Explanation 40:11
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Peace Mazhar.
Where did you get "Statues" from the verseThe verse is talking about calling on "others" like Jesus ,Mohammed, saints, other creations as "gods beside GOD Alone".
And these, gods like Jesus, Mohammed...etc are dead not alive
That verse is not talking about the statues but about the humans/other gods they represent for those who idolise them!!!
GOD bless you..
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Peace Mazhar.
Where did you get "Statues" from the verseThe verse is talking about calling on "others" like Jesus ,Mohammed, saints, other creations as "gods beside GOD Alone".
And these, gods like Jesus, Mohammed...etc are dead not alive
That verse is not talking about the statues but about the humans/other gods they represent for those who idolise them!!!
GOD bless you..
PeacePlease read again the Ayah fullt, the characteristic of those whom people call.
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Honestly brother mazhar, you will argue even with statues!
I get you. The verse is about statues because you say so even if it has nothing to do with statues.
I am wasting my time ,it is like talking to statues,Common brother Mazhar,! The Aya is not talking about statues. and you know it. Dead prophets and dead partners with GOD are the subject.
Anyway, you may carry on with the argument, like you always do, but please do not get into the grammar, verbs, characteristics, adjectives...of the verse. You will lose me otherwise.
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Novice.
You mean our bodies that we are coupled with as humans were created as follows? QuoteOur creation was started from inorganic materials which are dead from our perspective. So that dead matrial was changed into life then after lifetime this live person becomes dead and then will be raised again.
I believe originally, before our first creation we were "nothing", no matter ,no materials, Zilch(Kun Fayakun)
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Did the human being forget that we created him Min Kablu, and he was nothing?
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace GL
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Do they not reflect on Quran, had it been from other than Allah they would have found many differences in it.
Quran does not contradict itself. It has given us information on how we were evolved. To cite few examples
359
......He created him from dust......
62
He who created you all from mud......
712
.......You created him from mud
1526
We created the man from sounding decayed clay
and on and on...
Now coming to your cited ayat
1967
Does the insaan not recall that indeed We created him before and he was nothing.
Thay ayat does not say he was created out of nothing rather it says he was nothing before creation.
Hope I made myself clear.
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Peace GL
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Do they not reflect on Quran, had it been from other than Allah they would have found many differences in it.
Quran does not contradict itself. It has given us information on how we were evolved. To cite few examples
359
......He created him from dust......
62
He who created you all from mud......
712
.......You created him from mud
1526
We created the man from sounding decayed clay
and on and on...
Now coming to your cited ayat
1967
Does the insaan not recall that indeed We created him before and he was nothing.
Thay ayat does not say he was created out of nothing rather it says he was nothing before creation.
Hope I made myself clear.
Very good, very clear.
The details of the raw material are explicitly mentioned. I have compiled them, and analysed the words describing them.
Human Being - the Blue eyed of created realm
Introduction
Man is the cause behind the creation of physical realm.In English Frame Index the Creation, Create physical artwork, Create representation, Intentionally create is defined "The Creator creates a new entity, the Created entity, possibly out of Components"; "A Creator creates an artifact that is typically an iconic Representation of an actual or imagined entity or event. The Representation may also be evocative of an idea while not based on resemblance"; A Creator produces a physical object which is to serve as a Representation of an actual or imagined entity or event, the Represented".
In Arabic the semantic frame Creation is embedded in Root . Ibn Faris in his famous lexicon stated about this Root
That it signifies the act of determining the measures and proportionality of a thing to other things, and then smoothening of the object.
Its general perception and meanings as creation are well known. The basic perception is that of the idea and intention of giving existence to the intended object. Thus the thing is created and exists firstly in Abstract Realm before it takes existence in the Physical Realm.
The words that stem from this Root are result oriented. The irreducible semantic features of this Root are
(1) A living Who is the creator of the object;
(2) The will - decision taken by the living to create;
(3) The purpose the Creator has in mind to create the object;
(4) For what or for whom it is meant;
(5) Idea - blue print - determination of measures and proportionality of the thing to other things that creates interrelationships before the object takes existence;
(6) The span of time it will continue to exist or live.
(7) Assigning a name to the object for its cognition.
The first occurrence of the word "creation" is about Man's creation, reflecting the honour he has in the physical realm, though he was made to emerge in physical form when all arrangements commensurate to his status and security were set in place
http//haqeeqat.pk/Human%20being.htm
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Peace Mazhar.
Where did you get "Statues" from the verseThe verse is talking about calling on "others" like Jesus ,Mohammed, saints, other creations as "gods beside GOD Alone".
And these, gods like Jesus, Mohammed...etc are dead not alive
That verse is not talking about the statues but about the humans/other gods they represent for those who idolise them!!!
GOD bless you..
PeaceEverything you may have might be good, minus logic. Please study the whole Qur'aan you will find nowhere it is alleged what you say. Just check you will find the names of gods besides Allah and they are hand sculpted idols, statutes.
Prepositional Phrase coupled with Possessive Phrase occurs 71 times. Ayahs where it occurs are mentioned here
http//haqeeqat.pk/208.MinDooniAllahe.htm Pl study them in context, Allah willing confusion will be over.
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Peace Novice.
Indeed Qoran does not contradict itself. So this here, quoteThay ayat does not say he was created out of nothing rather it says he was nothing before creation.
How can this not contradict your ayat about creating the human from Teen,Turab...?
Are these materials nothing? Remember "Chaiian" in Arabic means Zero things. So the human was Teen, turab, water...But not zero thing?
Also when did this happen(7112)?
We may not have existed as humans before, but as souls(with other coupling body) we certainly have. Just like after the resurrection, our souls will be coupled with something else. i.e we will not be humans in this dying body!Questions to ponder
What is the original sin? What sin did you yourself commit to be given a trial here as human?
Why has GOD created humans to live on earth with a massive universe?
What is the meaning of(38 67-74)?
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
I am surprised at your understanding of this
...GOD is giving you an example here. The verse is saying following /idolising others is like following the statues you make of them/things that do not think/ ,and GOD even says elsewhere in Qoran it is like following/idolising nothing. NO benefit from it.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
I am surprised at your understanding of this
...GOD is giving you an example here. The verse is saying following /idolising others is like following the statues you make of them/things that do not think/ ,and GOD even says elsewhere in Qoran it is like following/idolising nothing. NO benefit from it.
GOD bless you.
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Salaam GL
Remember "Chaiian" in Arabic means Zero things.
The root for the noun "Chaiian" is which means "to wish". Please share your Arabic source which says "Chaiian" means Zero thing.
Also when did this happen(7112)?
I guess brother you are referring to 7172 which has been happening all the times in human history and will continue to happen.
We may not have existed as humans before, but as souls(with other coupling body) we certainly have. Just like after the resurrection, our souls will be coupled with something else. i.e we will not be humans in this dying body!
What is the proof for your above statement brother.
Questions to ponder
What is the original sin? What sin did you yourself commit to be given a trial here as human?There is no concept of original sin in Quran. There is no trial for humans here rather it is an opportunity given to us to give "zaka" to our "Nafs".
Brother lets clear above points for our benefit.
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Peace Mazhar.
People make statues to represent other "gods" ,
Exactly the same meaning as the verse before brother! just represents the "gods" they idolise.You should know this ,Hindus do this with many gods.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
People make statues to represent other "gods" ,
Exactly the same meaning as the verse before brother! just represents the "gods" they idolise.You should know this ,Hindus do this with many gods.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Then you may have also read what they idolize are imaginary names, not real names which you keep mentioning as idols.
They carved stones, gave them a name and declared them as gods besides Allah and started worshiping them.
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Peace Novice
1-So "Lam Yukun Chaian" means he was not what he wished?
In Arabic it means "He was nothing/zero"
Like "Wa Ma MIn Chaiin" means everything. Surely not wishes?
"Yachau" is to wish. Are you sure you are not mixing up words?2-Sorry yes(7172). My understanding is different. I will elaborate at the end of the last point.
3-Humans means determined time. The body rots. After the resurrection Earth and the universe will be changed. We will be changed to be accommodated in a different domain. That is the message from Qoran.
Or are you expecting to stay human and repeat the cycle? "Wa Zawajnahum " It means we will be coupled with a new body" it does not mean giving us virgin spouses. There will be no reproduction.4-So who is this verse(435) addressed to first?
And why are the addressed "musrifeen"?
It is this concept in Qoran I was referring to as "original sin"Coming back to 7172, in my opinion it refers to the time of 3867 and before we were made humans.. GOD has made this particular covenant with every human .
Also this life is a trial(yabluakum) 672
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
You say, quote
They carved stones, gave them a name and declared them as gods besides Allah and started worshiping them.So you acknowledge that people make statues to represent their "god". Hence they idolise/follow their god. The statues are there because what they idolise are dead ,not with them.
The stones have no meaning on their own, The verses with "taabudoon" are meant for the "represented gods".
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
You say, quote
They carved stones, gave them a name and declared them as gods besides Allah and started worshiping them.So you acknowledge that people make statues to represent their "god". Hence they idolise/follow their god. The statues are there because what they idolise are dead ,not with them.
The stones have no meaning on their own, The verses with "taabudoon" are meant for the "represented gods".
GOD bless you.
Peace.They "represent" none. These are no more stones. They are personified by giving them a imaginative names and are declared they are gods. When they see or worship it they have no other image in their heads except it. Thereby, they represent none else.
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Peace Mazhar.
How can a statue not represent someone? It even looks human, so what you say reflects what I keep saying to you.
You want it your way and you will keep saying so.
As far as I can see and say, we have reached the end of the circle.
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Al-A'raf 7172
And when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, , "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware."
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Peace Mazhar.
How can a statue not represent someone? It even looks human, so what you say reflects what I keep saying to you.
You want it your way and you will keep saying so.
As far as I can see and say, we have reached the end of the circle.
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.What you name are real names. While statute gods are given hypothetical names that is why they represent no further image. I don't know why not you get this simple thing.
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Brother Mazhar, the statues are going to disown their followers on the day of judgement?
Jesus, Mohammed ...Those humans ,Malaika, Jinns(No stones or statues!!) are going to disown those who idolised them.
"Yakfuroona Bishirkikum" "Wala Unabbiuka mithlu Khabir".
I have said all I have to say on this issue.
GOD bless you.
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1-So "Lam Yukun Chaian" means he was not what he wished?
No. "Lam Yukun Chaian" means he was nothing.
Past tense verb from root is Sh'aa which means "he wished" and present tense is yasha'u which means "he wishes/will wish".is a noun from this root which means thing, or matter, or issue or affair. I leave it to you to figure out how root meaning are reflected in this noun.
In Arabic it means "He was nothing/zero"
Correct he was nothing before its creation. It does not mean that he was created from nothing. Qur'an informs us that he was created from inorganic material... turab, teen etc
3-Humans means determined time. The body rots. After the resurrection Earth and the universe will be changed. We will be changed to be accommodated in a different domain. That is the message from Qoran.
Or are you expecting to stay human and repeat the cycle? "Wa Zawajnahum " It means we will be coupled with a new body" it does not mean giving us virgin spouses. There will be no reproduction.Irrelevant to out discussion.
4-So who is this verse(435) addressed to first?
And why are the addressed "musrifeen"?
It is this concept in Qoran I was referring to as "original sin"You have the right to make your opinion. For me there is no "original sin" in this ayat.
Coming back to 7172, in my opinion it refers to the time of 3867 and before we were made humans.. GOD has made this particular covenant with every human .
Also this life is a trial(yabluakum) 672
GOD bless you.
Peace.There is no base to contact 3867 with 7172
"Yabluakum" comes from root which has the basic meaning of "to portray the reality".
Why all knowing God would test man? He gives us opportunity in this life to develop our nafs and to show our real self during the time of difficulty. At the end successful are those who have developed their nafs and will progress into next life of Jannah.
Salaam