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Allah is ENERGY

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    good_logic
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    Peace Mahdi.
    No difference?
    Some energy that is created now did not exist before like from the machine I mentioned.
    You say it has existed before the machine created it? Let s have your science evidence for it.

    I say if the machine that created that energy did not exist before, the energy that resulted from the machine did not exist also. It also tells me the energy that we have is not complete since we can add to it.
    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

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      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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      You don't even know BASIC SCIENCE.

      • Energy cannot be created

      • Energy cannot be destroyed

      • Energy can be transformed

      I'm not to argue over this.

      Peace.

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        good_logic
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        Peace Mahdi.
        We got there, energy CAN be transformed
        But I know this
        Allah CANNOT be transformed by machines.
        Hence Allah does not equal energy.
        And likewise I am not going to argue over this.
        GOD bless you
        Peace.

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          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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          so what is the machine?

          is it not ENERGY?

          and...

          When I have formed him and breathed/TRANSFORMED My Ruh/ENERGY into him

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          fall down in prostration in front of him! Then the angels prostrated all together, every one of them! (1529-30) ... and IT IS NOT SHIRK!

          Creator = "capacity for doing work"

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            good_logic
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            Peace Mahdi.
            Machines =Allah then?
            Clouds, thunder lightning also create energy.
            Well here we go again,arguing, I am tempted like you did

            He is the One who shows you the lightning as a source of fear, as well as hope, and He initiates the loaded clouds.

            The thunder praises His glory, and so do the angels, out of reverence for Him. He sends the lightning bolts, which strike in accordance with His will. Yet, they argue about God, though His power is awesome.

            ? Say, "Why then do you set up besides Him MACHINES who do not possess any power to benefit or harm even themselves?" Say, "Is the blind the same as the seer? Is darkness the same as the light?" Have they found MACHINES besides God who created creations similar to His creations, to the point of not distinguishing the two creations? Say, "God is the Creator of all things, and He is the One, the Supreme."

            Machines may be energy but Allah is certainly not any machine. I hope you see the difference.
            Otherwise everything that has the capacity to do work will be Allah!!!
            If still in doubt,, well keep arguing.
            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

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              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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              • How do you explain verse 1529?

              • What is the definition of ENERGY in Physics? Can Allah create?

              • What is there other than Energy? Please bring scientific proof//fact.

              Your argument Allah IS NOT THE CREATOR?

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                good_logic
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                Peace Mahdi.
                My argument is simply Allah is not energy that we know. Allah cannot be His own creation.
                Whatever is created by Allah s creations cannot be Allah. Energy is created/transformed(as we agree now) by machines as well, therefore energy is not Allah.
                God bless you.
                Peace.

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                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                  That's not even an argument.

                  It is DOGMA.

                  How do you explain verse 1529?
                  What is the definition of ENERGY in Physics? Can Allah create?
                  What is there other than Energy? Please bring scientific proof//fact.

                  Your argument Allah IS NOT THE CREATOR?

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                    good_logic
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                    Peace Mahdi.
                    You explained your argument and I explained mine.
                    Now we have to leave our arguments for others to disect . We have to agree to disagree then.
                    Not a problem for me.
                    Thank you and GOD bless you.
                    Peace.

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      Not a problem at all. handshake

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                        imrankhawaja
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                        What's the difference?

                        It doesn't change the fact that everthing is ENERGY... no?

                        BIG difference.

                        there is energy in everything what a human can percieve.

                        THE things like aliens, unicorns, and hidden things got a different type of energy what we have no knowledge of but the energy what we see probably a creation from that energy.

                        but GOD is not a ?thing?

                        hence God is not energy

                        energy is one of the marvels of God as well as other marvels above than ? energy? what we have no knowledge off.

                        you are playing active voice & passive voice with energy lol this person is talented.although i appreciate ur talent already but its a conflict with book called ?quran? thats what all i m saying my lovely brother i have provide u information as per my knowledge we talked alot like 15 pages. i think its time to finish this with agree to disagree.

                        God bless u or energy bless u group

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                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                          BIG difference.

                          there is energy in everything what a human can percieve.

                          THE things like aliens, unicorns, and hidden things got a different type of energy what we have no knowledge of but the energy what we see probably a creation from that energy.

                          but GOD is not a �thing�

                          hence God is not energy

                          Understand this...

                          You merely proves the TRANSFORMATION OF ENERGY (LIGHT UPON LIGHT)..

                          No energy originate from all those things

                          Therefore, they are not ENERGY and merely transformed from elsewhere, IE. ALLAH/ENERGY.

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                          LACK IN BASIC SCIENCE

                          Then when he saw the sun come up he said, "This is my Lord! This is greater!" Then when it set he said, "My people, I am free of what you associate with Allah/ONE ENERGY! I have turned my face to Him Who (ENERGY) manifested the heavens and earth into being/atoms/matter, a pure natural believer/naturalist/PRO SUNNATULLAH|NATURE. I am not one of the mushrikun/unnaturalist/ENEMY OF THE SUNNATULLAH|NATURE." (678-79)

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                            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                            Our animist God never existed in conventional religions...

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                              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                    https//media.giphy.com/media/l46CA780JT3rqOBeo/giphy.gif

                                    Those who are blind in this world will be blind in the Next World and even further off the Path. (1772)

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                                      kaltun
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                                      SLM MI,

                                      i invested little to this and there is BUT ....

                                      Allah is not energy like we know , and yet Allah says he is the light (nur) . its your understanding that light = Energy , but this is wrong

                                      why because we dont know else , we know only what we are thought. so if Allah created everything, he created energy also , so he created himself ????

                                      so i wont shout that Allah is ENERGY, he is the light .. not energy .....

                                      lets see the drawings O0

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                                        imrankhawaja
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                                        empty headed person dont know the origin of ?LIGHT?

                                        the birth of LIGHT from the nuclear fusion of hydrogen that transform
                                        hydrogen into helium is what we know the ? Light of universe?

                                        IGNORANT @ extreme

                                        as per this way gas clouds before planets and mother stars were creator of LIGHT ?

                                        MAJNU @ extreme

                                        is gas cloud a bigger God ?

                                        INSANITY @ extreme

                                        NOTE i advise all other members to write in this size format so that people easily locate how many times this imposter is been defeated and its easy for them to find out.otherise ur words will get vanished in long messy pictures posts.

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                                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                          Allah is not energy like we know

                                          Therefore the burden of proof is to show

                                          What is there in existence OTHER THAN ENERGY.

                                          ELSE, Allah is ENERGY.

                                          Definition

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