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Allah is ENERGY

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    good_logic
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    Peace Mahdi.
    Machines =Allah then?
    Clouds, thunder lightning also create energy.
    Well here we go again,arguing, I am tempted like you did

    He is the One who shows you the lightning as a source of fear, as well as hope, and He initiates the loaded clouds.

    The thunder praises His glory, and so do the angels, out of reverence for Him. He sends the lightning bolts, which strike in accordance with His will. Yet, they argue about God, though His power is awesome.

    ? Say, "Why then do you set up besides Him MACHINES who do not possess any power to benefit or harm even themselves?" Say, "Is the blind the same as the seer? Is darkness the same as the light?" Have they found MACHINES besides God who created creations similar to His creations, to the point of not distinguishing the two creations? Say, "God is the Creator of all things, and He is the One, the Supreme."

    Machines may be energy but Allah is certainly not any machine. I hope you see the difference.
    Otherwise everything that has the capacity to do work will be Allah!!!
    If still in doubt,, well keep arguing.
    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

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      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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      • How do you explain verse 1529?

      • What is the definition of ENERGY in Physics? Can Allah create?

      • What is there other than Energy? Please bring scientific proof//fact.

      Your argument Allah IS NOT THE CREATOR?

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        good_logic
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        Peace Mahdi.
        My argument is simply Allah is not energy that we know. Allah cannot be His own creation.
        Whatever is created by Allah s creations cannot be Allah. Energy is created/transformed(as we agree now) by machines as well, therefore energy is not Allah.
        God bless you.
        Peace.

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          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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          That's not even an argument.

          It is DOGMA.

          How do you explain verse 1529?
          What is the definition of ENERGY in Physics? Can Allah create?
          What is there other than Energy? Please bring scientific proof//fact.

          Your argument Allah IS NOT THE CREATOR?

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            good_logic
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            Peace Mahdi.
            You explained your argument and I explained mine.
            Now we have to leave our arguments for others to disect . We have to agree to disagree then.
            Not a problem for me.
            Thank you and GOD bless you.
            Peace.

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              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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              Not a problem at all. handshake

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                imrankhawaja
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                What's the difference?

                It doesn't change the fact that everthing is ENERGY... no?

                BIG difference.

                there is energy in everything what a human can percieve.

                THE things like aliens, unicorns, and hidden things got a different type of energy what we have no knowledge of but the energy what we see probably a creation from that energy.

                but GOD is not a ?thing?

                hence God is not energy

                energy is one of the marvels of God as well as other marvels above than ? energy? what we have no knowledge off.

                you are playing active voice & passive voice with energy lol this person is talented.although i appreciate ur talent already but its a conflict with book called ?quran? thats what all i m saying my lovely brother i have provide u information as per my knowledge we talked alot like 15 pages. i think its time to finish this with agree to disagree.

                God bless u or energy bless u group

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                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                  BIG difference.

                  there is energy in everything what a human can percieve.

                  THE things like aliens, unicorns, and hidden things got a different type of energy what we have no knowledge of but the energy what we see probably a creation from that energy.

                  but GOD is not a �thing�

                  hence God is not energy

                  Understand this...

                  You merely proves the TRANSFORMATION OF ENERGY (LIGHT UPON LIGHT)..

                  No energy originate from all those things

                  Therefore, they are not ENERGY and merely transformed from elsewhere, IE. ALLAH/ENERGY.

                  https//o.quizlet.com/i/Oo2ST8jiG84Km7nFz2fRLg.jpg

                  LACK IN BASIC SCIENCE

                  Then when he saw the sun come up he said, "This is my Lord! This is greater!" Then when it set he said, "My people, I am free of what you associate with Allah/ONE ENERGY! I have turned my face to Him Who (ENERGY) manifested the heavens and earth into being/atoms/matter, a pure natural believer/naturalist/PRO SUNNATULLAH|NATURE. I am not one of the mushrikun/unnaturalist/ENEMY OF THE SUNNATULLAH|NATURE." (678-79)

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                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                    Our animist God never existed in conventional religions...

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                            https//media.giphy.com/media/l46CA780JT3rqOBeo/giphy.gif

                            Those who are blind in this world will be blind in the Next World and even further off the Path. (1772)

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                              kaltun
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                              SLM MI,

                              i invested little to this and there is BUT ....

                              Allah is not energy like we know , and yet Allah says he is the light (nur) . its your understanding that light = Energy , but this is wrong

                              why because we dont know else , we know only what we are thought. so if Allah created everything, he created energy also , so he created himself ????

                              so i wont shout that Allah is ENERGY, he is the light .. not energy .....

                              lets see the drawings O0

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                                imrankhawaja
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                                empty headed person dont know the origin of ?LIGHT?

                                the birth of LIGHT from the nuclear fusion of hydrogen that transform
                                hydrogen into helium is what we know the ? Light of universe?

                                IGNORANT @ extreme

                                as per this way gas clouds before planets and mother stars were creator of LIGHT ?

                                MAJNU @ extreme

                                is gas cloud a bigger God ?

                                INSANITY @ extreme

                                NOTE i advise all other members to write in this size format so that people easily locate how many times this imposter is been defeated and its easy for them to find out.otherise ur words will get vanished in long messy pictures posts.

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                                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                  Allah is not energy like we know

                                  Therefore the burden of proof is to show

                                  What is there in existence OTHER THAN ENERGY.

                                  ELSE, Allah is ENERGY.

                                  Definition

                                  https//images.slideplayer.com/14/4490787/slides/slide_1.jpg

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                                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                    the birth of LIGHT

                                    The "LIGHT" is simply the metaphor / signs for ENERGY...

                                    do you know how language develop?

                                    OR you assume ancient people spell it "ENERGY"? Terrible... rotfl

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                                      reel
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                                      Great you started this thread. I did talk about a dream I had about Allah. My conclusion now is what you describe. God is energy encompassing all. However, as I am told in the dream, still we are not individually him.

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                                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                        still we are not individually him.

                                        True, because of the "Transformation of Energy" (light upon light 2435) ....

                                        The Energy never remain and always flows through everything...even the atoms in our body will be replaced for every 1 - 7 years...

                                        Studies at the Oak Ridge Atomic Research Center have revealed that about 98 percent of all the atoms in a human body are replaced every year. You get a new suit of skin every month and a new liver every six weeks. The lining of your stomach lasts only five days before it&#039s replaced. Even your bones are not the solid, stable, concrete-like things you might have thought them to be They are undergoing constant change. The bones you have today are different from the bones you had a year ago. Experts in this area of research have concluded that there is a complete, 100 percent turnover of atoms in the body at least every five years. In other words, not one single atom present in your body today was there five years ago.

                                        that what makes "..we are not individually him..", and we can NEVER be Him...

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                                        the only "us" is our consciousness ..ie. AWARENESS OF ALLAH (ENERGY)

                                        You cannot will, unless Allah wills. 7630

                                        لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللهُ

                                        No GOD (matter)
                                        Only Light (ENERGY)

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                                          imrankhawaja
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                                          I did talk about a dream I had about Allah.

                                          usually lot of people had NDE as well as in dreams and they find themsleves in different visions.

                                          Dreams are ?mystery? and one unsolved problem of biology.
                                          but we can see things in dreams what we can also interpret with our vision.

                                          some see jesus
                                          some see light ( including sunni) they claimed muhammad is light too.
                                          some see dark
                                          some see krishna
                                          some see muhammad
                                          some see their saints/peer/sufi

                                          depend whats our mind interpret us.

                                          in this TIME/space light consider as FASTEST/ brightest things even in the centre of universe.

                                          it appears light is where human mind ends thinking beyond.

                                          now we have another thing that even light cant escape from blackholes.
                                          New theory ( HAWKIN) also taking popularity that even its possible to come out from blackholes. he mix both quantam and gravity together to form a new theory and played his part well.

                                          but the birth of light is FACT of science.
                                          let there be a LIGHT.
                                          human appear to get attracted/influenced by light related things like sirius sun etc.

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