Is the Holy Quran for the humans only or for the Jinns too?

[bagyane]

...in next verse 46 30 it appears they were present in moses times as well as time of Quran?
why didnt they accepted at moses time ? if they knew it was truth ? ...

Or they were not present at the time of Moses but have his book at their disposal just like we have Qur'an now

... in next verse 46 30 ... why didnt they accepted at moses time ? if they knew it was truth ? ...

The verse did not point to that

[good_logic]

I agree bagyane.
the verse just says
4630
They said, "O our people, we have heard a book that was revealed after Moses, and confirms the previous scriptures. It guides to the truth; to the right path.

And Qoran says that it confirms the previous scripture. It certainly does not mean they were alive at the time of Moses.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[imrankhawaja]

sorry brothers i think we misunderstood
lets start from THOSE jinn who were listening.

were they normal human beings also called as jinns ? as per shabbirs ahmed interpretation i think ghulam ahmed pervaiz had a similar view.
question is how we know these jinns r human or invisible ones ? its also a highly possibility both kinds exist at same time.

or a tribe somewhere in past whose people named as JINNS metaphorical to original jinn invisible beings ?

[hawk99]

sorry brothers i think we misunderstood
lets start from THOSE jinn who were listening.

were they normal human beings also called as jinns ? as per shabbirs ahmed interpretation i think ghulam ahmed pervaiz had a similar view.
question is how we know these jinns r human or invisible ones ? its also a highly possibility both kinds exist at same time.

or a tribe somewhere in past whose people named as JINNS metaphorical to original jinn invisible beings ?

No one is invisible. No one is physically made of smokeless fire. NO one is made of gas.
At least I have never seen such a person.

And there were men from mankind who sought refuge in men from the jinn,
so they increased them in burden.

Peace all,

Is the Holy Quran for the humans only or for the Jinns too?

Thanks,
NK

And when We directed to you a few of the jinn,
listening to the Qur'an. And when they attended it, they said, "Listen quietly."
And when it was concluded, they went back to their people as warners.

We said, "Go down therefrom, all of you. When guidance comes to you
from Me, those who follow My guidance will have no fear, nor will they grieve.

peace

[Novice]

No one is invisible. No one is physically made of smokeless fire. NO one is made of gas.
At least I have never seen such a person.

And there were men from mankind who sought refuge in men from the jinn,
so they increased them in burden.

And when We directed to you a few of the jinn,
listening to the Qur'an. And when they attended it, they said, "Listen quietly."
And when it was concluded, they went back to their people as warners.

We said, "Go down therefrom, all of you. When guidance comes to you
from Me, those who follow My guidance will have no fear, nor will they grieve.

peace

Thanks hawk99. Allow me to correct your typo to remove confusion.The verse is 726
Very appropriate references to reflect upon.

God bless you.

[hawk99]

Thanks hawk99. Allow me to correct your typo to remove confusion.The verse is 726
Very appropriate references to reflect upon.

God bless you.

Thanks Novice, I appreciate it.

[NK]

I agree with Imrankhwaja. Thanks for sharing your thought. In general, people think that and both are same things. The creature which was made from fire was and not . In the whole Quran you can not find a single verse where God said he created from fire. Therefore, has broader meaning, it can be imaginary deities which Polytheist worshiped (6100), it also includes angels (3715, People not living in the cities (721), our evil impulses(1850) etc.

[si_di]

@NK

The creature which was made from fire was and not .
if i am not wrong i used to think that the first word is the Pluralform of the second word .

[huruf]

in 15.26 we are told that the jaann were created before the bashar from fire
and in the next ayas we are told that iblees refused to postrate and gave as a reason that he would not postrate before a bashar created from mud

in 38.76 we are told that iblees is created from fire and refused to postrate

and in 18.50 we are told that iblees was rom the jinn

Salaam

[imrankhawaja]

if i am not wrong i used to think that the first word is the Pluralform of the second word .

plural form is more appropriate to use for aljaan as it covers all possible kinds/forms/types of THOSE from ALjaan.

i know its kinda hard topic when we are talking about THINGS/ BEINGS what we cannot see from naked eye.

GOD bless u all brothers and sisters.

[imrankhawaja]

No one is invisible. No one is physically made of smokeless fire. NO one is made of gas.
At least I have never seen such a person.

hope u doing good brother HAWK
lol TRUE i never seen a person like this either.

RED things and beings as per holy scriptures exist what naked eye of human cant See.
as per science also things exist what naked eye cant see.
may b i misunderstood what u r trying to say in ur post.

[imrankhawaja]

I agree with Imrankhwaja. Thanks for sharing your thought. In general, people think that and both are same things. The creature which was made from fire was and not . In the whole Quran you can not find a single verse where God said he created from fire. Therefore, has broader meaning, it can be imaginary deities which Polytheist worshiped (6100), it also includes angels (3715, People not living in the cities (721), our evil impulses(1850) etc.

hope u doing good brother NK.
i will look more into it in due time and these type of topics, thinking get evolve from better understanding. thanks to you too for sharing your view.

[hawk99]

hope u doing good brother HAWK
lol TRUE i never seen a person like this either.

RED things and beings as per holy scriptures exist what naked eye of human cant See.
as per science also things exist what naked eye cant see.
may b i misunderstood what u r trying to say in ur post.

Peace imrankhawaja, NK

I apologize for not being clear, but let's analyze this ayat.

And there were men from mankind who sought refuge in men from the jinn,
so they increased them in burden.

Are the Jinn men or are they something else? Help!

peace

[NK]

@si di,

it self is a plural noun. Same as and

Salam

[NK]

@ huruf,

3876 is not the statement of God. He quoted Ibless statement. Same way in 128 is not the statement of God. Like i said in my previous comment, in the whole Quran God never said he created Al-Jinn from fire.

Salam

[NK]

@hawk99

They are men. There is no doubt about it. All the books sent down for human beings. Quran is (2185) but like i said in my previous comment Al-Jinn has broader meaning as per holy Quran.

Salam.

[huruf]

@ huruf,

3876 is not the statement of God. He quoted Ibless statement. Same way in 128 is not the statement of God. Like i said in my previous comment, in the whole Quran God never said he created Al-Jinn from fire.

Salam

No, I He did not say that He creted al jinn from anything else. True it is not God who has said it, but He does not seem to disagree with that and I do not see any hint anywhere that it is not so.

All god says is that He makes Iblees get out of his previous condition.
Both jinn and jaann come from the root that means to be hidden or covered. It does not have to be a kind of beings but rather any being that is hidden or does not appear to be seen.

Salaam

[hawk99]

I agree with Imrankhwaja. Thanks for sharing your thought. In general, people think that and both are same things. The creature which was made from fire was and not . In the whole Quran you can not find a single verse where God said he created from fire. Therefore, has broader meaning, it can be imaginary deities which Polytheist worshiped (6100), it also includes angels (3715, People not living in the cities (721), our evil impulses(1850) etc.

Peace NK

6100 = a false conclusion of disbelievers
37158 = a false conclusion of disbelievers
1850 = I am still trying to figure this one out, but obviously
this predates
However, we know that is clear.
Please feel free to post more ayats to discuss.

peace

[NK]

@huruf

This story is repeated many times in the Quran. Did you think God misguide Iblees? He claimed God misguided him (716) and God never denied it, why? because God and his messengers never indulge in baseless arguments, for example Chapter 2 verse 258 where Ibrahim did the same.

Hope i explained something.

Salam

[huruf]

Yes you explained something but I doubt that you proved that Ibliis was not made from fire. And so what is it exactly you want to prove becuse I do not get it.

So how does God show to us that Ibliis is not made from fire? Does God say somewhere else that he is made from something else?
He was one of the mala'ika was he not? And what ar mala'ka made of?
Of course God does not have to tell us from what iblees was made, but the fact is that we cannot know by ourselves whether it is true or not that he was made from fire.

Is it that jinn and jaann re two different things? What is the difference?

Jaann is an active participle, jinn a noun. But neither have to be a single kind of being, just any being with a particular characteristic.

So exactly what are you saying with respecto to each of those terms?

Salaam