Pork is HALAL

Mahdi_Ibrahim

That's not the issue...

The issue is whether Allah made pork haram for the Jews, BECAUSE

The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (in halal foods, ie. pork), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)

AND it is shirk

Say ´Produce your hadither / jurists / witnesses to testify that Allah made this (pork) haram.´ If they do testify, DO NOT I'TIQAD WITH THEM and DO NOT FOLLOW the whims and desires of people who deny Our SIGNS, and who do not have iman in the Next World and MAKE OTHERS EQUAL TO THEIR LORD (SHIRK). (6150)

kaltun

Slm ,

i found these

Surah Al-Baqara, 173

Surahal-Ma'idah 3

Surahal-Ma'idah 60

al-An`am 145

an-Nahl 115

so if i re-read this only Surahal-Ma'idah 60 its talking about the animal swine .... the rest is rotten meat ??

if i check islamawakend.com non of the translator says rotten meat , but all talking about pig/swine flesh !!!!!

Mahdi_Ibrahim

no worry, it is Christian doctrine in Islam...

and it is acted like pig/etc..

muhkamat (fact/logical/cause and effect) and mutasyaabihat (opinion/illogical/delusional)..

What's "SEEN/CONSIDERED" AS

• The monkey sees, monkey do leadership principle; and accordingly..

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no human beings turned into pigs and monkeys

and "seen/considered" is consistent with other verses etc.

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Say "Shall I tell you of a reward with Allah far worse than that that of those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He is angry — turning some of them into monkeys (brain/attitude) and into pigs (brain/attitude) — ie. and who served false LordLaws (political jurisprudence)? Such people are in a worse situation and further from the right way.´ (560)

There are so many "acted like" pigs and monkeys.. Planet of The Apes.

huruf

htWho are jews (as per Qur'an)?

And why should I give a damn about what was forbidden to them or not?

Salaam

Wakas

Already covered
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599591.msg234462#msg234462

The basic conclusion was IF you ignore the form the word is in and Quranic grammar, then yes, you can interpret it the way you imply.

Quote from tanveermd
According to qur'aanic grammar, in the phrases "lahma khinzeerin" or "lahma alkhinzeeri", "khinzeer" CANNOT be an adjective but can only be a noun. This has been discussed numerous times on this forum in the past. Please use the search feature for the relevant threads.

A short explanation is as follows

For "khinzeer" to be an adjective the phrase has to have "AL" before both words or if "AL" is not before both words then both words have to have the same ending of "an" or "un".

For example

"lahmun khinzeerun" or "al-lahma al-khinzeer".

The phrases in al-qur'aan are as follows

"lahma khinzeerin" (6145), and "lahma/lahmu alkhinzeeri" (2173, 53, 16115).

Thus "khinzeer" in those phrases CANNOT be an adjective, and can only mean "pig".

Mahdi_Ibrahim

It is not conclusive because the rule of the grammar ignores "natural sign", logic, cause and effect, consistency, fallacies etc and

Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (482)

e.g.

Dead animal is haram, make sense.
Blood is haram, make sense.
Maggoty stinking meat is haram, make sense.

This is haram?

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Doesn't make sense.

It is inconsistent with dead animal and blood.

Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in another part of it? (285)

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not grammar alone.

wrong interpretation methodology = wrong conclusion.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

And why should I give a damn about what was forbidden to them or not?

Because

The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (in halal foods, ie. pork), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)

The LOSERS

On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)

Those who have iman/common sense and do natural actions, how few they are! (3824)

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
Additional items means pork was already not halal before that.
According to your logic blood should also be halal since it is not mentioned like meat of pork?
You are making a simple mistake of ignoring context.
Or GOD has also forgotten to say blood?
For me flesh of pork is also forbidden, makes sense.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Or GOD has also forgotten to say blood?
For me flesh of pork is also forbidden, makes sense.

How many root words for blood?

Is blood consistent with dead animal?

Is fresh pork consistent with fresh meat?

pork

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beef

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Abaddon

Brother, you have a one eyed methodology. Just like Rashad Khalifa had. The Qur'an cant be understood by using pure logic. Iblees also used pure logic. Stop it.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Irrelevant, because it is with proofs and evidences...

Say, "This is my "Islam". "My Islam" is with proofs and evidences! I, as well as those who follow me, call you towards Allah/TRUTH (ie. call you towards proofs and evidences)". (1210

Mahdi_Ibrahim

The Qur'an cant be understood by using pure logic. Iblees also used pure logic

The Sunnatullah/Way of Allah/Nature is ALWAYS LOGICAL in EVERYTHING IT DOES... Pure Logic, The Law of Cause and Effect. The enemy of the Sunnatullah/Way of Allah/Nature/Logic is Iblees.

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On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)

"We know that God exists because mathematics is consistent and we know that the devil/Iblees exists because we cannot prove the consistency." -- Andre Weil

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
Dead animals is not blood. I do not know what you mean?
They are two different things.
Read in context 6145 and 6146.... GOD is saying for the Jews, because of their insolence, more was forbidden for them.
Qpran then listed the things that were forbidden for the Jews but halal for the believers . Qoran did not list the common forbidden items of both in 6146.
Proof, the list of 6146 are not forbidden in Qoran . Or do you say the fat of sheep and cattle are forbidden?

You also will have a problem with "the meat of animals dedicated to other than God." it is not mentioned in 6146 according to the logic you are following with 6146.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Dead animals is not blood. I do not know what you mean?
They are two different things.

This is what I mean... is this consistent?

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Abaddon

There is no logic in transmutation and miracles. Its pure Intuition. Allah is not one eyed. Stop spreading your "scientism islam". The Intellect is not everything. Its intuition which completes our soul. Use all of your brain capacities.

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
Then,your translation of "Lhma Al Khinzeer is a problem. If you say it means Maggoty stinking meat then what about maggoty stinking fat?
Surely by your logic if Qoran does not forbid it then it is halal!!!
Or should I say bring me a verse that says "Shahma al Khinzeer is forbidden?
Bad food, maggoty stinking food, food you do not like are common sense. They come under "not Tayibat". Eat only"Tayibat" food.
GOD bless you.
Peace..

Mahdi_Ibrahim

There is no logic in transmutation and miracles. Its pure Intuition. Allah is not one eyed. Stop spreading your "scientism islam". The Intellect is not everything. Its intuition which completes our soul. Use all of your brain capacities.

Show me one thing from this universe without the LordLaw of Cause & Effect (is Logical)?

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Mahdi_Ibrahim

Peace Mahdi.
Then,your translation of "Lhma Al Khinzeer is a problem. If you say it means Maggoty stinking meat then what about maggoty stinking fat?
Surely by your logic if Qoran does not forbid it then it is halal!!!
Or should I say bring me a verse that says "Shahma al Khinzeer is forbidden?
Bad food, maggoty stinking food, food you do not like are common sense. They come under "not Tayibat". Eat only"Tayibat" food.
GOD bless you.
Peace..

It said "maggotty".

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good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
You said maggoty?
So Lahma Al Khinzeer means just maggoty?
I thought Lahma means meat. And Shama means fat!
So Lahma Al Khinzeer is maggoty meat?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

If it is meat, without maggotty.. then it is HALAL.

pork

https//renfroesmarket.com/media/catalog/product/f/o/four-boneless-pork-steak-112-p.jpg

beef

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