Explanation 40:11
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Peace Novice.
Indeed Qoran does not contradict itself. So this here, quoteThay ayat does not say he was created out of nothing rather it says he was nothing before creation.
How can this not contradict your ayat about creating the human from Teen,Turab...?
Are these materials nothing? Remember "Chaiian" in Arabic means Zero things. So the human was Teen, turab, water...But not zero thing?
Also when did this happen(7112)?
We may not have existed as humans before, but as souls(with other coupling body) we certainly have. Just like after the resurrection, our souls will be coupled with something else. i.e we will not be humans in this dying body!Questions to ponder
What is the original sin? What sin did you yourself commit to be given a trial here as human?
Why has GOD created humans to live on earth with a massive universe?
What is the meaning of(38 67-74)?
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
I am surprised at your understanding of this
...GOD is giving you an example here. The verse is saying following /idolising others is like following the statues you make of them/things that do not think/ ,and GOD even says elsewhere in Qoran it is like following/idolising nothing. NO benefit from it.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
I am surprised at your understanding of this
...GOD is giving you an example here. The verse is saying following /idolising others is like following the statues you make of them/things that do not think/ ,and GOD even says elsewhere in Qoran it is like following/idolising nothing. NO benefit from it.
GOD bless you.
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Salaam GL
Remember "Chaiian" in Arabic means Zero things.
The root for the noun "Chaiian" is which means "to wish". Please share your Arabic source which says "Chaiian" means Zero thing.
Also when did this happen(7112)?
I guess brother you are referring to 7172 which has been happening all the times in human history and will continue to happen.
We may not have existed as humans before, but as souls(with other coupling body) we certainly have. Just like after the resurrection, our souls will be coupled with something else. i.e we will not be humans in this dying body!
What is the proof for your above statement brother.
Questions to ponder
What is the original sin? What sin did you yourself commit to be given a trial here as human?There is no concept of original sin in Quran. There is no trial for humans here rather it is an opportunity given to us to give "zaka" to our "Nafs".
Brother lets clear above points for our benefit.
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Peace Mazhar.
People make statues to represent other "gods" ,
Exactly the same meaning as the verse before brother! just represents the "gods" they idolise.You should know this ,Hindus do this with many gods.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
People make statues to represent other "gods" ,
Exactly the same meaning as the verse before brother! just represents the "gods" they idolise.You should know this ,Hindus do this with many gods.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Then you may have also read what they idolize are imaginary names, not real names which you keep mentioning as idols.
They carved stones, gave them a name and declared them as gods besides Allah and started worshiping them.
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Peace Novice
1-So "Lam Yukun Chaian" means he was not what he wished?
In Arabic it means "He was nothing/zero"
Like "Wa Ma MIn Chaiin" means everything. Surely not wishes?
"Yachau" is to wish. Are you sure you are not mixing up words?2-Sorry yes(7172). My understanding is different. I will elaborate at the end of the last point.
3-Humans means determined time. The body rots. After the resurrection Earth and the universe will be changed. We will be changed to be accommodated in a different domain. That is the message from Qoran.
Or are you expecting to stay human and repeat the cycle? "Wa Zawajnahum " It means we will be coupled with a new body" it does not mean giving us virgin spouses. There will be no reproduction.4-So who is this verse(435) addressed to first?
And why are the addressed "musrifeen"?
It is this concept in Qoran I was referring to as "original sin"Coming back to 7172, in my opinion it refers to the time of 3867 and before we were made humans.. GOD has made this particular covenant with every human .
Also this life is a trial(yabluakum) 672
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
You say, quote
They carved stones, gave them a name and declared them as gods besides Allah and started worshiping them.So you acknowledge that people make statues to represent their "god". Hence they idolise/follow their god. The statues are there because what they idolise are dead ,not with them.
The stones have no meaning on their own, The verses with "taabudoon" are meant for the "represented gods".
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
You say, quote
They carved stones, gave them a name and declared them as gods besides Allah and started worshiping them.So you acknowledge that people make statues to represent their "god". Hence they idolise/follow their god. The statues are there because what they idolise are dead ,not with them.
The stones have no meaning on their own, The verses with "taabudoon" are meant for the "represented gods".
GOD bless you.
Peace.They "represent" none. These are no more stones. They are personified by giving them a imaginative names and are declared they are gods. When they see or worship it they have no other image in their heads except it. Thereby, they represent none else.
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Peace Mazhar.
How can a statue not represent someone? It even looks human, so what you say reflects what I keep saying to you.
You want it your way and you will keep saying so.
As far as I can see and say, we have reached the end of the circle.
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Al-A'raf 7172
And when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, , "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware."
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Peace Mazhar.
How can a statue not represent someone? It even looks human, so what you say reflects what I keep saying to you.
You want it your way and you will keep saying so.
As far as I can see and say, we have reached the end of the circle.
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.What you name are real names. While statute gods are given hypothetical names that is why they represent no further image. I don't know why not you get this simple thing.
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Brother Mazhar, the statues are going to disown their followers on the day of judgement?
Jesus, Mohammed ...Those humans ,Malaika, Jinns(No stones or statues!!) are going to disown those who idolised them.
"Yakfuroona Bishirkikum" "Wala Unabbiuka mithlu Khabir".
I have said all I have to say on this issue.
GOD bless you.
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1-So "Lam Yukun Chaian" means he was not what he wished?
No. "Lam Yukun Chaian" means he was nothing.
Past tense verb from root is Sh'aa which means "he wished" and present tense is yasha'u which means "he wishes/will wish".is a noun from this root which means thing, or matter, or issue or affair. I leave it to you to figure out how root meaning are reflected in this noun.
In Arabic it means "He was nothing/zero"
Correct he was nothing before its creation. It does not mean that he was created from nothing. Qur'an informs us that he was created from inorganic material... turab, teen etc
3-Humans means determined time. The body rots. After the resurrection Earth and the universe will be changed. We will be changed to be accommodated in a different domain. That is the message from Qoran.
Or are you expecting to stay human and repeat the cycle? "Wa Zawajnahum " It means we will be coupled with a new body" it does not mean giving us virgin spouses. There will be no reproduction.Irrelevant to out discussion.
4-So who is this verse(435) addressed to first?
And why are the addressed "musrifeen"?
It is this concept in Qoran I was referring to as "original sin"You have the right to make your opinion. For me there is no "original sin" in this ayat.
Coming back to 7172, in my opinion it refers to the time of 3867 and before we were made humans.. GOD has made this particular covenant with every human .
Also this life is a trial(yabluakum) 672
GOD bless you.
Peace.There is no base to contact 3867 with 7172
"Yabluakum" comes from root which has the basic meaning of "to portray the reality".
Why all knowing God would test man? He gives us opportunity in this life to develop our nafs and to show our real self during the time of difficulty. At the end successful are those who have developed their nafs and will progress into next life of Jannah.
Salaam
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Al-A'raf 7172
And when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, , "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware."
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Do you remember anything if you had an awareness before this life? Do you remember being asked by your Rabb "am I not you Rabb?
Here is the interpretation of Parvez Ahmed
Quote "(172) The history of mankind shows that, despite various serious calamities which could have wiped them off the earth, the human race has continued. This is clear evidence that Allah?s programme of creation and Rabubiyya is in operation continuously. We have narrated this history so that human beings may not say on the Day of Reckoning that they were unaware of it." Unquote.
Source http//tolueislam.org/exposition-of-the-holy-quran-07-surah-al-araaf-g-a-parwez/
So if we reflect on our existence it is an evidence that there is a Rabb.
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Peace Novice.
1- Either Insaan was nothing Min kablu or he originated from something. The difference is clear.
Nothing means no matter/particle/atom... From something means frpm matter/particle atom...
So original creation was from nothing. Second creation was from something. GOD does not make such an error.
What you say here is contradictory, quoteCorrect he was nothing before its creation. It does not mean that he was created from nothing. Qur'an informs us that he was created from inorganic material... turab, teen etc
2- Very relevant to our discussion how GOD starts a creation and repeats it.
3-If you think there is no original sin/blame in the Ayat, then explain what it means? You want to settle this issue.
4- Again give your take on 3867 ?
As for "trial , whether you want "Yablu" or "fitna" they both point to a trial" A Hasiba Al Naas An Yutraku an Yakulu Aamanna Wa Hum La YUFTANOON".
As for Why all knowing God would test man?
Exactly for the reason you are saying no to. To test who keeps the covenant agreement (7172) after our first life blunder.
GOD bless you.
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1- Either Insaan was nothing Min kablu or he originated from something. The difference is clear.
Nothing means no matter/particle/atom... From something means frpm matter/particle atom...
So original creation was from nothing. Second creation was from something. GOD does not make such an error.Salaam GL
Lets make it simple. What is your understanding from Quran about creation of mankind?
I will respond to all your questions in your post after reading your reply to my above question.
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Peace Novice.
You mean why mankind were created? Or how they were created?
Both are important questions to ask .
The why question leads to what we are talking about in this thread.
I believe Qoran answers both.
The how mankind was created question, I agreed with your take on it and the verses you quoted.
From a single cell(water,materials...) and evolved) + reproduction+ Ruh
GOD bless you.
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Peace Novice.
You mean why mankind were created? Or how they were created?
Both are important questions to ask .
The why question leads to what we are talking about in this thread.
I believe Qoran answers both.
The how mankind was created question, I agreed with your take on it and the verses you quoted.
From a single cell(water,materials...) and evolved) + reproduction+ Ruh
GOD bless you.
Peace.Why aspect is answered in the Qur'aan
http//haqeeqat.pk/Human%20being.htm
How aspect is explained rather in detail
Man's Origin History of his coming into being.
http//haqeeqat.pk/Human%20origin.htm
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Peace Mazhar.
Do you believe this happened instantly? ;quote from your link
Aa'dam is the First Man in Human Species. He was created and took existence as fully mature man.I disagree to your statement "Faida sawaytuhu" Fashioning/evolution can take years!
May be this is off topic here ,if others think it is, we can discuss in another thread.
GOD bless you.
Peace.