Pork is HALAL
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Dead animals is not blood. I do not know what you mean?
They are two different things.This is what I mean... is this consistent?
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Peace Mahdi.
Then,your translation of "Lhma Al Khinzeer is a problem. If you say it means Maggoty stinking meat then what about maggoty stinking fat?
Surely by your logic if Qoran does not forbid it then it is halal!!!
Or should I say bring me a verse that says "Shahma al Khinzeer is forbidden?
Bad food, maggoty stinking food, food you do not like are common sense. They come under "not Tayibat". Eat only"Tayibat" food.
GOD bless you.
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There is no logic in transmutation and miracles. Its pure Intuition. Allah is not one eyed. Stop spreading your "scientism islam". The Intellect is not everything. Its intuition which completes our soul. Use all of your brain capacities.
Show me one thing from this universe without the LordLaw of Cause & Effect (is Logical)?
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Peace Mahdi.
Then,your translation of "Lhma Al Khinzeer is a problem. If you say it means Maggoty stinking meat then what about maggoty stinking fat?
Surely by your logic if Qoran does not forbid it then it is halal!!!
Or should I say bring me a verse that says "Shahma al Khinzeer is forbidden?
Bad food, maggoty stinking food, food you do not like are common sense. They come under "not Tayibat". Eat only"Tayibat" food.
GOD bless you.
Peace..It said "maggotty".
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Peace Mahdi.
You said maggoty?
So Lahma Al Khinzeer means just maggoty?
I thought Lahma means meat. And Shama means fat!
So Lahma Al Khinzeer is maggoty meat?
GOD bless you.
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If it is meat, without maggotty.. then it is HALAL.
pork
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beef
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Peace Mahdi.
What about if it fat but maggoty is it forbidden?
Do you see your problem now?
GOD bless you.
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The subject matter is "magotty"
What is my problem?
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Peace Mahdi.
Either you are now pretending you do not understand the issue or you are deviating. If you say, quoteThe subject matter is "magotty"
I have already clarified for you here
You said maggoty?
So Lahma Al Khinzeer means just maggoty?
I thought Lahma means meat. And Shama means fat!
So Lahma Al Khinzeer is maggoty meat?And here
What about if it fat but maggoty is it forbidden?
Do you see your problem now?I am saying your translation is problematic if you follow your logic because Qoran has not forbidden "maggoty stinking fat"!
GOD bless you.
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Who can eat this?
dead animal
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magoty stinking meat
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What about if it fat but maggoty is it forbidden?
Do you see your problem now?It said magoty..
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not necessarily meat alone, but also to date and walnut.
and here is the word meat/flesh
http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=35798
magoty + flesh/meat
so what is my problem?
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Peace Mahdi.
You know you have not answered the problem you have..
Actually you are now deliberately repeating the same thing.Here is my two questions again then
Maggoty meat according to you is "Lahma Al Khinzeer" yes/no?What is maggoty fat in Arabic and is it forbidden? It should be "Shahma al Khinzeer" if you follow the same translation.
GOD bless you.
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here is the word for "and the flesh"
http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=35798
maggoty + and the flesh
flesh noun
the soft part of a fruit or vegetable that is under the skin
https//www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus-category/british/parts-of-fruit-and-substances-in-fruitso what is my problem?
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Peace Mahdi.
Still you have not answered my questions.
Your choice.Peace All.
Here is a summary of my discussion;.
1- 6146 were additional items forbidden for Beni Israeel and halal in Qoran. Common forbidden items were not mentioned there because they were mentioned in 6145.2- Brother Mahdi claims "Lahma Al Khinzeer" is maggoty meat. And that is what is forbidden. If things are not forbidden in Qoran they are halal Hence meat of pig is halal.
3- I said to brotherv Mahdi the "mahggoty meat " translation is an error because it leaves the problem of "maggoty fat" -Shahma Al Khinzeer-not forbidden in Qoran, hence halal according to the logic he follows.
Thanks everyone and thank you brother Mahdi for the discussion.
GOD bless.
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Do you understand the word "flesh"?
flesh noun
the soft part of a fruit or vegetable that is under the skinhttps//www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus-category/british/parts-of-fruit-and-substances-in-fruit
flesh
the soft part of the body of a person or animal covering the bones and organs
The flesh of a fruit or vegetable is the soft, inner part.https//dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flesh
maggoty + and the flesh
nothing in verse 16115 says it is "meat"...
it only said "the flesh of the maggoty/stinking"
Only He has forbidden to you the dead animal and the blood and the flesh (of) the swinemaggoty/stinking , and what has been dedicated to other (than) Allah . But (if) one (is) forced - without (being) disobedient, and not a transgressor - then indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
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Peace Mahdi.
The word "Lahm" in Arabic means meat. And The word "Shahm" means fat. YOU are now changing "Lahm" to mean flesh including Shahm-fat- because you see a problem.I clearly see that your translation is not working with your logic. Do you see it?
You have been insisting with others that they have to make sense with evidence/proof.
Here your logic is not making sense. Either your translation needs changing or your logic..Or you keep insisting "Lahm" means everything flesh,bones , shahm and...When clearly in Arabic they have different names like Adhm(bones), Shahm(fat)...
GOD bless you.
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dnt need to make things confuse.
LAHAM = meat/flesh that covered with or without bones under skin (birds,animals, aquatic animals)
LAHAM/meat/flesh of hanzeer(pig) is not recommended by Quran.
@ mahdi before u go further tell us what is the arabic of pig ?
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Already covered
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599591.msg234462#msg234462The basic conclusion was IF you ignore the form the word is in and Quranic grammar, then yes, you can interpret it the way you imply.
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According to qur'aanic grammar, in the phrases "lahma khinzeerin" or "lahma alkhinzeeri", "khinzeer" CANNOT be an adjective but can only be a noun. This has been discussed numerous times on this forum in the past. Please use the search feature for the relevant threads.A short explanation is as follows
For "khinzeer" to be an adjective the phrase has to have "AL" before both words or if "AL" is not before both words then both words have to have the same ending of "an" or "un".
For example
"lahmun khinzeerun" or "al-lahma al-khinzeer".
The phrases in al-qur'aan are as follows
"lahma khinzeerin" (6145), and "lahma/lahmu alkhinzeeri" (2173, 53, 16115).
Thus "khinzeer" in those phrases CANNOT be an adjective, and can only mean "pig".
Your reply
It is not conclusive because the rule of the grammar ignores "natural sign", logic, cause and effect, consistency, fallacies etc andA much better response would have been to show several examples in Quran where the grammar follows your take. There are literally thousands of examples of this usage in Quran. It should be easy for you to find several if you speak the truth.
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Prove by accepting all religions and all gods - live as one nation - an upright man - humanity
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Anti sectarianism
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Non-sectarians+ - sectarians (attaching importance to perceived differences = sectarianism = religion) + - sectarians (attaching importance to perceived differences = sectarianism = religion) M-A-THEIST
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vs. Calculation
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vs. Finding out differences+- issue relating to humanity - - > is a human (or being human) vs. attaching importance (just vs. unjust - an upright man) to perceived differences - - - + What is a human ? - - - + (true human beings only concerns with 'humanity'
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vs . Sectarianism ie. religionism, racism, nationalism etcnon humanity issue vs. Religion
Ibrahim was not a Jew <- sectarian, a religion. . so as Muhammad, not a Jew or Christian because both are religions
nor a Christian <- sectarian, a religionbut he was (an) upright (man) - (showing a great concern for what is right, fair and truthful way)
a Muslim (a Muslim defined as an 'upright man', just vs unjust. . humanity!)and he was not one of the polytheists <- sectarianism, other religions or denominations
Most surely the nearest of people to Ibrahim
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who followed him <- ie. non-sectarian, no religion. . only concerns with humanity, an upright man.
and this Prophet
and those who believeand Allah is the guardian of the believers
(367-6So now eating pork, is okay, brickwall enjoy your sausage and chitterlings. yuck
