Pork is HALAL
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Peace Mahdi.
I gave you my counter argument that the verse you based your argument on has not listed all the items forbidden . Only additional items were listed there. Blood was not mentioned, dead animals were not mentioned, food for idols was not mentioned.
Why are they forbidden according to your logic?
I am asking you to give a complete list because you are not basing your argument on facts and clear verses of all the items. If you cannot,thenyour argument is nullified.
GOD bless you.
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I think you have comprehension issue..
What it said?
You who have iman! do not ask about matters which, if they were made known to you, would make things difficult for you. If you do ask about them when the Quran is being sent down, they will be made known to you. Allah has ignored them. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, All-Forbearing. (5101)
and logic issue.
Be free to repeat your issues. 16 pages... I'm done wasting time with an argument by repetition and pointless issue (#strawman_fallacy #redherring_fallacy), and listen to what others have to say/evidence/verses on this issue.
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Peace Mahdi.
If you had proper evidence, you would have answered my point.
Because you based your argument on misunderstanding verse 6146, you now see the problem you have created with your assumption.
Simply you cannot provide proof of what you say.
That is fine by me. We take it as your own view of the verse.
GOD bless you.
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What it said?
You who have iman! do not ask about matters which, if they were made known to you, would make things difficult for you. If you do ask about them when the Quran is being sent down, they will be made known to you. Allah has ignored them. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, All-Forbearing. (5101)
You have been asking the same question from the start, and cannot show me any verses to counter the above argumentl ie. "if Allah said nothing about it, then be free...it is HALAL," Allah has ignored them. Allah is Ever-Forgiving.
Similarly, Allah said nothing about pork was made haram for the Jews. Therefore, it is HALAL, be free to eat it... Allah has ignored them. Allah is Ever-Forgiving; in case it is bad to eat pork.
THE DEFINITION OF IGNORANT PEOPLE
267 And when Musa said to his people
"Allah commands you to sacrifice a cow
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they said, "What! Are you making a mockery of us?"
He said, "I seek refuge with Allah from being one of the ignorant!"
268 They said, "Ask your Lord to make it clear to us what it should be like."
He said, "He says it should be a cow, not old or virgin, but somewhere between the two.
So do as you have been told."
269 They said, "Ask your Lord to make it clear to us what colour it should be."
He said, "He says it should be a red cow, the colour of sorrel, a pleasure to all who look."
270 They said, "Ask your Lord to make it clear to us what it should be like. Cows are all much the same to us. Then, if Allah wills, we will be guided."
271 He said, "He says it should be a cow not trained to plough or irrigate the fields — completely sound, without a blemish on it."
They said, "Now you have brought the truth."
So they sacrificed it — but they almost did not do it.
(They almost did not make pork halal, and when Allah said nothing about pork was made haram for the Jews ... and The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is halal for you ... (55))
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By the pen, and all that they write (about their nonsense / forced justice / political jurisprudence vs. Sunnatullah, LordLaw of Nature, Natural Justice)! (681)
so think again, carefully..
fresh meat is haram!?. rotfl
(equals to blood of the kuffar is halal, drinking camel pee for Allah etc)
Which of you is mad? (686)
On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full (WITH MAD PEOPLE)? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)
?The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.?
― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited
delusion.n. an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=usARgdrzPnA
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Next The Blood of the Kuffar is Halal? Blood of the Shiites is Halal? Blood of the Jews is Halal?
By the tone of few it looks like pork is over.... Joke is on....
What about digging Mary a prophet again or to say Mary had a husband....
I wonder in Quran matter discussion wr ever need to turn to jest... .
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Peace All.
This thread needs a summary, then put to bed(All Mahdi s quotes are in brackets).This is what Mahdi asked originally, quote
(Did Allah forget to mention about "Pork"?
WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence. And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146))
This is my answer to Mahdi
Did Allah forget to mention about blood, dead meat and food for idols in that verse also?
Why are you saying they are haram?Then he continued, quote
(Maggoty stinking meat is haram?
Make sense.)
I said What about maggoty stinking fat?
He was not going to talk about fat, as it was irrelevant!
I said Qoran uses two words Lahm and Shahm ,you have not clarified about "Shahm Al Khinzeer?Then he kept repeating this, quote
(The FOOD (flesh of swine) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... ... (55))
I said gives us a list of what was forbidden for the Jews since other items were also missing from 6146 so we can check your claim. It does not seem logical if blood and dead animals and...were also not mentioned!
And he kept repeating this also, quote
(So your Allah forgot to make haram pork for the Jews? There, nothing mentioned about pork was made haram for the Jews, in verse 6146.)Yes you are now guessing what I said, I was repeating some very useful and logical question to him as well, like Allah also did not mention blood and dead animals ...and gave him the reason for it. That they were additional items in 6146. Allah only mentioned what was added extra to the Jews .
Then he proceeded to ask this ,quote
(Where in the Quran pork was made haram for the Jews?What verse? show me... )
Where in the Qoran pork was made halal for the Jews?
Or give us the complete list of forbidden items for the JewsOf course he kept repeating this, quote
(Do you understand my question?
The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... ... (55)))
How do we know without the list I asked for? I asked this many times
Of course he insisted with, quote
(So you cannot prove Allah made haram pork for the Jews?
(and your Allah forgot to make haram pork for the Jews)
There is no such verse from the Quran... right?)
Mahdi is asking us to prove something he does not have evidence for.
Mahdi is assuming pork is halal without proving his case.
At the end, it is his view ,but one cannot claim it is a fact if it is not evidenced properly.
Thank you all.
GOD bless.
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By the tone of few it looks like pork is over.... Joke is on....
It's not a joke at all..
"We are searching for the Shi?a village, a hamlet, called Nangkernang that was recently attacked, and savagely destroyed by local Sunni religious bigots." Prof. Azyumardi Azra, a director of the Graduate School of State Islamic University in Jakarta, explained
?Since the early 1980s, Saudi Arabia with their Wahabbism, using some Indonesian alumni from Saudi Arabia, has tried to destroy Shi?a teaching."
?Shi?a Blood is Halal!?
https//www.counterpunch.org/2012/11/02/shia-blood-is-haram/And...
https//strevennaarhetparadijs.wordpress.com/2017/10/12/whats-the-rule-about-the-blood-of-a-kafir/
At-Tabari said, ? The ulema have agreed that even if a mushrik were to wear the bark of all the trees of the Haram around his neck and on his arms, that would not grant him safety from being killed unless the Muslims gave him a covenant of dhimmah or security.?
Muslims must be remind- ed that the blood of the disbelievers is halal, and killing them is a form of worship to Allah, the Lord, King, and God of mankind. Striking terror into the hearts of all disbelievers is a Muslim?s duty. As Allah said "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."(Al Anfal 12) -
Sister huruf.
Like you said the answer to "is pork halal ?" can be found in Qoran explicitly and clearly. There is no doubt about it.I personally do not mind if anyone says anything they want but states it is their view.
If they think they have a refutable proof, then state it .
But be ready to answer all enquiries about it . They cannot ignore questions or refuse to answer them by simply ignoring logical relevant questions.
Of course some stick to their views ,but unless they can prove without a doubt their case they remain simply their opinion.
This and other threads are discussions between members and often one can tell where the thread is going and whether it is useful.
Sometimes proofs are in the eye of the beholder and each may think they have their proof but the readers will decide anyway by the contents.The main question in this thread is
Has the brother proven beyond a doubt his claim that pork is halal?
Readers of the thread decide for themselves after going through the posts
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But it is better if one can study Qoran to see for themselves what it really says about it.
GOD bless you.
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If the Qur'an says specifically more than once that the meat of pig is forbidden to those who follow the Qur'an revelation
what else do we need to understand that?
Salaam
yes, except who desire and revert to eating stinky maggoty tempt
2173 so who forced other than desire and not revert so not detriment on him indeed the god forgiver merciful
53 so who forced in predicament other than inclining to detriment so indeed the god forgiver merciful
6145 so who forced other than desire and not revert so that lord your forgiver merciful
16115 so who forced other than desire and not revert so indeed the god forgiver mercifulpeace!
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and
can anyone please tell me if these words are the same ?
they're same i.e. spelling which alif not in earliest manuscripts added ~200 years later to denote "plural" along with countless other alif's during rewrite evolving script.
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We go from one crazy subject to the next, first the earth is flat brickwall
to pork is halal brickwall what's next?
lol i dont have time reading all but thanks for ur post telling me whats going on .
as i expected when a liar(flatearth) vs a liar( porky guy) debate it must be interesting to see stupidity of both of them rotfl lets not waste their work and enhance the equation what they made i have a solution equation for both of them.ENERGY===>FLATEARTH===>HANZEER and next is production of (stupids) in output.
if u dnt follow the guesswork then u r kaffir. lmao.RESULTS 1 pork is halal. 2 MATH is haram as per (FE) !
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Sister huruf.
Like you said the answer to "is pork halal ?" can be found in Qoran explicitly and clearly. There is no doubt about it.I personally do not mind if anyone says anything they want but states it is their view.
If they think they have a refutable proof, then state it .
But be ready to answer all enquiries about it . They cannot ignore questions or refuse to answer them by simply ignoring logical relevant questions.
Of course some stick to their views ,but unless they can prove without a doubt their case they remain simply their opinion.
This and other threads are discussions between members and often one can tell where the thread is going and whether it is useful.
Sometimes proofs are in the eye of the beholder and each may think they have their proof but the readers will decide anyway by the contents.The main question in this thread is
Has the brother proven beyond a doubt his claim that pork is halal?
Readers of the thread decide for themselves after going through the posts
.
But it is better if one can study Qoran to see for themselves what it really says about it.
GOD bless you.
Peace.To me the question might be open or more open if pig was such a tremendous improvement in dietary habits of people. Why forbid it? In fact, I am all out against spirits, but the prohibition of spirits is of a different kind as the prohibition of pork. However s it is formulated in Qur'an there are more open doubts about the alchol than the pig.
Myself I consider that spirits cause are more dangerous than pig, but still in Qur'an there is no hurrimat spirits for the believers.
I think that is because spirits are far more tricky than pig and therefore there is on the part of people a greater need to be conscious of evil of spirits than of the harm of pig, so that for pig a mere prohibiton works but for spirits it is a more active standing required than for abstaining of pig.
Salaam
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I think that is because spirits are far more tricky than pig
its interesting thing to note why spirits and things related with spirirts like wine are catagorised as seperate subject. we can understand it the way how (muslims)react to PORK compared to Alchohal.
if pork get mix in FOOD we will not eat.
with alcohal its different GOD knows its uses and sub uses.
example GOD said he made scented seeds for the benefit of people(ch 55).
these scented seeds like cardmom etc we use it for food as well as fragrance(perfume).the fragrance take a new shape of industry what we know as perfumes with the help of flowers too(even flowers are serving purpose)
fragrance always play positive vibes on humans. thats just one sub-use of alchohal if it was in catagory of PORK then muslim kids even have struggling touching perfume bottles.
Big favour of author of quran otheriwse i will be struggling applying perfume. the habbit of mine when i just start atteding my school.
we cant SUB-use pork anywhere at all including their fats we usually use fat for oiling,making soap etc.
its not TRICKY its very logical
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( porky guy)
rotfl
lol RESULTS 1 pork is halal. 2 MATH is haram as per (FE) !
nope rotfl
ENERGY===>FLATEARTH===>HANZEER and next is production of (stupids) in output.
if u dnt follow the guesswork then u r kaffir. lmao.Hmmmm?. a contest for who can start the most ridiculous thread hmmm... not bad