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    kaltun
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    SLM to all,

    how about human flesh is this also haram or prohibit ???

    or dog-meat
    or snail ?
    or insects like grasshopper ??

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      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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      Please read carefully, otherwise you are just embarrassing yourself.

      Learn about "RELEVANCY OF EVIDENCE" + "ADMISSIBILITY OF EVIDENCE" ...

      nothing to be embarrassed.

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        kaltun
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        Slm,
        to arabic readers ...
        whats it here the difference ??

        and

        are these same words / meaning ??

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          jkhan
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          SLM to all,

          how about human flesh is this also haram or prohibit ???

          or dog-meat
          or snail ?
          or insects like grasshopper ??

          Kaltan...
          Very strange question.... Either you are confused or not getting what the members have explained here or Mahdi has done some black magic to you.
          Okay cool down... Question us to whome Allah address this book to human and jinn.... Can the same God ask or order to have the flesh of fellow human....
          Yes of course human is not included in the four category... Does it mean we can eat human flesh... No way.. That's why Quran should be explored to get the meaning.... Even directly said laws should be scrutinized to apply...
          For example
          4912 " O you who have believed, avoid much assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful"
          Here laham is meat... Can you eat even the dead... No way God says... So how you would kill and eat... Or killing us allowed.. No... So pls use god gifted knowledge...
          BTW other two categories are allowed in your questions..
          God guide you... And us...

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            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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            Mahdi has done some black magic to you.

            no need to slander and argue like a man (vs. pussy) .. slander is the tool for the LOSER.

            https//i.pinimg.com/originals/b5/74/14/b5741405c9a6f59b482a30a1f6d36a6d.jpg

            When you brought them the Clear Signs/ARGUMENTS and those of them who were kafir said, "This is nothing but downright magic" (5110)

            Here is the ISSUE

            Where did Allah said "MEAT ALONE", or EVEN MEAT in 6145 2173, 53, and 16115?

            (2013 Edition) ...and the meat of pig

            (Word by Word) ...and the flesh (of)
            Muhammad Asad ...and the flesh of
            M. M. Pickthall ...flesh and
            Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) ...and the flesh of
            Yusuf Ali (Orig. 193 ...and the flesh of
            Shakir ...and flesh of
            Wahiduddin Khan ...and the flesh of
            Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar ...and flesh of
            Safi Kaskas ...and the flesh of
            Abdul Hye ...the flesh of
            The Study Quran ...and the flesh of
            Abdul Majid Daryabadi ...flesh
            Ahmed Ali ...and the flesh of
            Ali Ünal ...and the flesh of
            Ali Quli Qara'i ...the flesh of
            Hamid S. Aziz ...and the flesh of
            Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali ...and the flesh of
            Muhammad Sarwar ...the flesh of
            Muhammad Taqi Usmani ...the flesh of
            Shabbir Ahmed ...flesh
            Syed Vickar Ahamed ...and the flesh of
            Umm Muhammad (Sahih International) ...the flesh of
            Dr. Munir Munshey ...flesh
            Dr. Kamal Omar ...and the flesh of
            Talal A. Itani (new translation) ....and the flesh of
            Maududi ....and the flesh of
            A.L. Bilal Muhammad et al (201 ...the flesh of
            Mohammad Shafi ...flesh of

            flesh

            The flesh of a fruit or vegetable is the soft, inner part.

            http//i66.tinypic.com/j5b2v6.jpg

            The flesh of meat
            The flesh of date (fruit)
            The flesh of walnut (fruit)

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              kaltun
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              Kaltan...
              Very strange question.... Either you are confused or not getting what the members have explained here or Mahdi has done some black magic to you.
              Okay cool down... Question us to whome Allah address this book to human and jinn.... Can the same God ask or order to have the flesh of fellow human....
              Yes of course human is not included in the four category... Does it mean we can eat human flesh... No way.. That's why Quran should be explored to get the meaning.... Even directly said laws should be scrutinized to apply...
              For example
              4912 " O you who have believed, avoid much assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful"
              Here laham is meat... Can you eat even the dead... No way God says... So how you would kill and eat... Or killing us allowed.. No... So pls use god gifted knowledge...
              BTW other two categories are allowed in your questions..
              God guide you... And us...

              SLM jkhan,

              first weird that my post is adjust by ???....

              but indeed i am very confused now with what mahdi presented... i dont know arabic language, but i can recognize words and grammars....

              about cannibalism , 4912 gives perfect answer to it ...thx for this ...so human fles is haram/ prohibit .....

              but if i check the words what presented ..... what struck me is the words are different ....

              and

              are not same ... or are they ???
              can arabic reader confirm this ???
              @jkhan dont get me wrong , but why is this alowed ?? so your saying and is the same ?

              what i known about the Quran is that Allah did pick / use his words carefully ....

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                imrankhawaja
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                So your argument Allah needs to mention all animals' names in the Quran?

                That is your merit?

                Irrelevant.

                not any argument/merit at all.

                if an animal/thing exist LANGUAGE must have some word sometimes more than one word to describe that animal/thing.

                asking again what is the arabic word for animal PIG ?

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                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                  الْخَنَا زِ يرَ

                  and
                  الْخِنزِيرِ

                  They know it is different in meaning and it can be proven for consistency

                  Dead animal is haram, make sense.
                  Blood is haram, make sense.
                  Maggoty/stinking flesh of meat/fruit is haram, make sense.

                  But fresh pork is haram, doesn't make sense at all.

                  pork

                  https//renfroesmarket.com/media/catalog/product/f/o/four-boneless-pork-steak-112-p.jpg

                  beef

                  https//images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91UoofRIyEL.SX355.jpg

                  https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31120748_2089978694552044_4593648560994537197_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=385df69ef9873df7da35a241a1fcc569&oe=5CBF71EE

                  Only He has forbidden to you the dead animals, and blood, and flesh (of) swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ), and what has been dedicated to other than Allah. So whoever (is) forced by necessity without (being) disobedient and not transgressor, then no sin on him. Indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (2173)

                  Are made unlawful on you the dead animals, and the blood, and flesh (of) the swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ), and what has been dedicated to other than Allah, , and that which is strangled (t and that which is hit fatally, and that which has a fatal fal and that which is gored by hor and that which ate (it) the wild animal except what you slaughtered, and what is sacrificed on the stone altars, and that you seek division by divining arrows - that (is) grave disobedience. This day (have) despaired those who disbelieved of your religion, so (do) not fear them, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and I have completed upon you My Favor and I have approved for you Islam (as) a religion. But whoever (is) forced by hunger (and) not inclining to sin, then indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (53)

                  Say, "I (do) not find in what has been revealed to me (anything) forbidden to an eater who eats it except that it be dead or blood poured forth or (the) flesh (of) swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ) - for indeed, it (is) filth - or (it be) disobedience, dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever (is) compelled not desiring and not transgressing, then indeed, your Lord (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (6145)

                  Only He has forbidden to you the dead animal and the blood and the flesh (of) the swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ), and what has been dedicated to other (than) Allah . But (if) one (is) forced - without (being) disobedient, and not a transgressor - then indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (16115)

                  Here is the ISSUE

                  Where did Allah said "MEAT ALONE", or EVEN MEAT in 6145 2173, 53, and 16115?

                  (2013 Edition) ...and the meat of pig

                  Do you hope, then, that they will believe you, seeing that a party of them would hear the Word of God and then distort it after they had understood it, knowingly? (275)

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                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                    Verse 53

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                      imrankhawaja
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                      asking again what is the arabic word for animal PIG ?

                      dunt u know the arabic of PIG?
                      there is no arabic word for PIG?
                      you DONT wana give answer?

                      choose the best question.

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                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                        What's the point to the issue raised; as to whether it is "meat" or "flesh"?

                        and...

                        They know it is different in meaning and it can be proven for consistency

                        Dead animal is haram, make sense.
                        Blood is haram, make sense.
                        Maggoty/stinking flesh of meat/fruit is haram, make sense.

                        But fresh pork is haram, doesn't make sense at all.

                        No difference at all...

                        these two words are not the same

                        الْخَنَا زِ يرَ

                        and
                        الْخِنزِيرِ

                        https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50943345_2278455669037678_5379525952185303040_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=3c4dd3813048b4a095ccc4aff2bb2364&oe=5CBEED28

                        and with 4 + 1 root words for pig..

                        Irrelevant.

                        http//3.bp.blogspot.com/-LvYSJ5nxAKI/UKReGB0uE5I/AAAAAAAAAHA/7TcX20k01J8/s1600/Relevant-Admissible+Equation.png

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          @ mehdi i m going to google it dunt worry.
                          yeah ignore

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                            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                            Trolling does not in any way prove your argument.

                            perhaps, that's what you are. enjoy.


                            Here is the ISSUE

                            Where did Allah said "MEAT ALONE", or EVEN MEAT in 6145 2173, 53, and 16115?

                            (2013 Edition) ...and the meat of pig

                            (Word by Word) ...and the flesh (of)
                            Muhammad Asad ...and the flesh of
                            M. M. Pickthall ...flesh and
                            Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) ...and the flesh of
                            Yusuf Ali (Orig. 193 ...and the flesh of
                            Shakir ...and flesh of
                            Wahiduddin Khan ...and the flesh of
                            Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar ...and flesh of
                            Safi Kaskas ...and the flesh of
                            Abdul Hye ...the flesh of
                            The Study Quran ...and the flesh of
                            Abdul Majid Daryabadi ...flesh
                            Ahmed Ali ...and the flesh of
                            Ali Ünal ...and the flesh of
                            Ali Quli Qara'i ...the flesh of
                            Hamid S. Aziz ...and the flesh of
                            Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali ...and the flesh of
                            Muhammad Sarwar ...the flesh of
                            Muhammad Taqi Usmani ...the flesh of
                            Shabbir Ahmed ...flesh
                            Syed Vickar Ahamed ...and the flesh of
                            Umm Muhammad (Sahih International) ...the flesh of
                            Dr. Munir Munshey ...flesh
                            Dr. Kamal Omar ...and the flesh of
                            Talal A. Itani (new translation) ....and the flesh of
                            Maududi ....and the flesh of
                            A.L. Bilal Muhammad et al (201 ...the flesh of
                            Mohammad Shafi ...flesh of

                            flesh

                            The flesh of a fruit or vegetable is the soft, inner part.

                            http//i66.tinypic.com/j5b2v6.jpg

                            The flesh of meat
                            The flesh of date (fruit)
                            The flesh of walnut (fruit)


                            and...

                            They know it is different in meaning and it can be proven for consistency

                            Dead animal is haram, make sense.
                            Blood is haram, make sense.
                            Maggoty/stinking flesh of meat/fruit is haram, make sense.

                            But fresh pork is haram, doesn't make sense at all.

                            these two words are not the same

                            الْخَنَا زِ يرَ

                            and
                            الْخِنزِيرِ

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                              imrankhawaja
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                              Trolling does not in any way prove your argument.

                              perhaps, that's what you are. enjoy.

                              dunt worry about the trollers we know they are in every thread now a days.just ignore them

                              but the people who are asking genuine questions atleast answer them or tell them u dont know the arabic of PIG how hard is that ?

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                                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                dont know the arabic of PIG how hard is that ?

                                and yet I read the Quran and raise an issue on the word "PIG", see?

                                Irrelevant, and especially when the argument is ..

                                these two words are not the same

                                الْخَنَا زِ يرَ

                                and
                                الْخِنزِيرِ

                                What a troll.

                                So when will you answer the above issues?

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                                  imrankhawaja
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                                  i just noticed it.

                                  rotfl ancient language u need a special translator for this who can decode the ancient machine language.

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                                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                    No counterargument for the above issues?

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                                      imrankhawaja
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                                      No counterargument for the above issues?

                                      actually lets take it this way

                                      what arabs say when they see a pig ?

                                      forget about quran/halal/haram etc.

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                                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                        That does not mean the Quran says it is PIG..

                                        and when the issue; these two words are not the same

                                        الْخَنَا زِ يرَ

                                        and
                                        الْخِنزِيرِ

                                        (plus all the above issues.. )

                                        Is that words mean the same?

                                        Yes? No?

                                        https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50943345_2278455669037678_5379525952185303040_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=3c4dd3813048b4a095ccc4aff2bb2364&oe=5CBEED28

                                        faster, you are so slow...

                                        So when will you answer the above issues?

                                        Only He has forbidden to you the dead animals, and blood, and flesh (of) swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ), and what has been dedicated to other than Allah. So whoever (is) forced by necessity without (being) disobedient and not transgressor, then no sin on him. Indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (2173)

                                        Are made unlawful on you the dead animals, and the blood, and flesh (of) the swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ), and what has been dedicated to other than Allah, , and that which is strangled (t and that which is hit fatally, and that which has a fatal fal and that which is gored by hor and that which ate (it) the wild animal except what you slaughtered, and what is sacrificed on the stone altars, and that you seek division by divining arrows - that (is) grave disobedience. This day (have) despaired those who disbelieved of your religion, so (do) not fear them, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and I have completed upon you My Favor and I have approved for you Islam (as) a religion. But whoever (is) forced by hunger (and) not inclining to sin, then indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (53)

                                        Say, "I (do) not find in what has been revealed to me (anything) forbidden to an eater who eats it except that it be dead or blood poured forth or (the) flesh (of) swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ) - for indeed, it (is) filth - or (it be) disobedience, dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever (is) compelled not desiring and not transgressing, then indeed, your Lord (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (6145)

                                        Only He has forbidden to you the dead animal and the blood and the flesh (of) the swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ), and what has been dedicated to other (than) Allah . But (if) one (is) forced - without (being) disobedient, and not a transgressor - then indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (16115)

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                                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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