Pork is HALAL
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Kaltan...
Very strange question.... Either you are confused or not getting what the members have explained here or Mahdi has done some black magic to you.
Okay cool down... Question us to whome Allah address this book to human and jinn.... Can the same God ask or order to have the flesh of fellow human....
Yes of course human is not included in the four category... Does it mean we can eat human flesh... No way.. That's why Quran should be explored to get the meaning.... Even directly said laws should be scrutinized to apply...
For example
4912 " O you who have believed, avoid much assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful"
Here laham is meat... Can you eat even the dead... No way God says... So how you would kill and eat... Or killing us allowed.. No... So pls use god gifted knowledge...
BTW other two categories are allowed in your questions..
God guide you... And us...SLM jkhan,
first weird that my post is adjust by ???....
but indeed i am very confused now with what mahdi presented... i dont know arabic language, but i can recognize words and grammars....
about cannibalism , 4912 gives perfect answer to it ...thx for this ...so human fles is haram/ prohibit .....
but if i check the words what presented ..... what struck me is the words are different ....
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are not same ... or are they ???
can arabic reader confirm this ???
@jkhan dont get me wrong , but why is this alowed ?? so your saying and is the same ?what i known about the Quran is that Allah did pick / use his words carefully ....
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So your argument Allah needs to mention all animals' names in the Quran?
That is your merit?
Irrelevant.
not any argument/merit at all.
if an animal/thing exist LANGUAGE must have some word sometimes more than one word to describe that animal/thing.
asking again what is the arabic word for animal PIG ?
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الْخَنَا زِ يرَ
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الْخِنزِيرِThey know it is different in meaning and it can be proven for consistency
Dead animal is haram, make sense.
Blood is haram, make sense.
Maggoty/stinking flesh of meat/fruit is haram, make sense.But fresh pork is haram, doesn't make sense at all.
pork
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beef
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Only He has forbidden to you the dead animals, and blood, and flesh (of) swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ), and what has been dedicated to other than Allah. So whoever (is) forced by necessity without (being) disobedient and not transgressor, then no sin on him. Indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (2173)
Are made unlawful on you the dead animals, and the blood, and flesh (of) the swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ), and what has been dedicated to other than Allah, , and that which is strangled (t and that which is hit fatally, and that which has a fatal fal and that which is gored by hor and that which ate (it) the wild animal except what you slaughtered, and what is sacrificed on the stone altars, and that you seek division by divining arrows - that (is) grave disobedience. This day (have) despaired those who disbelieved of your religion, so (do) not fear them, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and I have completed upon you My Favor and I have approved for you Islam (as) a religion. But whoever (is) forced by hunger (and) not inclining to sin, then indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (53)
Say, "I (do) not find in what has been revealed to me (anything) forbidden to an eater who eats it except that it be dead or blood poured forth or (the) flesh (of) swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ) - for indeed, it (is) filth - or (it be) disobedience, dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever (is) compelled not desiring and not transgressing, then indeed, your Lord (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (6145)
Only He has forbidden to you the dead animal and the blood and the flesh (of) the swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ), and what has been dedicated to other (than) Allah . But (if) one (is) forced - without (being) disobedient, and not a transgressor - then indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (16115)
Here is the ISSUE
Where did Allah said "MEAT ALONE", or EVEN MEAT in 6145 2173, 53, and 16115?
(2013 Edition) ...and the meat of pig
Do you hope, then, that they will believe you, seeing that a party of them would hear the Word of God and then distort it after they had understood it, knowingly? (275)
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Verse 53
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asking again what is the arabic word for animal PIG ?
dunt u know the arabic of PIG?
there is no arabic word for PIG?
you DONT wana give answer?choose the best question.
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What's the point to the issue raised; as to whether it is "meat" or "flesh"?
and...
They know it is different in meaning and it can be proven for consistency
Dead animal is haram, make sense.
Blood is haram, make sense.
Maggoty/stinking flesh of meat/fruit is haram, make sense.But fresh pork is haram, doesn't make sense at all.
No difference at all...
these two words are not the same
الْخَنَا زِ يرَ
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الْخِنزِيرِhttps//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50943345_2278455669037678_5379525952185303040_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=3c4dd3813048b4a095ccc4aff2bb2364&oe=5CBEED28
and with 4 + 1 root words for pig..
Irrelevant.
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@ mehdi i m going to google it dunt worry.
yeah ignore -
Trolling does not in any way prove your argument.
perhaps, that's what you are. enjoy.
Here is the ISSUE
Where did Allah said "MEAT ALONE", or EVEN MEAT in 6145 2173, 53, and 16115?
(2013 Edition) ...and the meat of pig
(Word by Word) ...and the flesh (of)
Muhammad Asad ...and the flesh of
M. M. Pickthall ...flesh and
Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) ...and the flesh of
Yusuf Ali (Orig. 193 ...and the flesh of
Shakir ...and flesh of
Wahiduddin Khan ...and the flesh of
Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar ...and flesh of
Safi Kaskas ...and the flesh of
Abdul Hye ...the flesh of
The Study Quran ...and the flesh of
Abdul Majid Daryabadi ...flesh
Ahmed Ali ...and the flesh of
Ali Ünal ...and the flesh of
Ali Quli Qara'i ...the flesh of
Hamid S. Aziz ...and the flesh of
Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali ...and the flesh of
Muhammad Sarwar ...the flesh of
Muhammad Taqi Usmani ...the flesh of
Shabbir Ahmed ...flesh
Syed Vickar Ahamed ...and the flesh of
Umm Muhammad (Sahih International) ...the flesh of
Dr. Munir Munshey ...flesh
Dr. Kamal Omar ...and the flesh of
Talal A. Itani (new translation) ....and the flesh of
Maududi ....and the flesh of
A.L. Bilal Muhammad et al (201 ...the flesh of
Mohammad Shafi ...flesh offlesh
The flesh of a fruit or vegetable is the soft, inner part.
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The flesh of meat
The flesh of date (fruit)
The flesh of walnut (fruit)
and...
They know it is different in meaning and it can be proven for consistency
Dead animal is haram, make sense.
Blood is haram, make sense.
Maggoty/stinking flesh of meat/fruit is haram, make sense.But fresh pork is haram, doesn't make sense at all.
these two words are not the same
الْخَنَا زِ يرَ
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الْخِنزِيرِ -
Trolling does not in any way prove your argument.
perhaps, that's what you are. enjoy.
dunt worry about the trollers we know they are in every thread now a days.just ignore them
but the people who are asking genuine questions atleast answer them or tell them u dont know the arabic of PIG how hard is that ?
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dont know the arabic of PIG how hard is that ?
and yet I read the Quran and raise an issue on the word "PIG", see?
Irrelevant, and especially when the argument is ..
these two words are not the same
الْخَنَا زِ يرَ
and
الْخِنزِيرِWhat a troll.
So when will you answer the above issues?
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i just noticed it.
rotfl ancient language u need a special translator for this who can decode the ancient machine language.
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No counterargument for the above issues?
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No counterargument for the above issues?
actually lets take it this way
what arabs say when they see a pig ?
forget about quran/halal/haram etc.
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That does not mean the Quran says it is PIG..
and when the issue; these two words are not the same
الْخَنَا زِ يرَ
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الْخِنزِيرِ(plus all the above issues.. )
Is that words mean the same?
Yes? No?
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faster, you are so slow...
So when will you answer the above issues?
Only He has forbidden to you the dead animals, and blood, and flesh (of) swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ), and what has been dedicated to other than Allah. So whoever (is) forced by necessity without (being) disobedient and not transgressor, then no sin on him. Indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (2173)
Are made unlawful on you the dead animals, and the blood, and flesh (of) the swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ), and what has been dedicated to other than Allah, , and that which is strangled (t and that which is hit fatally, and that which has a fatal fal and that which is gored by hor and that which ate (it) the wild animal except what you slaughtered, and what is sacrificed on the stone altars, and that you seek division by divining arrows - that (is) grave disobedience. This day (have) despaired those who disbelieved of your religion, so (do) not fear them, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and I have completed upon you My Favor and I have approved for you Islam (as) a religion. But whoever (is) forced by hunger (and) not inclining to sin, then indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (53)
Say, "I (do) not find in what has been revealed to me (anything) forbidden to an eater who eats it except that it be dead or blood poured forth or (the) flesh (of) swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ) - for indeed, it (is) filth - or (it be) disobedience, dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever (is) compelled not desiring and not transgressing, then indeed, your Lord (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (6145)
Only He has forbidden to you the dead animal and the blood and the flesh (of) the swine maggoty/stinking (خِنزِ) seen/considered (يرَ), and what has been dedicated to other (than) Allah . But (if) one (is) forced - without (being) disobedient, and not a transgressor - then indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (16115)
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Slm,
to arabic readers ...
whats it here the difference ??and
are these same words / meaning ??
Kaltun peace
Proofs are glaring and I advise pls read again this topic from the beginning with care and meticulously...
FYI.... Quran presents laham 12 times and non of those occasions are concerned with any other meaning other than meat... Whatever meat only meat.. Not that....
So according to language of Quran we cannot drag the meaning of laham to be flesh of any other things except of animal including human...
Further khinzeer spears and we aware 4 times and before the word of khinzeer, word laham appears... And khanazeer spears once and it is plural of swine and it refered only to the animal....
If you use bit more sense anf hard word you will know the truth..
Quran doesn't support the claim of Mahdi.... Me Mahdi I am ready accept your view of it made sense to me and after verification IN quran... I am not a denier of truth when manifest....
Now tell me kaltun.. What is your doubt.. I am not clear what is your doubts actually...
Is it khinzeer or laham or khanazeer
Khinzeer = swine
Laham = meat of animal including human
Khinzeer = swines...
There is no place for decay meat...
GOD PROHIBITED TGE MEAT OF SWINE OR PORK... that's it...If swine is not in this category... God could have so old said... All living creatures are lawful for you O! humans and jinns except their blood, when it is dead or sacrificed other Allah
There is no decomposed meat here in this category and it is only conjecture....
God bless u -
Slm jkhan,
thank you for trying to clarifying to me ... i appreciate it ....thx
firs thing first , even its aloud ( according to Mahdi Ibrahim) to eat pork , its unhealthy flesh/meat and dont advice to eat it ....
but jkhan its also make sense if its talking about rotten/ maggots... lets compare it...
If swine is not in this category... God could have so old said... All living creatures are lawful for you O! humans and jinns except their blood, when it is dead or sacrificed other Allah
if i eat a meat / flesh of a halal meat , but due carelessness the meat began to rot or get maggot on it , it would harm my body
but if i eat porkmeat and its prepared in the right way it would not harm my body ( unless i am sensitive to the pork-meat)Now tell me kaltun.. What is your doubt.. I am not clear what is your doubts actually...
Is it khinzeer or laham or khanazeerkhinzeer and khanazeer are these both same words???
and if we check this words
its used when its haram/prohibit
and this words
its used when talking about a pig/swine...
i find it odd ...ps if we could see the expression of Imrankawaya like ... huh?? he is arguing with himself rotfl
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Peace Mahdi.
It is easy to prove your argument is wrong. you say, quoteWhat's the point to the issue raised; as to whether it is "meat" or "flesh"?
Well, 6146 kills your argument 100%
6146
For those who are Jewish we prohibited animals with undivided hoofs; and of the cattle and sheep we prohibited the fat, except that which is carried on their backs, or in the viscera, or mixed with bones. That was a retribution for their transgressions, and we are truthful.As you can see only "Shahm"-fat- of cattle and sheep was forbidden for Beni Israeel." Lahm"-meat or flesh if you prefer- has not been forbidden.
Similarly ,according to your take "Lahm Al Khinzeer" -maggoty stinking flesh- was forbidden-hence pork meat is halal'
But "Shahm Al Khinzeer- maggoty stinking fat- was not mentioned and according to your same logic it is halal.Qoran clearly distinguishes between "Lahm" and "Shahm " . Like you said GOD does not forget or errs or leaves issues .If Lahm Al Khinzeer included fat, we all have an argument against GOD for not clarifying both.
Your argument leaves you stuck, i.e not all "maggoty stinking food" is forbidden, since fat was not mentioned.Don t you think if it was as you say GOD would have said "Aklun Khinzeeran" without the "Al" to give the correct meaning of "all bad maggoty food" .That would have saved your bacon.
Thank you brother and please reflect on what has been said to you and what you are saying. Don t dig a bigger hole for yourself.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mahdi.
It is easy to prove your argument is wrong. you say, quoteWhat's the point to the issue raised; as to whether it is "meat" or "flesh"?
Well, 6146 kills your argument 100%
6146
For those who are Jewish we prohibited animals with undivided hoofs; and of the cattle and sheep we prohibited the fat, except that which is carried on their backs, or in the viscera, or mixed with bones. That was a retribution for their transgressions, and we are truthful.
وَعَلَى الَّذينَ هادوا حَرَّمنا كُلَّ ذى ظُفُرٍ وَمِنَ البَقَرِ وَالغَنَمِ حَرَّمنا عَلَيهِم شُحومَهُما إِلّا ما حَمَلَت ظُهورُهُما أَوِ الحَوايا أَو مَا اختَلَطَ بِعَظمٍ ذٰلِكَ جَزَينٰهُم بِبَغيِهِم وَإِنّا لَصٰدِقونَAs you can see only "Shahm"-fat- of cattle and sheep was forbidden for Beni Israeel." Lahm"-meat or flesh if you prefer- has not been forbidden.
Similarly ,according to your take "Lahm Al Khinzeer" -maggoty stinking flesh- was forbidden-hence pork meat is halal'
But "Shahm Al Khinzeer- maggoty stinking fat- was not mentioned and according to your same logic it is halal.Qoran clearly distinguishes between "Lahm" and "Shahm " . Like you said GOD does not forget or errs or leaves issues .If Lahm Al Khinzeer included fat, we all have an argument against GOD for not clarifying both.
Your argument leaves you stuck, i.e not all "maggoty stinking food" is forbidden, since fat was not mentioned.Don t you think if it was as you say GOD would have said "Aklun Khinzeeran" without the "Al" to give the correct meaning of "all bad maggoty food" .That would have saved your bacon.
Thank you brother and please reflect on what has been said to you and what you are saying. Don t dig a bigger hole for yourself.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Not even close...
What is the issue about fat etc?
I never raise that issue and it is irrelevant / out of topic because I said
Did Allah forget to mention about "Pork"?
WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with ... (6146)
Allah mention nothing about pork was made haram for the Jews
Pork is halal for the Jews.
and Allah said
The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK (pork) is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (halal foods and pork <- was not made haram for the Jews), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)
accordingly, pork is halal for Muslim.
Understand the issue?
It follows your translation about pork is inconsistent with the above ayats because pork is halal for the people of the book and "...The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK (pork) is also halal for you..."
Therefore, here Allah said pork is halal for People of the Book and Muslim...
and your translation is inconsistent with the verses claimed to be about pork itself... it doesn't says meat alone, but flesh... flesh of meat, flesh of fruits, or flesh of.... etc. Anything maggoty/stinking was made haram by these verses; be it meat or fruits etc.. whatever.
see how your argument about pork is full of contradiction?
Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (482)
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Peace Mahdi.
I have shown you clearly the "Lahm Al Khinzeer" does not include fat in it.
Qoran has two fdifferent words "Lahm and Shahm. GOD would not use Lahm to mean fat or vice versa (Verse 6146).You are saying"Lahm Al Khinzeer = All maggoty stinking flesh. This is wrong it cannot include fat since Qoran distinguishes between the two. Hence Qoran does not mention "Shahm Al Khinzeer" and according to your logic if Qoran does not mention it ,it is Halal.
Or What would Shahm Al Khinzeer mean to you?
Therefore your translation of "Lahm Al Khinzeer to mean all flesh including the fat is wrong. Fat is "Shahm" in Arabic not Lahm.
This renders all your argument /logic false.
GOD bless you.
Peace.