Pork is HALAL
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Peace All.
This thread needs a summary, then put to bed(All Mahdi s quotes are in brackets).This is what Mahdi asked originally, quote
(Did Allah forget to mention about "Pork"?
WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence. And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146))
This is my answer to Mahdi
Did Allah forget to mention about blood, dead meat and food for idols in that verse also?
Why are you saying they are haram?Then he continued, quote
(Maggoty stinking meat is haram?
Make sense.)
I said What about maggoty stinking fat?
He was not going to talk about fat, as it was irrelevant!
I said Qoran uses two words Lahm and Shahm ,you have not clarified about "Shahm Al Khinzeer?Then he kept repeating this, quote
(The FOOD (flesh of swine) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... ... (55))
I said gives us a list of what was forbidden for the Jews since other items were also missing from 6146 so we can check your claim. It does not seem logical if blood and dead animals and...were also not mentioned!
And he kept repeating this also, quote
(So your Allah forgot to make haram pork for the Jews? There, nothing mentioned about pork was made haram for the Jews, in verse 6146.)Yes you are now guessing what I said, I was repeating some very useful and logical question to him as well, like Allah also did not mention blood and dead animals ...and gave him the reason for it. That they were additional items in 6146. Allah only mentioned what was added extra to the Jews .
Then he proceeded to ask this ,quote
(Where in the Quran pork was made haram for the Jews?What verse? show me... )
Where in the Qoran pork was made halal for the Jews?
Or give us the complete list of forbidden items for the JewsOf course he kept repeating this, quote
(Do you understand my question?
The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... ... (55)))
How do we know without the list I asked for? I asked this many times
Of course he insisted with, quote
(So you cannot prove Allah made haram pork for the Jews?
(and your Allah forgot to make haram pork for the Jews)
There is no such verse from the Quran... right?)
Mahdi is asking us to prove something he does not have evidence for.
Mahdi is assuming pork is halal without proving his case.
At the end, it is his view ,but one cannot claim it is a fact if it is not evidenced properly.
Thank you all.
GOD bless.
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By the tone of few it looks like pork is over.... Joke is on....
It's not a joke at all..
"We are searching for the Shi?a village, a hamlet, called Nangkernang that was recently attacked, and savagely destroyed by local Sunni religious bigots." Prof. Azyumardi Azra, a director of the Graduate School of State Islamic University in Jakarta, explained
?Since the early 1980s, Saudi Arabia with their Wahabbism, using some Indonesian alumni from Saudi Arabia, has tried to destroy Shi?a teaching."
?Shi?a Blood is Halal!?
https//www.counterpunch.org/2012/11/02/shia-blood-is-haram/And...
https//strevennaarhetparadijs.wordpress.com/2017/10/12/whats-the-rule-about-the-blood-of-a-kafir/
At-Tabari said, ? The ulema have agreed that even if a mushrik were to wear the bark of all the trees of the Haram around his neck and on his arms, that would not grant him safety from being killed unless the Muslims gave him a covenant of dhimmah or security.?
Muslims must be remind- ed that the blood of the disbelievers is halal, and killing them is a form of worship to Allah, the Lord, King, and God of mankind. Striking terror into the hearts of all disbelievers is a Muslim?s duty. As Allah said "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."(Al Anfal 12) -
Sister huruf.
Like you said the answer to "is pork halal ?" can be found in Qoran explicitly and clearly. There is no doubt about it.I personally do not mind if anyone says anything they want but states it is their view.
If they think they have a refutable proof, then state it .
But be ready to answer all enquiries about it . They cannot ignore questions or refuse to answer them by simply ignoring logical relevant questions.
Of course some stick to their views ,but unless they can prove without a doubt their case they remain simply their opinion.
This and other threads are discussions between members and often one can tell where the thread is going and whether it is useful.
Sometimes proofs are in the eye of the beholder and each may think they have their proof but the readers will decide anyway by the contents.The main question in this thread is
Has the brother proven beyond a doubt his claim that pork is halal?
Readers of the thread decide for themselves after going through the posts
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But it is better if one can study Qoran to see for themselves what it really says about it.
GOD bless you.
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If the Qur'an says specifically more than once that the meat of pig is forbidden to those who follow the Qur'an revelation
what else do we need to understand that?
Salaam
yes, except who desire and revert to eating stinky maggoty tempt
2173 so who forced other than desire and not revert so not detriment on him indeed the god forgiver merciful
53 so who forced in predicament other than inclining to detriment so indeed the god forgiver merciful
6145 so who forced other than desire and not revert so that lord your forgiver merciful
16115 so who forced other than desire and not revert so indeed the god forgiver mercifulpeace!
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and
can anyone please tell me if these words are the same ?
they're same i.e. spelling which alif not in earliest manuscripts added ~200 years later to denote "plural" along with countless other alif's during rewrite evolving script.
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We go from one crazy subject to the next, first the earth is flat brickwall
to pork is halal brickwall what's next?
lol i dont have time reading all but thanks for ur post telling me whats going on .
as i expected when a liar(flatearth) vs a liar( porky guy) debate it must be interesting to see stupidity of both of them rotfl lets not waste their work and enhance the equation what they made i have a solution equation for both of them.ENERGY===>FLATEARTH===>HANZEER and next is production of (stupids) in output.
if u dnt follow the guesswork then u r kaffir. lmao.RESULTS 1 pork is halal. 2 MATH is haram as per (FE) !
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Sister huruf.
Like you said the answer to "is pork halal ?" can be found in Qoran explicitly and clearly. There is no doubt about it.I personally do not mind if anyone says anything they want but states it is their view.
If they think they have a refutable proof, then state it .
But be ready to answer all enquiries about it . They cannot ignore questions or refuse to answer them by simply ignoring logical relevant questions.
Of course some stick to their views ,but unless they can prove without a doubt their case they remain simply their opinion.
This and other threads are discussions between members and often one can tell where the thread is going and whether it is useful.
Sometimes proofs are in the eye of the beholder and each may think they have their proof but the readers will decide anyway by the contents.The main question in this thread is
Has the brother proven beyond a doubt his claim that pork is halal?
Readers of the thread decide for themselves after going through the posts
.
But it is better if one can study Qoran to see for themselves what it really says about it.
GOD bless you.
Peace.To me the question might be open or more open if pig was such a tremendous improvement in dietary habits of people. Why forbid it? In fact, I am all out against spirits, but the prohibition of spirits is of a different kind as the prohibition of pork. However s it is formulated in Qur'an there are more open doubts about the alchol than the pig.
Myself I consider that spirits cause are more dangerous than pig, but still in Qur'an there is no hurrimat spirits for the believers.
I think that is because spirits are far more tricky than pig and therefore there is on the part of people a greater need to be conscious of evil of spirits than of the harm of pig, so that for pig a mere prohibiton works but for spirits it is a more active standing required than for abstaining of pig.
Salaam
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I think that is because spirits are far more tricky than pig
its interesting thing to note why spirits and things related with spirirts like wine are catagorised as seperate subject. we can understand it the way how (muslims)react to PORK compared to Alchohal.
if pork get mix in FOOD we will not eat.
with alcohal its different GOD knows its uses and sub uses.
example GOD said he made scented seeds for the benefit of people(ch 55).
these scented seeds like cardmom etc we use it for food as well as fragrance(perfume).the fragrance take a new shape of industry what we know as perfumes with the help of flowers too(even flowers are serving purpose)
fragrance always play positive vibes on humans. thats just one sub-use of alchohal if it was in catagory of PORK then muslim kids even have struggling touching perfume bottles.
Big favour of author of quran otheriwse i will be struggling applying perfume. the habbit of mine when i just start atteding my school.
we cant SUB-use pork anywhere at all including their fats we usually use fat for oiling,making soap etc.
its not TRICKY its very logical
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( porky guy)
rotfl
lol RESULTS 1 pork is halal. 2 MATH is haram as per (FE) !
nope rotfl
ENERGY===>FLATEARTH===>HANZEER and next is production of (stupids) in output.
if u dnt follow the guesswork then u r kaffir. lmao.Hmmmm?. a contest for who can start the most ridiculous thread hmmm... not bad
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Dear believers....
Let the mocking people keep mocking,, it's a virus.... By mocking is there knowledge? Only true believers will keep away from such.... Coz true believers will not mock here... They will only mock when the things are settled on the day of ressurection to the very people who mocked them here .... Quran says... . Patience befit...
God guide us... -
not everyone agrees with religion / insanity ..
(Aidid Safar) Indeed it is only prohibited on you the carrion and the blood and the contaminated meat and what has been legalised by way of - for other than God. Thus whoever is strained without malice and not being deliberate - surely there is no fault on him. Indeed God is forgiving - merciful.
cf http//aididsafar.com/translation.html
this makes sense....
so there is no prohibition of pork in the above translation.
no prohibition of pork in his Quran..
no delusional mind for "FRESH MEAT IS HARAM" or worshipping SANTA CLAUS-LIKE GOD in the sky ... sorry but can't help it when people say GOD rotfl
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Dude in basic 04 prohibited things God of course didn't say decayed food, is it really necessary to say like addressing to fools... No... but still God used the word in 2168 "O men! eat the LAWFUL and GOOD THINGS out of what is in the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the Shaitan; surely he is your open enemy."
It does not said HARAM..
It does not said UNLAWFUL..
so we can eat maggoty and stinking beef (cow, goat, chicken, rabbit, camel, horse) etc?
We could use these rotten meats and sell it to customer for profit?
You who have iman! do not ask about matters which, if they were made known to you, would make things difficult for you. If you do ask about them when the Qur´an is being sent down, they will be made known to you. Allah has ignored them. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, All-Forbearing. (5101)
according to the above ayat, it is lawful and halal to sell maggoty and stinking meat to customers, even it is not good... and since nothing in the Quran said it is HARAM / UNLAWFUL. It is HALAL / LAWFUL.
YES?
NO?
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The Arabic word for pig is
The Qur'an uses the same word when it says that pork is forbidden in multiple ayat.
It does not say that only Muslims are prohibited which means that its prohibited for every jinn and human regardless of religion which includes Jews.
This "Mahdi Ibrahim" acts like a dajjal that posts ambiguous nonsense about worshiping nature or some crap that nobody can even understand, including him. Almost to where he's deliberately trying to distort Islam and get us to sin and worship idols.
And the meat of pig is not the same as other meat. There's reasons why God forbids it.
https//steemit.com/science/@princessola/13-problems-with-pork-1b849c41f5356So seek forgiveness from God and tell the truth. I'm a clear warner.
In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful
6119 And why should you not eat that on which the name of God has been mentioned, when He has fully detailed to you what has been made unlawful; except what you are forced to? Many misguide by their desires without knowledge; your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors.
378 And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.
3932 Who is more wicked than he who lies about God, and denies the truth when it comes to him? Is there not in Hell an abode for the rejecters?
5119 God will say "This is a Day when the truth will benefit the truthful; they will have estates with rivers flowing beneath them, abiding therein eternally; God has become pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. Such is the greatest victory."
592 And obey God and obey the messenger, and be aware. If you turn away then know that it is the duty of Our messenger to deliver clearly.
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There is no consistency in your argument / interpretation / translation.
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WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence. And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146)
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(nothing mentioned about pork was made haram for the Jews, accordingly)
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The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK (pork) is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (halal foods and pork), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (482)
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This "Mahdi Ibrahim" is a delusional dajjal
That's cheap in order to defeat valid argument.. !
and no worry about Dajjal
Allah already made clear who is the Dajjal...
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and the human shyatan
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hahahaha look at ?DAJAL?
he got a full getup of modern molvee.
wherez his third EYE ?
his eye glasses from RAY-ban.
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Hmmmm?. a contest for who can start the most ridiculous thread hmmm... not bad
rotfl
it will b hard competetion ( conspricy vs stupidity )everything is in pair similar yet disimilar lol
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Dajjal is a false prophet like the one who started this thread and who has yet to provide what he thinks the Arabic word for pig is after being challenged multiple times because he knows that its in the Qur'an. He also adds (pork) in parenthesis to 55 while the Qur'an does not have that word. An obvious distortion and God is Fully-Aware, be He Glorified.
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That's very simple...
Some are insane / stupid / retard / moron and others are not, and that the difference is determined by NATURE and not by cultural forces, factors, forced justice or religion.
If the truth were to follow their whims and desires / insanity / stupidity / retard / moronSSENGER, the heavens and the earth and everyone in them would have been brought to ruin. (2371)