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Pork is HALAL

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    Sultan_Brandon
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    You're proving me right by distorting the Qur'an with your words in parenthesis that don't exist in those ayat or even coming close to quoting them correctly.

    And Islam is not "surrendering to natural order", whatever that is. Its submission to God alone and being righteous.

    In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful

    985 And they were not commanded except to serve God and be loyal to His system, monotheists, and hold the contact prayer and contribute towards purification. Such is the valuable system.

    378 And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.

    4125 And who is better in the system than the one who submits himself to God, and he is a good doer, and he follows the creed of Abraham in monotheism? And God took Abraham as a friend.

    822 The worst creatures with God are the deaf and dumb who do not comprehend.

    2371 And if the truth were to follow their desires, then the heavens and the earth and all who are in them would have been corrupted. No, We have come to them with their reminder, but from their reminder they are turning away.

    5154 So turn away from them; you will not be blamed.

    2269 He grants wisdom to whom He chooses, and whoever is granted wisdom has been given much good. Only those who possess intelligence will remember.

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      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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      And Islam is not "surrendering to natural order", whatever that even means. Its submission to God alone and being righteous.

      So your Islam is KAFIR OF THE SUNNATULLAH?

      A. Yes

      B. No

      A or B?

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        Sultan_Brandon
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        In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful

        4137 And from among His signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun, nor the moon; you shall prostrate to God who has created them, if it is truly Him you serve.

        1042 And there are some of them who listen to you; but can you make the deaf hear, if they do not comprehend?

        7042 So let them talk in vain and play, until they meet their Day which they are promised.

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          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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          A or B?

          Is your Islam KAFIR OF THE SUNNATULLAH?

          Yes ?

          No?

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          I've just proved that these people are Dajjal and practicing DAJJALISM; in DISGUISE AS ISLAM. Has nothing to do with ISLAM AT ALL.

          On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)

          They think they deceive Allah / Sunnatullah and those who have iman (in the Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature / EcoLogic / Energy). They deceive no one but themselves but they are not aware of it. (29)

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            good_logic
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            Peace Mahdi.
            If you take your claim seriously and you are saying this, quote

            That's cheap in order to defeat valid argument..

            Then you are ignoring my argument and pretending not to notice this
            Please list all the items forbidden for the Jews.

            You say " has Allah forgotten to mention pork in 6146?" What about blood, dead animal, food for idols? They are not in the verse either.
            How can you justify your argument that "pork is halal?"
            Only by bringing all the items forbidden for the Jews or other verses from Qoran to justify , can you have an argument.

            Or recognise that 6146 does bnot support your argument and we move on.
            Please do not deviate from this. Thank you.
            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

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              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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              Please list all the items forbidden for the Jews.
              ...
              How can you justify your argument that "pork is halal?"

              I'm done wasting time with strawman and redherring...

              You need LOGIC, seriously.

              The issue IS NOT what is forbidden for the Jews. (#strawman #redherring)

              The issue what IS NOT FORBIDDEN for the Jews.

              Because what IS NOT FORBIDDEN for the Jews is halal for muslim.

              The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (in pork as halal), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)

              16 pages.. just to make you understand the above argument / logical deduction; and FAILED.

              JUSTIFIED.

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                Sultan_Brandon
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                Fake Mahdi,

                Tell us which Arabic word in 55 means "pork" like you quote in your translation

                Then tell us where any of these ayat that forbid eating pork specifically say "Muslims only" (6145, 16115, 2173, 53)

                These are two easy challenges that you should have no problem answering for the sake of knowing the truth, God willing.

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                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                  Tell us where any of these ayat that forbid eating pork specifically say "Muslims only" (6145, 16115, 2173, 53)

                  What's wrong with your LOGIC? 6835

                  Looks like your frontal lobe has been damage for against The Mahdi.

                  Do you realize that is my argument!? rotfl

                  and here is the definition of "pork"

                  pork

                  noun

                  1. the flesh of a pig used as food, especially when uncured.

                  Terrible.

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                    Sultan_Brandon
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                    What's wrong with your LOGIC? 6835

                    Looks like your frontal lobe has been damage for against The Mahdi.

                    Do you realize that is my argument!? rotfl

                    and here is the definition of "pork"

                    pork

                    noun

                    1. the flesh of a pig used as food, especially when uncured.

                    Terrible.

                    Stop avoiding the questions with irrelevant nonsense. Scroll up. Read them again and answer them because they're perfectly clear and you have no excuse.

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      This is the definition of "swine" rotfl

                      swine

                      noun

                      1. a pig.

                      Looks like your frontal lobe has been damage for against The Mahdi.

                      I have no time for stupid, seriously. lol

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                        Sultan_Brandon
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                        This is the definition of "swine" rotfl

                        swine

                        noun

                        1. a pig.

                        I didn't ask for the definition of pig. I said which Arabic word in 55 means pig that you always quote in that ayah.

                        And the second question is where it specifically says "Muslims only" in those ayat. Or if they don't.

                        Very simple. Stop acting stupid unless you actually are.

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                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                          You don't even have the ability to understand the argument/issue and looks like a fool.. this is terrible.

                          Why asking the word "pork" in 55 when my argument is...

                          Did Allah forget to mention about "Pork"?

                          WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence. And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146)

                          • And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Leviticus 117-8 ESV

                          • And the pig, because it parts the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. Deuteronomy 148 ESV

                          Accordingly

                          The FOOD (flesh of swine) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (halal foods and flesh of swine), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)\

                          Allah does not made haram pork for the Jews.. and thus

                          Because what IS NOT FORBIDDEN for the Jews is halal for muslim.

                          The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (in pork as halal), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)

                          rotfl

                          I have no time for stupid, seriously. lol

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                            good_logic
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                            Peace Mahdi.
                            Where do you get that pork is not forbidden for the Jews from?, quote

                            Because what IS NOT FORBIDDEN for the Jews is halal for muslim.

                            The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (in pork as halal), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)

                            It looks like we have to start again so we can get this argument finished.
                            Please answer only that question for now.
                            GOD bless you.
                            Peace.

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                              Sultan_Brandon
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                              The reason why this Fake Mahdi keeps avoiding both of the questions is because he knows he's wrong and cornered by simple logic.

                              The fact is that 55 does not have the word "pork" in Arabic, yet he continues to translate it as such by adding it in parenthesis.

                              And that the ayah that forbid pork don't specifically say Muslims, which means that pork is forbidden for all mankind and jinn, including Jews.

                              And therefore this fake Mahdi is a liar and deliberately trying to distort Islam. Case closed.

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                                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                You should check your I.Q. level . rotfl

                                Because what IS NOT FORBIDDEN for the Jews is halal for muslim.

                                The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (in pork as halal), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)

                                definition

                                pork = flesh of a pig
                                swine = a pig

                                Therefore, "flesh of swine" = pork

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                                  good_logic
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                                  Peace Mahdi.
                                  I appreciate it if we keep the discussion to one question at the time to get to the bottom of the argument.
                                  Where did you get that pork is halal for Jews from?
                                  Answer this question only for now.
                                  Thank you.
                                  GOD bless you.
                                  Peace.

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                                    Sultan_Brandon
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                                    You should check your I.Q. level . rotfl

                                    definition

                                    pork = flesh of a pig
                                    swine = a pig

                                    Therefore, "flesh of swine" = pork

                                    I said. Which Arabic word in 55 means pork. Not what the definition of pork is. You are a literal retard.

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                                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                      None in 6146 and 5.5 .. that's the point, and that's why my argument pork is HALAL, because Allah said nothing about "pork" was made haram for the Jews. There is no word "pork" in that verses, idiot. rotfl

                                      Allah does not made haram pork for the Jews.

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                                        Sultan_Brandon
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                                        None in 6145 and 5.5 .. that's the point, and that's why my argument pork is HALAL. idiot. rotfl

                                        You keep quoting, "The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (in pork as halal), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)"

                                        Except 55 doesn't say pork like you just admitted so why are you knowingly distorting the Qur'an?

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                                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                          Then why are you adding (pork) in 55 when you quote it and just admitted that it doesn't say that?

                                          So you admit you're stupid, LOW I.Q. LEVEL? rotfl

                                          I add the word pork because Allah does not made pork haram for the Jews. Read below, do you see Allah made haram pork the Jews?

                                          WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence. And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146)

                                          None.. therefore, pork is halal for the Jews..

                                          Therefore

                                          The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is halal for you ... (55)

                                          So what's wrong the word "(pork)" when verse 6146 does not made pork haram for the Jews? LOGIC FAILED! ... or low I.Q. level !

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