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Allah is ENERGY

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    hawk99
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    Peace brother Mahdi Ibrahim

    Searching for the truth is what we all endeavor to find.

    Ayat 2435 is not literal but metaphorical.

    Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable (mathalu)
    of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is
    within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly star lit from a blessed olive tree,
    neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched
    by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents
    examples (l-amthla),for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things.

    peace

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      Ayat 2435 is not literal but metaphorical.

      Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable (mathalu)
      of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is
      within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly star lit from a blessed olive tree,
      neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched
      by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents
      examples (l-amthla),for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things.

      peace

      @ brother hawk,

      in this chap that one is my fav one.

      2440 Or like total darkness in the midst of a deep ocean, with waves upon waves and a thick cloud above - darkness upon darkness. When he holds out his hand, he can barely see it. For, whomever God deprives of light, will have no light.

      in this single verse we can have scientific findings, a perfect metaphor, a perfect lesson.
      and opposite of light = darkness

      without DARKNESS there is no light so he created all of it light and dark both are playing their roles appointed for them.

      LEAD me to LIGHT one of my old teacher use to say that light here is not sunlight i m sure lol.

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        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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        Ayat 2435 is not literal but metaphorical.

        of course, and many scientists understand this metaphor..

        since they are not deluded into worshipping some invisible gods in the sky.. truly deluded.

        • delusion

        /dɪˈluːʒ(ə)n/

        noun

        an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

        Which of you the insane? (686)

        ?The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.?

        ― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited

        https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=meoGgUkLx9M
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          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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            hawk99
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            @ brother hawk,

            in this chap that one is my fav one.

            2440 Or like total darkness in the midst of a deep ocean, with waves upon waves and a thick cloud above - darkness upon darkness. When he holds out his hand, he can barely see it. For, whomever God deprives of light, will have no light.

            in this single verse we can have scientific findings, a perfect metaphor, a perfect lesson.
            and opposite of light = darkness

            without DARKNESS there is no light so he created all of it light and dark both are playing their roles appointed for them.

            LEAD me to LIGHT one of my old teacher use to say that light here is not sunlight i m sure lol.

            @ imrankhawaja the Quran is full of beautiful metaphors, similes, idioms and similitudes.

            An ayat that is literal is 2431.

            @ Mahdi Ibrahim, I'm sorry but I think you need to take a close look at ayat 37 handshake

            peace

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              imrankhawaja
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              light upon light = allah upon allah ?

              light = energy

              LHS = RHS

              hence new equation

              light = energy = God.

              btw u still having missing factor of time in light ( the max speed of God ) = 1860000 miles p/s isnt it.

              u r giving here einstien equation on energy and matter but u forget to give his theory of ?general relativity? ? is there anything u see TIME there ?

              i never see any scientist deluded in worshipping light or energy ? lmao

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                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                @ Mahdi Ibrahim, I'm sorry but I think you need to take a close look at ayat 37 handshake

                I think you need to do that... handshake

                Muhkamat Statement can be proven with the LordLaw of Cause & Effect.

                Mutasyaabihat Statement cannot be proven with the LordLaw of Cause & Effect.

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                • Allah exists since mathematics (sunnatullah, LordLaw of Cause and Effect) is consistent, and

                • The Devil exists since we cannot prove it (fallacious arguments/statements/conclusions).

                Why don&#039t they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Qur&#039an?

                Don&#039t they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah (ie. Human Shaytan / The Devil / 6112), they would find many discrepancies in it (fallacious arguments/statements/conclusions). (Tafseer 482)

                Definition of Human Shaytan / The Devil

                Human shaytans and Jinn Shaytans, who inspire (religism, schism) each other with delusions (ie unnatural / "an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder&quot by means of specious words (ie fallacious arguments / LOGIC FAILED!) — if your LordLaw (of Nature, LordLaw of Cause & Effect) had willed, they would not have done it, so abandon them and all they fabricate (political jurisprudence). (Tafseer 6112)

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                  hawk99
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                  Peace Mahdi Ibrahim, I will not bother trying to convince you
                  that 2435 is a metaphor handshake

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                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                    no one saying it's not, so what is the issue?

                    • Allah (Energy) is THE LIGHT of EVERYTHING ( = of the heavens and the earth). (2435)

                    • Everything is THE LIGHT (ENERGY). Nikola Tesla

                    https//electrical-engineering-portal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/nikola-tesla-everything-is-the-light-.jpg

                    "Light" is the metaphor for "Energy"

                    "Light upon light" is the metaphor for "energy upon energy" (Transformation of Energy)

                    It is the SAME LIGHT, ONE LIGHT

                    ONE ENERGY

                    ONE ALLAH

                    https//annarborbahais.org/public/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/One-Light-Many-Lamps-2.jpg.jpg

                    so what is your LAMP?

                    my LAMP is...

                    HE MADE ALL GODS SAME GOD. (Quran 385)

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      AND I will prove my Allah

                      here, please prove your own existence...

                      let's start with this kirlian photograph of an apple.

                      https//i.pinimg.com/236x/b3/d2/58/b3d25814d62c554c9fa96cc0bf59082c--raw-food-vegan-food.jpg

                      ISSUE Does this apple exist; or

                      There is NO APPLE (GOD),
                      ONLY LIGHT (ENERGY / ALLAH)?

                      A. The apple exist

                      B. No, there is NO APPLE (GOD). Everything is THE LIGHT

                      A or B?

                      https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=meoGgUkLx9M

                      Nothing exists except atoms and empty space, everything else IS OPINION. ~ Democritus

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                        No. There is NO GOD and Allah mean One who is not illah

                        One who is not a deity/god for adoration or worship.

                        So you mean to say Allah = Energy and there is NO God and Ilah is (deity/god)... Fine
                        Allah or GOD is Energy ... La ilah illa Allah means ... There is no deity but Energy.... So no connection according to you with deity or god with the word Allah but simply Energy..

                        Then give everyone a detailed explanation of the verse 1143 which say ILAH Deity/god of Men... even explain the 1141 as well...If allah is energy what is ilah 1143 indicates?

                        explain the below as well dear brother... i consider you a knowledgeable one honestly... but mere knowledgeable one and the believer has difference... let's see ...

                        2013 If you consider the Fire to be as Energy in the verse then why Moses wanted to see the Energy (allah) while he has already seen the Fire (Energy)? It?s not a normal fire according to you it was the Fire(energy) which controls everything? What was that moses wanted to see after seeing the Energy already? Then what actually prevented energy to show up?

                        Next A or B...
                        A has no beginning
                        B has beginning...
                        So B has come first and A never came and never end

                        who knows your view may be right rest of us may be wrong...so clarify the above...

                        God bless us with guidance...

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                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                          Then give everyone a detailed explanation of the verse 1143 which say ILAH

                          Allah (A)

                          A = B
                          B = C
                          C = D
                          D = A

                          1141 and 1142 defines the word ILAH/GOD in verse 1143

                          • 1141 Say, "I seek refuge in (the) Lord (of) mankind,

                          • 1142 (The) King (of) mankind,

                          • 1143 (The) God (of) mankind

                          (The) Lord (of) mankind = (The) God (of) mankind

                          Therefore

                          Allah (A) = God (B)
                          God (B) = Lord (C)

                          Accordingly, what is the definition for Lord (C)?

                          • 12 All praises and thanks (be) to Allah, the Lord of the universe

                          • 13 The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

                          • 14 (The) King (of the) Day (of the) Judgment.

                          All validity / lawfulness praises and thanks (be) to Allah

                          the Lord of the universe

                          All validity / lawfulness be to Lord (C) of the Universe

                          • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" The Sunnatullah (Way of Allah in Nature)

                          • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" LordLaw of Nature

                          • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" LordLaw of Cause & Effect

                          • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" EcoLogic

                          • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" Mathematical Pattern

                          • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" ENERGY

                          • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" EcoLogical JUSTICE / JURISPRUDENCE

                          Therefore, the LordLaw (C) of the Universe

                          = Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature / Energy (D)

                          You are what you do, and Allah is what He do (Sunnatullah)

                          Accordingly for the logical deduction of..

                          A = B
                          B = C
                          C = D
                          D = A

                          • Allah (A) = God (B)

                          • God (B) = Lord (C)

                          • Lord (C) = Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature / Energy (D)

                          • Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature / Energy (D) = Allah (A)

                          Energy (D) = Allah (A)

                          The word God in verse 1143 refer to "ENERGY" (Energy make certain the Sunnatullah, the LordLaw of Nature, EcoLogic)

                          Is it fallacious (unnatural) gods other than Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature - (that) you desire? (3786)

                          You will never encounter an alternative for Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature. You will never find an alteration in the Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature! (3543)

                          Muslim
                          = Make peace with Nature (Sunnatullah LordLaw, EcoLogical Jurisprudence, Ecological Justice, EcoLogic, DEEN / CAUSE & EFFECT)

                          Kafir
                          = Make enemy with Nature (Political LordLaw, Unnatural Jurisprudence, Forced Justice, Fallacies, RELIGION / DOGMA)

                          1091 Say "O Kafirun (Unnatural),"
                          1092 "I do not serve what you serve (Unnatural),"
                          1093 "Nor do you serve what I serve (Natural),"
                          1094 "Nor will I serve what you serve (Unnatural),"
                          1095 "Nor will you serve what I serve (Natural),"

                          1096 "To you is your system (Political Jurisprudence / Unnature / Forced Justice), and to me is mine (Ecological Jurisprudence / Nature / Natural Justice)."

                          Why don't they research the (interpretations and translations of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretations and translations) was from someone other than Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature, they would find many discrepancies/unnatural/fallacious in it(s interpretations and translations). (482)

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                            2013 If you consider the Fire to be as Energy in the verse then why Moses wanted to see the Energy (allah) while he has already seen the Fire (Energy)?

                            It is the process of "REASONING"

                            Musa said "Allah is the LordLaw of the East and the West and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN ( = ENERGY). You would understand Allah if you USE REASON. (262

                            Next A or B...
                            A has no beginning
                            B has beginning...
                            So B has come first and A never came and never end

                            The capacity for doing work (Energy) cannot be created
                            The capacity for doing work (Energy) cannot be destroyed

                            The capacity for doing work (Energy) can be transformed (ie. Light upon Light = Transformation of Energy.

                            When I have formed him and breathed/transformed My Ruh/Energy into him (Transformation of Energy), fall down in prostration in front of him! Then the angels prostrated all together, every one of them (1529-30)

                            It is NOT SHIRK.
                            UNLESS, against the Sunnatullah / Nature / EcoLogic ALONE

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                              Nun. By the pen and what everyone writes (as Political Law Jurisprudence = FORCED JUSTICE)! By the grace/standard of proof of your LordLaw of Nature, you are not insane. You will certainly have a never-ending reward. And you are truly a man of outstanding character. Soon you and the pagans/political worshippers will see, which of you is mad. Surely your LordLaw of Nature alone proves best who has strayed from His Natural Way and who is rightly guided. So do not give in to the insanes. They wish you would compromise/to insanity so they would yield to you. (681-9)

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                              The really hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does. They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; THEY ARE NORMAL ONLY IN RELATION TO A PROFOUNDLY ABNORMAL SOCIETY. THEIR PERFECT ADJUSTMENT TO THAT ABNORMAL SOCIETY IS A MEASURE OF THEIR MENTAL SICKNESS. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted, still cherish "the illusion of individuality," but in fact they have been to a great extent deindividualized. Their conformity is developing into something like uniformity. But "uniformity and freedom are incompatible. Uniformity and mental health are incompatible too .... Man is not made to be an automaton, and if he becomes one, the basis for mental health is destroyed." ~ Aldous Huxley

                              1096 "To you is your system (Political Jurisprudence / Unnature / Forced Justice), and to me is mine (Ecological Jurisprudence / Nature / Natural Justice)."

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                              As for those who are kafir it makes no difference to them whether you warn them (with the Sunnatullah / EcoLogic / Energy) or do not warn them (with the Sunnatullah / EcoLogic / Energy), they will not have iman (in the Sunnatullah / EcoLogic / Energy). (26)

                              Kafir = Illogical / Religious / Dogma >> "it makes no difference to them"

                              On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full (with Kafir / Illogical)? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)

                              Those who have iman ( = no guesswork = proofs & evidences = pure) and do natural/ecological actions, how few they are! (3824)

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                                imrankhawaja
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                                whatever u r bringing its interesting to see your modern view on old traditions.

                                history is showing us records of people who use to worship god/s
                                the first of them were all related with energy.

                                SUN god
                                Moon God
                                Fire God
                                God of light
                                God of thunder
                                God of dark

                                brother mahdi also have a god who i.e

                                ENERGY god.

                                although u are an advance person and u dun believe in rituals and worships hence like old people your are not worshipping energy. like they use to bow/kneel/prostrate the gods.

                                many centuries ago when civilisation hetting birth religion , philosphy, science starting playing together side by side.

                                started from the gods of nature like sirus humanity travel towards one God concept.

                                the birth of monothiesm as well as birth of understanding cosmos and philophies.

                                with the end of seventh century it was already much awareness amd they started joining together by politics/wars/trade/relationships/RELIGION ( how everything is connected ) its amazing.

                                but now look people dunt worship their gods much.

                                energy is getting back on them everybody have a God nowadays we call it ?Cell phone?

                                we cant live without it
                                we cant eat without seeing it.
                                we worship/service/sala our phone more than the 50 prays of night journey in a day.
                                we amazed and immersed in our mobile more than samree Gold calf

                                this mobile is giving information about all gods ancient/greek/energy gods/monthiests gods etc so who is the bigger God ?

                                mobile ? but we dnt have to prostrate it physically it will not refuse providing benefits to us or will through fire projectiles on us coz our knowledge is telling us its we who discovered it.

                                its always human who made things mostly in his mind called CONCEPT all concepts comes feom human they created all the gods human ever worshipped.

                                human mind created it all.

                                now we discovered about sun star gods and lot more than ancient people more than ancient people can think. with the help of science God.

                                if the peope of sun god knew how many more massive sun gods we have they will not b able to name them all.

                                not only we can name them at this age but also we are exploring them.

                                age is going fast best of luck humanity. but in all of this it appears to me all human gids whoever comes in the concepts of human mind get dull with the passage of time the more we are going in depth the more mysteries are waiting for us telling us whatever we beleive ws not true about religious scriptures/science/philosphy everytime new theories attarct people towards new things.

                                but the ONE is one the one thats absolute and one whos responsible for creating every creation only a creation can give a name creator.nobody science/religion/philosphy know the ONE. thats what he planned and logical mind can think only he can actually plan.

                                YOU find your ONE= energy
                                my one is not energy though i have more worthy things in mind than energy but i know my weak human mind can only imagine according to the ability provided to my mind.so i myself have no idea what he is ? of we understand all of it therez nothing much we need to worry. although we must enjoy out movie of life.

                                REST of the part in in suspence and all religions/nations may have another surprise once tbey died and on that world/diemensh the will mock on their priests to tell them horrible picture or whatever is there is there i have a slight idea most of the theories regarding the hereafter by different sections of faiths will get proven lie.

                                the origianl AFTERLIFE will be far more than we can imagine at this time space.
                                human give a surprise to their beloved. upon happiness or special occassions like birth marraige but we can feel the surprises here at this world and we know our surprises never long last.

                                but we have a SURPRISE from our creator what i beleive/feel will be the best thing a human soul can imagine by logic actually not by scriptures.

                                if a human can feel so happiness after getting worthless surprises in this world imagine the surprise and mystery what our own creator created for us. thats why he got attribute of ghaib(hidden) the creator of mysteries.

                                most of teh people who are waiting for their saviours like issa/messiah/mehdi/antichrist etc and those who are thinking to have their trial in graves will most probabaly disapponit.

                                a longest post just due to a reason if u understand why i m writting this obvioulsy i want to help you understanding how people see things.

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                                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                  a longest post just due to a reason if u understand why i m writting this obvioulsy i want to help you understanding how people see things.

                                  There is no need for that if you understand Philosophy (Love of Wisdom/Islam); The SCIENCE OF TRUTH...

                                  https//image.slidesharecdn.com/chpt3majorphil-110103113359-phpapp01/95/3-the-major-philosophies-4-728.jpg?cb=1294055472

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                                  against..

                                  "delusion"

                                  an idiosyncratic belief or impression
                                  maintained
                                  despite being contradicted

                                  • by reality (METAPHYSICS) or

                                  • rational argument (EPISTEMOLOGY)

                                  typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

                                  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity (DELUSIONAL), and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

                                  It is INFINITE.

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                                    good_logic
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                                    My question is simple to you brother Mahdi
                                    Are we accountable to Allah =Energy and please elaborate on how?
                                    If we can choose to be/do good or bad ,then there must be accountability.

                                    In other words,if there is no GOD, there will not be any accountability .Or who who is responsible for all this and what is the structure?

                                    I agree with what you say mainly about respect of the environment and its conservation and respect and good cooperation with all creatures but unfortunately many abuse and disrespect like you see all around us on earth.
                                    GOD bless you.
                                    Peace.

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                                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                      My question is simple to you brother Mahdi
                                      Are we accountable to Allah =Energy and please elaborate on how?
                                      If we can choose to be/do good or bad ,then there must be accountability.

                                      It's Nature, LordLaw of Nature..

                                      KARMA...

                                      1. Unnatural cause = Unnatural Effects / Hell etc.

                                      2. Natural Cause = Natural Effects / Paradise etc.

                                      This "ENERGY MAKE CERTAIN" the above LordLaw of Cause and Effect.

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                                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                        i want to help you understanding how people see things.

                                        Through the SCIENCE OF TRUTH...

                                        Every nation has a Messenger and when their Messenger comes everything is decided between them justly . They are not wronged. (1047)

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                                          So you believe there is a day of resurrection for the Karma to be applied by Allah=Energy?
                                          GOD bless you.
                                          Peace.

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