** Why in prophet Nuh's ship every two kinds
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Peace everyone...
These two sites recommended by my cousin? so I read still got to read..
https//www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-religions/startling-similarity-between-hindu-flood-legend-manu-and-biblical-020318
https//creation.com/how-did-the-waters-of-noahs-flood-drain
How come Genesis and Veda claim that Nuuh and Manuh flood is worldwide? I don?t agree with everything what genesis say, but only what go inline with quran? same veda? when we pronounce the Manuh it is always M looks silent..
Does quran also say the same thing or local flood? why evidences of quran is much towards the worldwide flood when looked at it in wide angle..
This is the basic in the Indian root languages
Manu (Sanskrit ु is a term found with various meanings in Hinduism. In early texts, it refers to the archetypal man, or to the first man (progenitor of humanity).The Sanskrit term for 'human', (IAST mnava) means 'of Manu' or 'children of Manu'.**Why cant we think of the the possibilities of the flood to be far beyond a local or regional one..
**what makes those to believe that the flood was local, what is the incontrovertible evidence from quran to buttress that to strictly stick to that opinion....? May i get one simple verse to your claim?
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Nevertheless connected with destruction? since this topic is all about Noah?s community which involves destruction which is the major scenario? while I was researching , I was wondering how God destroy/ed the Jinn for their violations and for being disbelievers of Prophets ?..
In fact Jinn are part and parcel of this very earth and in hereafter they will abide in Janna and will at the same time be filled in Jahanna? No difference to human in sharing the both?
We not only don't have the capacity in our vision to see them but also we don?t see any of their traces.. where they are living, their constructions, their cultivation?.the dead bodies..lol.. or rather skeleton ? why all these are mystery?..
Are they part of destruction when there is destruction, for example Tsunami? but they can fly till they reach to the extreme point ?.. or only limited ones can fly? is there any clue dear members? Or can anyone open a new topic if you have any idea about it based on quran or with your researches probably in order for us to learn something new?.tbh I have no idea? can?t even guess..?
If God is just ? then there should be some kind of frequent destructions for them as we human experience from God?s End?Or that part as well invisible in our eyes still being in the same earth.. There is no escape for Jinn on the earth or flight? that?s okay when the doomsday falls? but for now??? Why we are deprived the vision of being able to see them while they have been permitted to see us?Yeah the mischievous(satan) among them have to deceive us.. So reasonable.. Or else hell fire is adequate for them? Or the destruction of human being is a great sign and a lesson for believers and that privilege is not furnished to jinn.. are human prioritized than jinn?May God guide us and send us in right path throughout our life..
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**Why cant we think of the the possibilities of the flood to be far beyond a local or regional one..
**what makes those to believe that the flood was local, what is the incontrovertible evidence from quran to buttress that to strictly stick to that opinion....? May i get one simple verse to your claim?
God guide us...711 indeed we sent we of noah of to folk his that warns folk your from before that bringeth them punishment dire
dead sea - the lowest point on earth 413 meters below sea level (~4 soccer fields)
2829 ... noticed from side l-ri/the mount/hill fire of ...
774 ... and thou carving l-jibala/the mountains/plateaus houses of
1142 ... wave kal-jibali/like the mountains2130 do they not see the ones reject they of anna (i.e. ?an inna?/that indeed) ...
2131 and made we of in the land rawasiya/high peaks an/that shake with them ...Everest's 'worst disaster' in 60 seconds - BBC News
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we have civilisation more than 10000 years old in history.
its pointed towards local flood instead of global.although noah history is PRE-history may b more than 10000 yrs
our earliest ancestors dated back to 3 hundred thousand years roughly.intresting thing to note first life cell 4 billion years ago.( as per science)
we are just sharing the planet not so long compare to the history of planet.some people also think seperation of planets is due to noah flood but it was in early stages of young planet earth.thats theory is weak.
infact flood was more local than global according to traces we have in our earth.
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711 indeed we sent we of noah of to folk his that warns folk your from before that bringeth them punishment dire
dead sea - the lowest point on earth 413 meters below sea level (~4 soccer fields)
2829 ... noticed from side l-ri/the mount/hill fire of ...
774 ... and thou carving l-jibala/the mountains/plateaus houses of
1142 ... wave kal-jibali/like the mountains2130 do they not see the ones reject they of anna (i.e. ?an inna?/that indeed) ...
2131 and made we of in the land rawasiya/high peaks an/that shake with them ...Everest's 'worst disaster' in 60 seconds - BBC News
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9HzwxdiCzUPeace NW
Honestly I have no clue why you presented these verses when I requested supporting verses for local flood...
Any how the second point.. Dead sea... If you call dead sea is lowest point instead of the area other than sea then got to think many times before accepting you... Coz Mariana near Philippines is the lowest point of sea... Land wise according to Quran somewhere in middle east... But need research... Probably Lots place...Further in my understanding those interlocked waterbodies or inland seas or lakes are consequences of great flood and many of them are formed near allegedly called place of Noah's ark landing... Example Caspian sea. Black Sea Ural sea, even the great lakes of Iran Nanak lake or urmila lake even dead sea... These are inland vast major water bodies .... Outxome of the flood... Who knows... God only knows what's right... But in my understanding of Quran to one can claim it was local... But no one can 100% confirm it was worldwide but evidences and the verses are much glaring... Needs counter argument.....
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Dear Brother Hawk...
In my book you are a decently intelligent guy looking at what you perform in this forum...... but this looks sooooo funny.....
the most funniest answer of this topic... someone else's rotfl sorry for the emoji...
come up with something better...Yeah I know, the truth is what we comedians tell ) Could you tell us what animals
where carried aboard the ark?peace
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we have civilisation more than 10000 years old in history.
its pointed towards local flood instead of global.although noah history is PRE-history may b more than 10000 yrs
our earliest ancestors dated back to 3 hundred thousand years roughly.intresting thing to note first life cell 4 billion years ago.( as per science)
we are just sharing the planet not so long compare to the history of planet.some people also think seperation of planets is due to noah flood but it was in early stages of young planet earth.thats theory is weak.
infact flood was more local than global according to traces we have in our earth.
Peace brod
Don't get carried away again with my answers.. I am only giving my understanding. ..so relax...
Non of your claim has any Quranic proof... All assumptions... Main reason I opened this thread to get Quranic evidences to support the claim of local or worldwide... And further to denote the meaning and common sense ... If anyone accrue all Noah related verses and make a summary... Can he or she say that it is local, thats impossible...
So pls research may be you can unearth lots of truth....
I don't say you only says it is local. .almost all says in this forum who commented except few private messages... But Those claimed disn't give a support... But simply says what is in their mind... That's not the way you guys argue in this forum in other topics... So why simply say local... Why not drag the evidences... If no evidence then why claim?I do t say I am convinced as worldwide but local cannot be accepted.. Unless I see a reason to do so
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Yeah I know, the truth is what we comedians tell Could you tell us what animals
where carried aboard the ark?peace
Sorry brother if my answer made you inconvenient... I told what I felt...
BTW... I don't know what are those animals... Is that so important according to the context of the argument... Do we have any verses to support it... Only sawjain of each
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Sorry brother if my answer made you inconvenient... I told what I felt...
No need to be sorry, I enjoy your feedback.
BTW... I don't know what are those animals... Is that so important according to the context of the argument... Do we have any verses to support it... Only sawjain of each
God guide us...Yes it is very important, there is a big difference between two of Noah's animals
and two of every mammal on the planet, I hope pr you can see the difference.
Understanding the difference will give you the proper context of the event!peace
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Peace NW
Honestly I have no clue why you presented these verses when I requested supporting verses for local flood...peace, why difficult to understand simple verse?
who was he sent to and who is being punished?711 indeed we sent we of noah of to folk his that warns folk your from before that bringeth them punishment dire
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No need to be sorry, I enjoy your feedback.
Yes it is very important, there is a big difference between two of Noah's animals
and two of every mammal on the planet, I hope pr you can see the difference.
Understanding the difference will give you the proper context of the event!peace
Okay.. Thank you... handshake
So for you to decide local what are those animals by name pls?
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peace, why difficult to understand simple verse?
who was he sent to and who is being punished?711 indeed we sent we of noah of to folk his that warns folk your from before that bringeth them punishment dire
You mean to say by presenting the above verse that the community of Noah local and there were other contemporary communities in the world .... Proof pls... God destroyed Noah's community... It's fine... Needless to say it's worldwide when there is only one community...
If they were a local community, did God give any clue that community Judi welcomed them if they were believers... If they were believers and a community then NOAH doesn't need to bring cattle of two kind.. One kind enough.. That community is not far and they must be having cattle too..
Or all the contemporary communities were believers and didn't deny their respective prophets so they are not destroyed.. Impossible... If any community before or during Noah's time were existing it would have been mentioned... Coz it is very clear the history of communities and nations... Noah is the utmost and after that many generations came and then community like ad, Thamud etc etc then Ibrahim... After Noah the possibilities multiple community is acceptable .. But not during or before... No proof..
Quran doesn't support for local flood
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You mean to say by presenting the above verse that the community of Noah local and there were other contemporary communities in the world .... Proof pls...
how many communities?
638 and not of creature in the land and not flyer (birds, etc.) flyed with wings two its except umamun/communities (pl.) likeness you not neglect we of in the book of thing furthermore to lord theirs gathered being
1148 stated O noah descends in peace from us and blessings upon you and on umamin/communities (pl.) from whom with you wa-umamun/and communities (pl.) shall we give enjoyment them furthermore touched them from us punishment dire
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Okay.. Thank you... handshake
So for you to decide local what are those animals by name pls?
Good brother you answer a question with a question nope
Are you suggesting that Noah had two polar bears from the
north pole, two kangaroos from australia, two tigers from India,
amani rabbit and sika deer from Japan, the andean condor from
south America, the brown bear from north America. So according
to you someone went to all of these places, captured male and female
of each, brought them back from these distant places & loaded
them on the ark, while all other mammal drowned, returned the
kangaroos to Austalia, the polar bears to the north pole, the tigers
to India (oh boy), brother I am not happy to bring this to you, try
to think more critically on your own, do not accept without reflection,
don't be quick to pick a side. handshake The global flood is
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Good brother you answer a question with a question nope
Are you suggesting that Noah had two polar bears from the
north pole, two kangaroos from australia, two tigers from India,
amani rabbit and sika deer from Japan, the andean condor from
south America, the brown bear from north America. So according
to you someone went to all of these places, captured male and female
of each, brought them back from these distant places & loaded
them on the ark, while all other mammal drowned, returned the
kangaroos to Austalia, the polar bears to the north pole, the tigers
to India (oh boy), brother I am not happy to bring this to you, try
to think more critically on your own, do not accept without reflection,
don't be quick to pick a side. handshake The global flood is
biblical not Quranic.Brother Hawk
Either you didn't read my threads or you don't have time... So you are claiming away from argument... I never said entire animals of the earth... -
how many communities?
638 and not of creature in the land and not flyer (birds, etc.) flyed with wings two its except umamun/communities (pl.) likeness you not neglect we of in the book of thing furthermore to lord theirs gathered being
Other than men and Jinn no other community is irrelevant to the incident... coz i claim Noah people were only one community and they were human.. and not animals...I am talking about human... we know animals also community but they are created for us, unless God won't let us eat them..
1148 stated O noah descends in peace from us and blessings upon you and on umamin/communities (pl.) from whom with you wa-umamun/and communities (pl.) shall we give enjoyment them furthermore touched them from us punishment dire
peace to all.....
Has any support from that to say that there were Umma-community/nation/group/followers before Noah.. at least something like below.. No?
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Thus have We sent you to a community before which communities have passed on so you might recite to them that which We revealed to you, while they disbelieve in the Most Merciful. Say, "He is my Lord; there is no deity except Him. Upon Him I rely, and to Him is my return."
The verse reads clearly
1148 Noah was told, "Get down from the Ark. Your Lord's peace and blessings are upon you and your followers. Your Lord will grant favors to other nations and then afflict them with a painful torment."
Ummamin here is the followers or groups of Noah who believed? Though they in one nation there would have been different type?Did God bring Many Nations with him in the ship who he doesn?t know even? NO? Nuh was sent to an area where many a people lived (seems like large group of people who practices idolworship) out of them many believed but majority doomed?.
In the same verse, ?Your Lord WILL GRANT favors ?. Means in the future (sanumattiuhum) God will not do a same type of destruction but God will favor them but painful torment will afflict them while having the favors?even on this world and hereafter..
1073 And they denied him, so We saved him and those with him in the ship and made them successors (khalifa), and We drowned those who denied Our signs. Then see how was the end of those who were warned.
As we all know this is the main reason God created Human and Jinn to place (Successors) Khalifa?Successors from the community of Noah.. No other community?and upon them, and on the ships, you are borne.2322
And We sent Noah to his people; and he, said, 'O my people, serve God! You have no god other than He. Will you not be godfearing?"2323
The above verses shows we are people who are carried / borne coz of the ship which was saved?immediately after the ship, then Noah appears in the next verse is clear indication..
26119 So We saved him and those with him in the laden ship.
37140 heavily loaded or weighed down. (why Younus was thrown out.. isn?t it coz it was loaded heavily)
What is the meaning of Laden ship? Why it should be called ?mash?huun? (laden -heavily loaded or weighed down)
Look at the below undeniable glaring verse?
3641 And an Ayah (sign) for them is that We bore their offspring in the laden ship .
Who are these offspring who were carried in a laden ship? Are we not from those who were saved in the ship of Noah?.what else you want as proof? And what is your claim to prove it was local?....3642 and We have created for them the like of it whereon they ride;
What the incident of Noah made for us, is that from Noah history created we were given the knowledge to build ships to travel through the surface of the water? all for our benefit?No ship almost things are impossible now..
All well planned by God?
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@ jkhan
is it mention in quran it was not local flood but global?
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Good brother you answer a question with a question nope
Are you suggesting that Noah had two polar bears from the
north pole, two kangaroos from australia, two tigers from India,
amani rabbit and sika deer from Japan, the andean condor from
south America, the brown bear from north America. So according
to you someone went to all of these places, captured male and female
of each, brought them back from these distant places & loaded
them on the ark, while all other mammal drowned, returned the
kangaroos to Austalia, the polar bears to the north pole, the tigers
to India (oh boy), brother I am not happy to bring this to you, try
to think more critically on your own, do not accept without reflection,
don't be quick to pick a side. handshake The global flood is
biblical not Quranic.i wana add more
the pairs what he never carry in his ship get vanished from earth example
dinosaurs.
fire dragons of ?games of thrones? (brother hawk i m in love with that dragon queen do you lol)
snaky vampires (salma hayek) ?from dust till dawn? ( once i loved her too haha).
giants of easter island
bonnies from gulliver travels.
all creations were present before Global flood. noah left risky things in flat earth. !
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Peace All.
The legend of Noah is funny. Here is a preferable funny version( It is true honest!)
Building the Ark.
And the Lord spoke to Noah and said "In six months I'm going to make it rain until the whole earth is covered with water and all the evil people are destroyed. But I want to save a few good people, and two of every kind of living thing on the planet. I am ordering you to build Me an Ark."
And in a flash of lightning he delivered the specifications for an Ark. "OK," said Noah, trembling in fear and fumbling with the blueprints. "Six months, and it starts to rain," thundered the Lord. "You'd better have my Ark completed, or learn how to swim for a very long time." And six months passed. The skies began to cloud up and rain began to fall.
The Lord saw that Noah was sitting in his front yard, weeping. And there was no Ark. "Noah," shouted the Lord, "where is my Ark?" A lightning bolt crashed into the ground next to Noah.
"Lord, please forgive me!" begged Noah. "I did my best. But there were big problems. First I had to get a building permit for the Ark construction project, and your plans didn't meet code. So I had to hire an engineer to redraw the plans. Then I got into a big fight over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system. My neighbors objected, claiming I was violating zoning by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission.Then I had a big problem getting enough wood for the Ark because there was a ban on cutting trees to save the Spotted Owl. I had to convince U.S. Fish and Wildlife that I needed the wood to save the owls. But they wouldn't let me catch any owls. So no owls.
Then the carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National work Relations Board before anyone would pick up a saw or a hammer. Now we have 16 carpenters going on the boat, and still no owls.Then I started gathering up animals, and got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me taking only two of each kind. Just when I got the suit dismissed, EPA notified me that I couldn't complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of a Supreme Being.
Then the Army Corps of Engineers wanted a map of the Proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe.
Right now I'm still trying to resolve a complaint from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission over how many Croatians I'm supposed to hire, the IRS has seized all my assets claiming I'm trying to avoid paying taxes by leaving the country, and I just got a notice from the state about owing some kind of use tax. I really don't think I can finish your Ark for at least another five years," Noah wailed.The sky began to clear. The sun began to shine. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up and smiled. "You mean you're not going to destroy the earth?" Noah asked, hopefully.
"No," said the Lord sadly, "Governments on earth are already doing it for me."I mean it is true the story is funny!
GOD bless.
Peace.