Pork is HALAL

Abaddon

Brother, you have a one eyed methodology. Just like Rashad Khalifa had. The Qur'an cant be understood by using pure logic. Iblees also used pure logic. Stop it.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Irrelevant, because it is with proofs and evidences...

Say, "This is my "Islam". "My Islam" is with proofs and evidences! I, as well as those who follow me, call you towards Allah/TRUTH (ie. call you towards proofs and evidences)". (1210

Mahdi_Ibrahim

The Qur'an cant be understood by using pure logic. Iblees also used pure logic

The Sunnatullah/Way of Allah/Nature is ALWAYS LOGICAL in EVERYTHING IT DOES... Pure Logic, The Law of Cause and Effect. The enemy of the Sunnatullah/Way of Allah/Nature/Logic is Iblees.

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On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)

"We know that God exists because mathematics is consistent and we know that the devil/Iblees exists because we cannot prove the consistency." -- Andre Weil

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
Dead animals is not blood. I do not know what you mean?
They are two different things.
Read in context 6145 and 6146.... GOD is saying for the Jews, because of their insolence, more was forbidden for them.
Qpran then listed the things that were forbidden for the Jews but halal for the believers . Qoran did not list the common forbidden items of both in 6146.
Proof, the list of 6146 are not forbidden in Qoran . Or do you say the fat of sheep and cattle are forbidden?

You also will have a problem with "the meat of animals dedicated to other than God." it is not mentioned in 6146 according to the logic you are following with 6146.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Dead animals is not blood. I do not know what you mean?
They are two different things.

This is what I mean... is this consistent?

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Abaddon

There is no logic in transmutation and miracles. Its pure Intuition. Allah is not one eyed. Stop spreading your "scientism islam". The Intellect is not everything. Its intuition which completes our soul. Use all of your brain capacities.

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
Then,your translation of "Lhma Al Khinzeer is a problem. If you say it means Maggoty stinking meat then what about maggoty stinking fat?
Surely by your logic if Qoran does not forbid it then it is halal!!!
Or should I say bring me a verse that says "Shahma al Khinzeer is forbidden?
Bad food, maggoty stinking food, food you do not like are common sense. They come under "not Tayibat". Eat only"Tayibat" food.
GOD bless you.
Peace..

Mahdi_Ibrahim

There is no logic in transmutation and miracles. Its pure Intuition. Allah is not one eyed. Stop spreading your "scientism islam". The Intellect is not everything. Its intuition which completes our soul. Use all of your brain capacities.

Show me one thing from this universe without the LordLaw of Cause & Effect (is Logical)?

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Mahdi_Ibrahim

Peace Mahdi.
Then,your translation of "Lhma Al Khinzeer is a problem. If you say it means Maggoty stinking meat then what about maggoty stinking fat?
Surely by your logic if Qoran does not forbid it then it is halal!!!
Or should I say bring me a verse that says "Shahma al Khinzeer is forbidden?
Bad food, maggoty stinking food, food you do not like are common sense. They come under "not Tayibat". Eat only"Tayibat" food.
GOD bless you.
Peace..

It said "maggotty".

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good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
You said maggoty?
So Lahma Al Khinzeer means just maggoty?
I thought Lahma means meat. And Shama means fat!
So Lahma Al Khinzeer is maggoty meat?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

If it is meat, without maggotty.. then it is HALAL.

pork

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beef

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good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
What about if it fat but maggoty is it forbidden?
Do you see your problem now?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

The subject matter is "magotty"

What is my problem?

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
Either you are now pretending you do not understand the issue or you are deviating. If you say, quote

The subject matter is "magotty"

I have already clarified for you here

You said maggoty?
So Lahma Al Khinzeer means just maggoty?
I thought Lahma means meat. And Shama means fat!
So Lahma Al Khinzeer is maggoty meat?

And here

What about if it fat but maggoty is it forbidden?
Do you see your problem now?

I am saying your translation is problematic if you follow your logic because Qoran has not forbidden "maggoty stinking fat"!
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Who can eat this?

dead animal

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magoty stinking meat

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Mahdi_Ibrahim

What about if it fat but maggoty is it forbidden?
Do you see your problem now?

It said magoty..

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not necessarily meat alone, but also to date and walnut.

and here is the word meat/flesh

http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=35798

magoty + flesh/meat

so what is my problem?

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
You know you have not answered the problem you have..
Actually you are now deliberately repeating the same thing.

Here is my two questions again then
Maggoty meat according to you is "Lahma Al Khinzeer" yes/no?

What is maggoty fat in Arabic and is it forbidden? It should be "Shahma al Khinzeer" if you follow the same translation.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

here is the word for "and the flesh"

http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=35798

maggoty + and the flesh

flesh noun
the soft part of a fruit or vegetable that is under the skin
https//www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus-category/british/parts-of-fruit-and-substances-in-fruit

so what is my problem?

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
Still you have not answered my questions.
Your choice.

Peace All.
Here is a summary of my discussion;.
1- 6146 were additional items forbidden for Beni Israeel and halal in Qoran. Common forbidden items were not mentioned there because they were mentioned in 6145.

2- Brother Mahdi claims "Lahma Al Khinzeer" is maggoty meat. And that is what is forbidden. If things are not forbidden in Qoran they are halal Hence meat of pig is halal.

3- I said to brotherv Mahdi the "mahggoty meat " translation is an error because it leaves the problem of "maggoty fat" -Shahma Al Khinzeer-not forbidden in Qoran, hence halal according to the logic he follows.

Thanks everyone and thank you brother Mahdi for the discussion.
GOD bless.
Peace.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Do you understand the word "flesh"?

flesh noun
the soft part of a fruit or vegetable that is under the skin

https//www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus-category/british/parts-of-fruit-and-substances-in-fruit

flesh

the soft part of the body of a person or animal covering the bones and organs

The flesh of a fruit or vegetable is the soft, inner part.

https//dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flesh

maggoty + and the flesh

nothing in verse 16115 says it is "meat"...

it only said "the flesh of the maggoty/stinking"

Only He has forbidden to you the dead animal and the blood and the flesh (of) the swinemaggoty/stinking , and what has been dedicated to other (than) Allah . But (if) one (is) forced - without (being) disobedient, and not a transgressor - then indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.