Did People in Bible Times Really Live So Long?

si_di

salam,maybe u r Aware that i opened a thread where i was asking this Question About the sign,well the a lot of Stories similar to that of Noah in the scriptures or in the quran .But it isn?t said we made this a sign like Noahs Story.

What is a sign?

peace

Jafar

What is a sign?

This is the sign..

Through revelation of DNA and genetics we now know that aging within any living organism is a well engineered and designed process.
Everytime the human body cells regenerate (split), it keeps an internal counter of how many times it has splitted before.
And after some threshold it will start to mutate to some extent that some of the cells will run amok and caused damage such as cancers..
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayflick_limit

It's all decided for us. Who wants to live forever?
-- Brian May

Everything has it's life cycle in this universe.. it's all as designed...
Religion, Holy Books, Nationality, Language, Species, Planet, Star, Galaxy.. it all goes through the lifecycle and will meet it's death at the end...

Your body, your identity, your religion, your nationality, your ethnicity even your name is not who you really are.
It will wither and go away, as designed...
Don't be too attached to them...

si_di

@Jafar
salam,

Yes,but i just aked what is it with Noah and the Story to become a sign?sign is only used in a few Story that made them different from others.

what i want to Point out is quranictalking for sign is to be know from People outside the scripture .So when it Comes to say "sign" then People will see that sign without reading the holy scriptures.

Noon_waalqalami

From my understanding Qoran wanted to convey the two periods of time of Satatin and Aaman as well as both numbers 1000 and 50. for us to investigate why?
We know why Qoran uses the numbers. The mathematical structure is such that all the numbers mentioned are counted and conform to 19 divisibility..

Peace, yes investigate (1736) nothing with 19 infatuation and not 950 (separate terms used).

thousand sanatin (solar based system ? feminine noun)
fifty man (lunar based system ? masculine noun)

2914 and surely sent we of noah of to folk his so stay among them thousand sanatin except fifty man/year (lunar) of so seizes them the deluge and they were unjustly

these are same terms

mun/year (lunar masculine noun)
sinina/years (lunar masculine pl. noun)

1 937 man/year (lunar) of
2 3114 mayni/year two (lunar)
3 1242 bida/several (i.e. 3 to 9) sinina/years (lunar)
4, 5, 6 ?
7 1247 saba/seven sinina/years (lunar)
8, 9 ?

10, 20, 30, 40 ...
50 2914 fifty man/year (lunar) of
60, 70, 80, 90 ...

100 2259 hundred min/year (lunar)
200 ?
300 1825 three hundred sinna/years (lunar)
400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900 ?

system (solar based)
526 forty sanatan
2914 thousand sanatin
704 fifty thousand sanatin

system (lunar based)
1247 said thou cultivating seven sinina/years (lunar masculine pl. noun) usual of so what harvest you so leave it in corn husk its except little of from what thou eating

1249 furthermore approached from after such mun/year (lunar masculine noun) in it are given relief the humankind and in it squeezing (fruit, etc. to extract juices or oils)

Noon_waalqalami

there is a vers in quran who is talking about the feeding of about should take two years

peace -- it's within or less than two years else equations don't work....

3114 and separation his in/within (< less than) mayni/year two (lunar)

4615 and carry his and separation his thirtieth shahran/moon cycle of until when reach vigor his (maturity age) and reach forty sanatan

p = pregnancy time (variable)
w = weaning time (variable)

w < 709 days {3114 (24 x (lunar months) = 708.73 days}

886 days ? p < 709 days {4615 30 x (lunar months) = 885.92 days}
p = 886 days ? 709 days = 177+ days (5.99+ lunar months)

https//www.verywell.com/worlds-smallest-preemies-2748663

http//www.newhealthguide.org/Longest-Pregnancy.html

30 shr = pregnancy + weaning
(days) days/mts days/mts

886 = 179/6 + 707/23.9 (Rumasia and Hiba pre-mature pregnancy)
886 = 207/7 + 679/23
886 = 236/8 + 650/22
886 = 266/9 + 620/21 (average pregnancy)
886 = 295/10 + 591/20
886 = 325/11 + 561/19
886 = 354/12 + 532/18
886 = 375/12.7 + 511/17.3 (baby Penny longest recorded pregnancy)

Therefore, babies born premature need more weaning time while those born late need less.

good_logic

Peace Noon.
Just a simple answer as fact or not a fact

The Quran mentions 30 different whole numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50, 000, & 100, 000. The sum of these numbers is 162146, which equals 19x8534.

Remember not really debatable, either true or false?
Even if you think it is a coincidence!
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Noon_waalqalami

The Quran mentions 30 different whole numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50, 000, & 100, 000. The sum of these numbers is 162146, which equals 19x8534.

Remember not really debatable, either true or false?
Even if you think it is a coincidence!

peace, no coincidence hunting hiding 18/19 (95%) failures.

162146 = 2 ? 17 ? 19 ? 251

yes, so what has to do with topic and how many below, 14?

2234 arbaata ashhurin waashran

NewFrenzy

Peace, yes investigate (1736) nothing with 19 infatuation and not 950 (separate terms used).

thousand sanatin (solar based system ? feminine noun)
fifty man (lunar based system ? masculine noun)

2914 and surely sent we of noah of to folk his so stay among them thousand sanatin except fifty man/year (lunar) of so seizes them the deluge and they were unjustly

these are same terms

mun/year (lunar masculine noun)
sinina/years (lunar masculine pl. noun)

1 937 man/year (lunar) of
2 3114 mayni/year two (lunar)
3 1242 bida/several (i.e. 3 to 9) sinina/years (lunar)
4, 5, 6 ?
7 1247 saba/seven sinina/years (lunar)
8, 9 ?

10, 20, 30, 40 ...
50 2914 fifty man/year (lunar) of
60, 70, 80, 90 ...

100 2259 hundred min/year (lunar)
200 ?
300 1825 three hundred sinna/years (lunar)
400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900 ?

system (solar based)
526 forty sanatan
2914 thousand sanatin
704 fifty thousand sanatin

system (lunar based)
1247 said thou cultivating seven sinina/years (lunar masculine pl. noun) usual of so what harvest you so leave it in corn husk its except little of from what thou eating

1249 furthermore approached from after such mun/year (lunar masculine noun) in it are given relief the humankind and in it squeezing (fruit, etc. to extract juices or oils)

Is this opposite of what your saying

And indeed We had sent Noah towards his nation;

Whereupon he lived among them for a thousand lunar years save fifty solar years.

For reason/in consequence of contradicting him flood seized them while they were persistently evil doers.

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Individual%20Ayaat/029/029/029.14-27.htm

good_logic

Peace Noon.
Yes. That is the right answer.
You are wrong on 2234. There is no 14. There is 4 and 10. Look again, it does not say Arbaata Ashara Ashhoor(14) in the verse?
There is Arbaata Ashhoor-4 months - Wa Ashra- And 10.
2234

You asked an off topic question to start with.
I finish here.
Sorry Nk for the off topic.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

NK

si di,

How would you translate it. You mean Prophet Noah lived among his people long period except 50 years?

Peace,
NK

si_di

Dear NK,

Thats how i understand the versThe Region were he lived was longway habitated by humans, how Long we dont know.But since Adam i guess and till Noah pboh was born ,grew up and left the Region the quran uses the the Expression 1000 sanat.

So when Noah was born till he migrated 50years passed but when he started his Mission ,i dont know.

He had a Family,Wife and children and because his wife did not embark with him on the ship i sugest that his Children were already adults otherwise it would be ravenmother.

Maybe The children were married too at least his first born child (bible call him Sem).He probably started his Mission with 45years when his wife left ,that would mean the children are in their Teens and young adults when he is 50years.

The quran does not say boys "daqr" or youngster "fiyatun" so i came to this conclusion.And to build boaot for a few people with a few Animals would take if his children helped maybe round about half a year.

Noon_waalqalami

Is this opposite of what your saying

And indeed We had sent Noah towards his nation;

Whereupon he lived among them for a thousand lunar years save fifty solar years.

For reason/in consequence of contradicting him flood seized them while they were persistently evil doers.

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Individual%20Ayaat/029/029/029.14-27.htm

Peace, I need to research this more believe they're all the same especially pregnancy and weaning calculations which vary on the cutoff depending if using solar or lunar years.

It's clear mun/year; mayni/year two (i.e. singular and two/dual) and sinina/years (i.e. plural) are the same if referring to "number" whereas sanatan is used if referring to age/epoch.

e.g. Perf558 says shahru jumada the first of sanatin twosome and twenty (i.e. year 22 of that dating system).

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PERF_558

Noon_waalqalami

Peace, it always refers to "solar" year/s.

1 year count 9126 min/year (solar); likewise (100) 2259 hundred min/year (solar)
2 year count 3114 mayni/year (solar) two

pl. years count
105 l-sinina/the years (solar)
1242 several (i.e. 3 to 9) sinina/years (solar)

sanatin refers to "collective" time-span

mayni/year two (solar) calculations...

3114 and separation his in/within (< less than) mayni/year two (solar)
4615 and carry his and separation his thirty shahran/lunar cycle of

p = pregnancy time/carry his (variable)
w = weaning time/separation his (variable)

w < 731 days {3114 (2 x solar years / day) = 730.5 days}
886 days ? p < 731 days {4615 30 x (lunar months / day) = 885.92 days}
p = 886 days ? 731 days = 155+ days

30 shr = pregnancy + weaning
(days) days/mts days/mts
886 = 154/5.20 + 732/24.80 < mayni/year two (solar) 730.5 days = False
886 = 156/5.28 + 730/24.72 < mayni/year two (solar) 730.5 days
886 = 177/6.00 + 709/24.00
886 = 179/6.06 + 707/23.94 Rumasia and Hiba
886 = 207/7.00 + 679/23.00
886 = 236/8.00 + 650/22.00
886 = 266/9.00 + 620/21.00 average pregnancy
886 = 295/10.00 + 591/20.00
886 = 325/11.00 + 561/19.00
886 = 354/12.00 + 532/18.00
886 = 375/12.70 + 511/17.30 baby Penny

https//www.verywell.com/worlds-smallest-preemies-2748663

Hence possibility of survival is 155+ days (22 weeks!) pregnancy require longer weaning time.
Whereas average pregnancy (9 months) need 21 months weaning; 10 month requires 20, etc.

mayni/year two (lunar) calculations ...

w < 709 days {3114 (24 x (lunar months / day) = 708.73416 days}
886 days ? p < 709 days {4615 30 x (lunar months / day) = 885.92 days}
p = 886 days ? 709 days = 177+ days

30 shr = pregnancy + weaning
(days) days/mts days/mts
886 = 174/5.90 + 712/24.10 < mayni/year two (lunar) 708.7 days = False
886 = 177/6.00 + 709/23.999 < mayni/year two (lunar) 708.7 days
886 = 207/7.00 + 679/23.000
886 = 236/8.00 + 650/22.000
886 = 266/9.00 + 620/21.000 average pregnancy

Therefore above cutoff is below 177 days (6 lunar months) or only 25 weeks pregnancy.

si_di

sanatin refers to "collective" time-span

whereas sanatan is used if referring to age/epoch.

According to your Analysis you agree that Noah did not aged 1000 years`?

NK

si di,

I am more incline towards your interpretation of Alf Sinatin means long period but I cant find the interpretation of exception particle attached to this verse which stopped me accepting completely. How do we translate it?

I have checked other verses, like in Chapter 2 verse 96 means long period, in chapter 97 verse 3 (I think) also means abundance or long period, also I can't remember the verse but in somewhere in Quran, God is talking about his one day as a long period (Alf Sinatin).

I am sure other people on this group will either endorse or oppose the theory.

Peace,
NK

Noon_waalqalami

According to your Analysis you agree that Noah did not aged 1000 years`?

2914 and surely sent we of noah of to folk his so remain among them thousand (1,000) sanatin/age (epoch) ill/except khamsna/fiftieth (50th) man/year (solar) of so seizes them the deluge and they were unjustly

950 would be (tis?a mi?a khamsun) and does NOT say khamsun/fifty (50)

Likewise, it says man/year of (?a year?) NOT mun/year

e.g. 937 allowing it man/year of (?a year?)
and prohibiting it man/year of (?a year?)

Perhaps 1,000 sanatin/age only khamsna/fiftieth (50th) man/year of (?a year?)?

i.e. 1,000 / 50 = 20 years total

here are the rest?

296 and surely thou find them desires the humankind on life and of the ones associates they of loves one them in case upkeep-ed thousand (1,000) sanatin/age (epoch) and not it will remove him from the punishment that upkeep-ed and the god seer in what working

526 said so surely it impermissible it upon them fortieth (40th) sanatan/age (epoch) wandering in the land so not grieve over the folk the disobedient

2247 and asked to hastening you in the punishment and not failed the god promise his and indeed day of (?a day?) near/with lord your like thousand (1,000) sanatin/age (epoch) of what thou counting

325 regulated the directive of the heaven to the land furthermore ascended toward him in day be measure its thousand (1,000) sanatin/age (epoch) of what thou counting

4615 and instruct we of the human with parents his kindness of carry she him mother his dislike of and gave birth him dislike of and carry his and separation his thirty (30) shahran/lunar cycle of until when reach vigor (maturity) his and reach fortieth (40th) sanatan/age (40th cell doubling Hayflick limit?) said lord grants me that I thank favor your the one favors it upon me and upon parents mine and that I do righteous of please you and reconciles for me in progeny mine indeed I perish to you and indeed I of the acquiescent

700 in name the god the almighty the merciful
701 ask questioner in/concerning punishment befalls
702 for the rejecters not is for it any preventer
703 from the god owner the stairways
704 they ascend the controllers and the spirit toward him in day be measure its khamsna/fiftieth thousand (50,000th) sanatin/age (epoch/time-length)
705 so patience patience of beautiful of
706 indeed they see it distant of
707 and we see it near of

peace!

Noon_waalqalami

peace, slight clarification nuance in translation; usage depends on context if singular, dual, plural, group, etc.

mun/year (solar)
sinina/years (solar)
sanatan/age/year (solar)

1 1249 mun/year (solar)
2 3114 mayni/year two (solar)

3-9 1242 falabitha/so remain in the prison bida/several (i.e. 3 to 9) sinina/years (solar)

7 1247 said thou cultivating saba/seven (7) sinina/years (solar)

40 4615 arbana (i.e. group of 40) sanatan/age/year (solar)

100 2259 ...
so cause to die him the god mi-ata/hundred (100) min/year (solar) ...
said rather labith'ta/remain thou mi-ata/hundred (100) min/year (solar)

300 1825 walabith/and remain they of in cave theirs thaltha/three (3) mi-atin/hundred (100) sinna/years (solar) and increases they of tis'an/nine (9) of

2914 and surely sent we of noah of to folk his falabitha/so remain among them alfa/thousand (1,000) sanatin/age/year (solar) ill/except/only khamsna man/year of (solar)

1,000 296 loves one them in case upkeep-ed alfa/thousand (1,000) sanatin/age/year (solar)

50,000 704 they ascend the controllers and the spirit toward him in day (epoch) be measure its khamsna alfa/thousand (1,000) sanatin/age/year (solar)