talking about statues. and you know it. Dead prophets and dead partners with GOD are the subject.
Anyway, you may carry on with the argument, like you always do, but please do not get into the grammar, verbs, characteristics, adjectives...of the verse. You will lose me otherwise.
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Novice.
You mean our bodies that we are coupled with as humans were created as follows? QuoteOur creation was started from inorganic materials which are dead from our perspective. So that dead matrial was changed into life then after lifetime this live person becomes dead and then will be raised again.
I believe originally, before our first creation we were "nothing", no matter ,no materials, Zilch(Kun Fayakun)
19671967
Did the human being forget that we created him Min Kablu, and he was nothing?
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace GL
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Do they not reflect on Quran, had it been from other than Allah they would have found many differences in it.
Quran does not contradict itself. It has given us information on how we were evolved. To cite few examples
359
......He created him from dust......
62
He who created you all from mud......
712
.......You created him from mud
1526
We created the man from sounding decayed clay
and on and on...
Now coming to your cited ayat
1967
Does the insaan not recall that indeed We created him before and he was nothing.
Thay ayat does not say he was created out of nothing rather it says he was nothing before creation.
Hope I made myself clear.
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Peace GL
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Do they not reflect on Quran, had it been from other than Allah they would have found many differences in it.
Quran does not contradict itself. It has given us information on how we were evolved. To cite few examples
359
......He created him from dust......
62
He who created you all from mud......
712
.......You created him from mud
1526
We created the man from sounding decayed clay
and on and on...
Now coming to your cited ayat
1967
Does the insaan not recall that indeed We created him before and he was nothing.
Thay ayat does not say he was created out of nothing rather it says he was nothing before creation.
Hope I made myself clear.
Very good, very clear.
The details of the raw material are explicitly mentioned. I have compiled them, and analysed the words describing them.
Human Being - the Blue eyed of created realm
Introduction
Man is the cause behind the creation of physical realm.In English Frame Index the Creation, Create physical artwork, Create representation, Intentionally create is defined "The Creator creates a new entity, the Created entity, possibly out of Components"; "A Creator creates an artifact that is typically an iconic Representation of an actual or imagined entity or event. The Representation may also be evocative of an idea while not based on resemblance"; A Creator produces a physical object which is to serve as a Representation of an actual or imagined entity or event, the Represented".
In Arabic the semantic frame Creation is embedded in Root . Ibn Faris in his famous lexicon stated about this Root
That it signifies the act of determining the measures and proportionality of a thing to other things, and then smoothening of the object.
Its general perception and meanings as creation are well known. The basic perception is that of the idea and intention of giving existence to the intended object. Thus the thing is created and exists firstly in Abstract Realm before it takes existence in the Physical Realm.
The words that stem from this Root are result oriented. The irreducible semantic features of this Root are
(1) A living Who is the creator of the object;
(2) The will - decision taken by the living to create;
(3) The purpose the Creator has in mind to create the object;
(4) For what or for whom it is meant;
(5) Idea - blue print - determination of measures and proportionality of the thing to other things that creates interrelationships before the object takes existence;
(6) The span of time it will continue to exist or live.
(7) Assigning a name to the object for its cognition.
The first occurrence of the word "creation" is about Man's creation, reflecting the honour he has in the physical realm, though he was made to emerge in physical form when all arrangements commensurate to his status and security were set in place
http//haqeeqat.pk/Human%20being.htm
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Peace Mazhar.
Where did you get "Statues" from the verseThe verse is talking about calling on "others" like Jesus ,Mohammed, saints, other creations as "gods beside GOD Alone".
And these, gods like Jesus, Mohammed...etc are dead not alive
That verse is not talking about the statues but about the humans/other gods they represent for those who idolise them!!!
GOD bless you..
PeaceEverything you may have might be good, minus logic. Please study the whole Qur'aan you will find nowhere it is alleged what you say. Just check you will find the names of gods besides Allah and they are hand sculpted idols, statutes.
Prepositional Phrase coupled with Possessive Phrase occurs 71 times. Ayahs where it occurs are mentioned here
http//haqeeqat.pk/208.MinDooniAllahe.htm Pl study them in context, Allah willing confusion will be over.
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Peace Novice.
Indeed Qoran does not contradict itself. So this here, quoteThay ayat does not say he was created out of nothing rather it says he was nothing before creation.
How can this not contradict your ayat about creating the human from Teen,Turab...?
Are these materials nothing? Remember "Chaiian" in Arabic means Zero things. So the human was Teen, turab, water...But not zero thing?
Also when did this happen(7112)?
We may not have existed as humans before, but as souls(with other coupling body) we certainly have. Just like after the resurrection, our souls will be coupled with something else. i.e we will not be humans in this dying body!Questions to ponder
What is the original sin? What sin did you yourself commit to be given a trial here as human?
Why has GOD created humans to live on earth with a massive universe?
What is the meaning of(38 67-74)?
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
I am surprised at your understanding of this
...GOD is giving you an example here. The verse is saying following /idolising others is like following the statues you make of them/things that do not think/ ,and GOD even says elsewhere in Qoran it is like following/idolising nothing. NO benefit from it.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
I am surprised at your understanding of this
...GOD is giving you an example here. The verse is saying following /idolising others is like following the statues you make of them/things that do not think/ ,and GOD even says elsewhere in Qoran it is like following/idolising nothing. NO benefit from it.
GOD bless you.
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Salaam GL
Remember "Chaiian" in Arabic means Zero things.
The root for the noun "Chaiian" is which means "to wish". Please share your Arabic source which says "Chaiian" means Zero thing.
Also when did this happen(7112)?
I guess brother you are referring to 7172 which has been happening all the times in human history and will continue to happen.
We may not have existed as humans before, but as souls(with other coupling body) we certainly have. Just like after the resurrection, our souls will be coupled with something else. i.e we will not be humans in this dying body!
What is the proof for your above statement brother.
Questions to ponder
What is the original sin? What sin did you yourself commit to be given a trial here as human?There is no concept of original sin in Quran. There is no trial for humans here rather it is an opportunity given to us to give "zaka" to our "Nafs".
Brother lets clear above points for our benefit.