Every thing created pair
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there are some plants unisex as well as some earthworms.
even in humans its appears they have one more sex in between male and female.normality is what we see but sometimes we also have abnormal outcomes like birth of twins and in some cases its more than 5 kids simultaneously. in some cases kid get birth with two heads extra fingers etc.
btw brother how these lizards come into being.?
it needs a male and female sex to continue birth ?
send some link about them i will research moreGod bless u
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This is a very good thread if argued with quran and knowledge and evidence and verification.... Hope this will end up very informative...
God has created 5345, 923 or 7539 as males and females..
Also keep in mind the verse 3636 ...everything the earth produces...
we cannot convince that whip lazard is only females.. research is needed, cannot be decided based on the current research and available info coz in science things may change..
Hens lay eggs without mating with rooster and eggs wont become chicks without having to mate with rooster.. but is one time of mating with rooster for a hen is enough to produce fertilized eggs throughout her life time.. Could that be possible with whip lizard... Animal kingdom is beyond the capacity of human's research... don't be in hurry to make any decision.. coz God says He creates what we don't know 3636....
do research or with the available researches find out what quran says ....
I wish some very knowledgeable members in the about the animal world get involve ...
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there are some plants unisex as well as some earthworms.
even in humans its appears they have one more sex in between male and female.normality is what we see but sometimes we also have abnormal outcomes like birth of twins and in some cases its more than 5 kids simultaneously. in some cases kid get birth with two heads extra fingers etc.
btw brother how these lizards come into being.?
it needs a male and female sex to continue birth ?
send some link about them i will research moreGod bless u
Salam Bro,
Maybe read here
http//blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/02/21/extra-chromosomes-allow-all-female-lizards-to-reproduce-without-males/#.UrF4_fRDv9sThe other link about about hammerhead shark is on my Original first post of this thread.
What is buffling about these lizards is no male chromosomes involved. Maybe the first sp
Or as Novice said the verse is not talking about reproduction.
So my question is are all created creatures have male counterparts even though sometimes the males are not nneded in reproduction? I mean species which is one gender only and never ever had the opposite gender of the same species.
God bless you all
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Salaam centi50
5149 does not say We created pairs sexually or asexually.
God bless you
Salam brother Novice,
What is the verse talking about?
Another question. What about the angels? There are no female angels
As-Saffat 37150
Or did We create the angels as females while they were witnesses?"
In light of also these,
What is this verse 5149 talking about
God bless you
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thats very intelligent of you brother jaffar,
how you explained the perfect pairs.
now its time to see imperfect pairs.
male and female ( lady boy and manly girl ) in fewer cases.i think theres is a degree in between everything from high to low.
even in perfect pairs we find ourselves in middle sometimes.destruction / creation = (work in process)
falsehood /truth =( mix of truth with lies )@ centi i know verse is not talking about SEXes its about pairs and i told you some imperfect pairs in creation of SEXes of animals and plant. at first i also was thinking its about male and female sex ages ago. but on a broader level its just not about sex its about TWO apparent sides of one thing.examples pairing in electricity, pair of your ownself, -ve/+ve in batteries, hardware/software etc
what i m telling its better to take religious text as metaphorical.
literal understanding is dangerous in most of the religious texts one should be careful speically when we have technology to get help.
about the lizards what i am asking is how those species come into existence without the help of male cells ? is there is anything in biology that allow you to generate something without missing cells ?
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Salam brother Novice,
What is the verse talking about?
Another question. What about the angels? There are no female angels
As-Saffat 37150
Or did We create the angels as females while they were witnesses?"
In light of also these,
What is this verse 5149 talking about
God bless you
"There are no female angels "
Is that what the aya says? I do not think so.
Salaam
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"There are no female angels "
Is that what the aya says? I do not think so.
Salaam
SLM Huruf,
Quran 5327
Indeed, those who (do) not believe in the Hereafter, surely they name the Angels name(s) (of) female.
https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/53/27can i say if i think angels are female , then do i not beleave in hereafter , ill be a KFR
again dont get me wrong , i dont know the gender of a angel ( actually , for me is it irrilevant at this moment)
May Allah guide us to the strait path
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thats very intelligent of you brother jaffar,
how you explained the perfect pairs.
now its time to see imperfect pairs.
male and female ( lady boy and manly girl ) in fewer cases.i think theres is a degree in between everything from high to low.
even in perfect pairs we find ourselves in middle sometimes.destruction / creation = (work in process)
falsehood /truth =( mix of truth with lies )@ centi i know verse is not talking about SEXes its about pairs and i told you some imperfect pairs in creation of SEXes of animals and plant. at first i also was thinking its about male and female sex ages ago. but on a broader level its just not about sex its about TWO apparent sides of one thing.examples pairing in electricity, pair of your ownself, -ve/+ve in batteries, hardware/software etc
what i m telling its better to take religious text as metaphorical.
literal understanding is dangerous in most of the religious texts one should be careful speically when we have technology to get help.
about the lizards what i am asking is how those species come into existence without the help of male cells ? is there is anything in biology that allow you to generate something without missing cells ?
Salam brother Imran,
I was asking a similar line of question if there is a species which had never had a male cell thing in its history at all.
In regards to that lizard there is a male lizard but those female ones can reproduce without male cells chromosome or whatever i.e they don't need male to reproduce.
People with biology knowledge should help us here.
Have you heard of virgin births? You can read here a little
http//www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141219-spectacular-real-virgin-birthsSo what does that verse mean if not sexes because I didn't understand brother Jafar
Or it means God created two kinds of the same thing/species ?.Another question what about the angels? Obviously they are not females as it's said in the Quran
But I cannot say they are males too coz it's not mentioned. Again does that verse include angels?Damn I am so confused
Help help
God bless you all
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SLM Huruf,
Quran 5327
Indeed, those who (do) not believe in the Hereafter, surely they name the Angels name(s) (of) female.
https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/53/27can i say if i think angels are female , then do i not beleave in hereafter , ill be a KFR
again dont get me wrong , i dont know the gender of a angel ( actually , for me is it irrilevant at this moment)
May Allah guide us to the strait path
Salam
Maybe it can be of relevant if you read 5149
God bless you
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Salam
Maybe it can be of relevant if you read 5149
God bless you
Slm,
Interesting , i didnt look at this way .....
word shayin -->
http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=$yA#(51493)everthing , is this also none living or only living or both ?
first, i dont think Angels they are created , like it said before ( another thread) appointed from other other beings , i self think these being were jins because they were before insaan. and jins were also in both sexe....
so if i think logical , both sexe must be available unless Allah removes the gender. now also this Allah dont tells us everthing , only thing what we need to know.thx for the reply
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how you explained the perfect pairs.
now its time to see imperfect pairs.
male and female ( lady boy and manly girl ) in fewer cases.Everything is perfect.. once you put away any 'judging' attitude and take things "as it is".
It was not "opposite" but it's more of "complementary".Stop judging and start appreciating..
That includes your example of "male - female and anything in between".
There are male in female and female in male.. the portions varies in degree...
And it's all normal and perfect.When everyone in the world sees beauty,
Then ugly exists.
When everyone sees good,
Then bad exists.Therefore
What is and what is not create each other.
Difficult and easy complement each other.
Tall and short shape each other.
High and low rest on each other.
Voice and tone blend with each other.
First and last follow each other.So, the wise acts by doing nothing,
Teaches without speaking,
Attends all things without making claim on them,
Works for them without making them dependent,
Demands no honor for his deed.
Because he demands no honor,
He will never be dishonored.
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Salaam centi50
What is the verse talking about?
(zawjain) is a masculine dual noun. It could be "two masculine entities" or "one masculine and one feminine entity". (zawj) could refer to a spouse, a pair, a type, a species, a kind etc. These pairs complement each other.
My understanding about 5149 is similar to what brother jafar has written.
https//www.advantour.com/img/china/taoism/taoism.jpg
Death <-> Life
Falsehood <-> Truth
Destruction <-> Creation
Anti Matter <-> Matter
Evil <-> Good
Arrogance <-> HumilityWithout the opposites we cannot tell the difference.
So these pairs, types, kinds etc compliment each other.
Another question. What about the angels? There are no female angels
As-Saffat 37150
Or did We create the angels as females while they were witnesses?"
Quran has used (malik) and (al-malaikatu). These words are masculine nouns. They means controllers.
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Salaam centi50
(zawjain) is a masculine dual noun. It could be "two masculine entities" or "one masculine and one feminine entity". (zawj) could refer to a spouse, a pair, a type, a species, a kind etc. These pairs complement each other.
My understanding about 5149 is similar to what brother jafar has written.
So these pairs, types, kinds etc compliment each other.
Quran has used (malik) and (al-malaikatu). These words are masculine nouns. They means controllers.
Salam brother Novice and all,
So verse 5149 can go like this maybe
And in everything have We created oppos?ites, perhaps you may remember.
Does everything means aslo inanimate things? If not why?
Inregards to maikaikatu /controllers /angels or whatever people refers to them, are you implying they are males only? Or I didn't understand u maybe
God bless you all
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So verse 5149 can go like this maybe
And in everything have We created oppos?ites, perhaps you may remember.
Does everything means aslo inanimate things? If not why?
We know very little about the creation. We have learned about gravity and anti-gravity, matter and anti-matter etc. so inanimate things are included.
Inregards to maikaikatu /controllers /angels or whatever people refers to them, are you implying they are males only? Or I didn't understand u maybe
We have not detailed information about "malaikas" so cannot say what their construction is. The noun "malaika" is masculine but does not mean they are males, as we understand a male.
Like for God Quran uses "huwa" which means He (not a gender specific) because in Arabic "huwa" is used for anything unless address is to feminine entities only.
God bless you.
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Hi everyone...
I am afraid that again this topic also drag to malak and jinn.... Anyway there is link...
In response to female malaika....Has God stated in Quran female Jinns dear centi??? If your understanding is that iblees was malak and he became Jinn then, we got to deduce females are created in Jinn... Exploring QURAN and direct verses are different things.. If things are direct no need of exploration... 726 """ Males of human sought refuge in Males of Jinn....so there is rijal In Jinn... If all Jinns are rijjal then no need to specify here.. Further Jinn has sexual life with opposite gender... Quran proves...
We are aware malaika are Jinns by creature... But the malaika are males or females.. That's a concern for Centi ... In fact Malika are chosen ones for certain tasks as of human prophets for example... Are these chosen ones malaika include females.. Doubtful.. But conjecture cannot be truth... Not a single reference even malaika who came to earth as messengers referred as males.. At least to the one who visited the one and only female whose name is printed in the entire quran.. But for her also God sent male unfortunately.. God chose with intent....Malika are chosen group among Jinns...even among those malaika the malaika messengers are chosen... Allah never created Malika but jinn... It is only the people say that...people's conjecture always malaika are another creature.... That's why what people say that Allah chosen females... Allah used the word khalaq in front of malaika in 37150 with reason not coz Allah created(khalaq) malaika.. Coz that's what people used to say and that same thing was ordered to Mohamed to ask from them... In the end God says they are liars and they 5327-28 these liars and those who took the conjecture over the truth labelled malika as females for which Allah refuse... Allah didn't give the status of Malika to female Jinns... When these liars were claiming and calling Malika by female names, allah won't simply reject totally if at least one female Malika were among them... It's all their conjecture.. No females in malaaika
Every creature has two genders as per QURAN... Male and female... Malika is not a creature or gender but a status as of Human Messenger but only given to males among those creatures.. Allah's choice is unchangeable.... For whatever the reason Allah chose (Asthafa) males for his entrusted tasks and duties..
That's my conviction based on QURAN..
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We know very little about the creation. We have learned about gravity and anti-gravity, matter and anti-matter etc. so inanimate things are included.
We have not detailed information about "malaikas" so cannot say what their construction is. The noun "malaika" is masculine but does not mean they are males, as we understand a male.
Like for God Quran uses "huwa" which means He (not a gender specific) because in Arabic "huwa" is used for anything unless address is to feminine entities only.
God bless you.
Salam brother Novice and all,
You said inanimate is included. Now what is the opposite of "rock"
God bless you all
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Salam to All,
Brother Imran asked a very good question. How did this Whiptail came into existence.
I found out its a result of hybridization of a sexual species of the lizard. The female hybrids start to produce clones distinct from either parental species. In other words, they instantly become a new species of their own.
https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_whiptail
God bless you all
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Salaam,
Salam to all
From everything We created a pair, perhaps you may remember. (5149)
Some species of these small southwestern lizards (Whiptail Lizard) are all-female.
producing offspring all on their own, without needing a complementary male set of chromosomes.And this
https//royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsbl.2007.0189Help me understand the verse in light of the above phenomenon
God bless you all
Peace centi50,
Possible explanation
Clarification
The ayah didn't say "Everything", rather it said "from/of everything ". It's an arabic expression used to mean "many/ a lot of".
Let's examine other ayahs first
1- God says in surat Annaml 2723
Sahih International
Indeed, I found a woman ruling them, and she has been given of all things, and she has a great throne.In the same surah ayah 16
Sahih International
And Solomon inherited David. He said, "O people, we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given from all things. Indeed, this is evident bounty."We don't need to say that Sulayman- Peace be upon him- and the woman didn't have "every thing" but they were given "from" every thing as the woman's kingdom wasn't given to Sulayman and vise versa. It refers to those things only which are needed by the government or an empire. Otherwise it is obvious that they did not have cars or railways in those days. It means that whatever services are needed to a king or an aristocrat according to their time, they all were available to her. It is, however, obvious that those things that were not available to them, their unavailability is not in conflict with this verse.
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http//comparativreligion.blogspot.com/2013/01/re-quran-5149-error-everything-created.html
Allah knows best