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إِنَّ ٱلَّذِینَ كَفَرُوا۟ What have they disavowed?

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    good_logic
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    Can your Allah disobey Law of Nature (My God)?

    Proof?
    Brother Mahdi,
    The above, your quote, is like putting the cart before the horse. This is your upside down logic at work again. This is nonsense terminology. This is absurd and ridiculous . Now take notice of this

    My GOD created your(and everything else's) law of nature (your god). It is your god that cannot -will not- disobey my GOD- Not the other way around-...."Wa Lillahi YSJUDU everything on earth and heaven including the law of nature".... They cannot disobey the creator. .NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!

    You keep coming up with illogical phrases and shouting out one false argument after another using your upside down logic..
    It reminds me of the heavy stone that GOD cannot lift?!!!!....Warped logic and nonsense!
    This is how you should rephrase it

    Can your law of nature disobey my GOD? It makes perfect sense now!!!!!
    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

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      Viruses are attacking the thread. Recovered.

      What have they disavowed?

      The pseudo-scholar George Sale translated these three words "As for the unbelievers,". Thereafter, many plagiarized.

      Verb-Like Particle This is one of the six Particles called since, in some features, they resemble with verbs. They are sentential modifiers. What was earlier known as subject in a nominal sentence, because of its presence at the outset, that will now be called " -Noun of ", which is rendered in accusative case; and the predicate will be called which will be in nominative case/state.

      1. It is used in front of a nominal sentence only.
      2. It changes the grammatical case of the subject from nominative to accusative.
      3. This Particle has a truth-intensifying function when used at a beginning of statement. It emphasizes that what follows is true.
      1. It helps "neutralize" the emphatic effect of bringing subject in front of a verb in the nominal sentence and thus confers a normal tone on the sentence.

      Relative Pronoun; Plural; masculine. It is the subject noun of preceding Verb-Like Particle.

      This verbal sentence comprising of third person masculine plural perfect verb and subject pronoun referring the Relative pronoun is the linkage clause. Its Root is . Basic perception infolded is that of concealing, veiling, covering, hedging and denying to acknowledge a fact or favour.

      The point to determine is as to what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

      Clue
      this verb is made transitive by using preposition

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        Can your Allah disobey Law of Nature (My God)?

        Proof?
        Brother Mahdi,
        The above, your quote, is like putting the cart before the horse. This is your upside down logic at work again. This is nonsense terminology. This is absurd and ridiculous . Now take notice of this

        My GOD created your(and everything else's) law of nature (your god). It is your god that cannot -will not- disobey my GOD- Not the other way around-...."Wa Lillahi YSJUDU everything on earth and heaven including the law of nature".... They cannot disobey the creator. .NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!

        You keep coming up with illogical phrases and shouting out one false argument after another using your upside down logic..
        It reminds me of the heavy stone that GOD cannot lift?!!!!....Warped logic and nonsense!
        This is how you should rephrase it

        Can your law of nature disobey my GOD? It makes perfect sense now!!!!!
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

        Of course, all the times! NO EXCEPTION! .. are you blind? rotfl

        The likeness of those who are kafir is that of someone who yells out to something which cannot hear — it is nothing but a cry and a call. They are deaf, dumb and blind, and they fail to understand. (2171)

        and now it is clear there are only two points

        • My God The Natural -> LordLaw of Cause and Effect // Mathematical // Eco+Logical // Energy
        https//i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/37/b6/1f37b670a3b929bcb62f13d08931b4aa.jpg

        • Your God The Unnatural -> LordLaw of Cause and Effect // Mathematical // Eco+Logical // Energy
        https//pbs.twimg.com/media/C00rxOmUQAA9prK.jpg
        Who do you Worship? Allah or Shaytan?

        Say, "This is my way/Islam. It/Islam is with proofs and evidences! I, as well as those who follow me (REAL MUSLIMS), call you towards Allah ("with proofs and evidences" ONLY! Traits of "REAL MUSLIM&quot. He is the most High/CONSISTENT! I would never commit the sin of SHirK (ie. Shirk = "without proofs and evidences!", guesswork, inconsistencies... muSHirK )". (1210

        They follow nothing but guesswork and preach nothing but lie. (6116)

        They allot to Allah what they themselves dislike and their tongues frame the lie that they will receive the Best. There is no doubt at all that they will receive the Fire and that they are people who go to excess. (1662)

        Do you agree with this?


        now we wait for the "hypocritical arguments" ... laugh

        The hypocrites are in the lowest level of the Fire. (4145)

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          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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          كَفَرُوا۟ This verbal sentence comprising of third person masculine plural perfect verb and subject pronoun referring the Relative pronoun is the linkage clause. Its Root is ك ف ر. Basic perception infolded is that of concealing, veiling, covering, hedging and denying to acknowledge a fact or favour.

          The point to determine is as to what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

          Natural Order.. and yes, it's that stupid.. ie. the Kafirun.

          Denying the truth (nature) doesn't change the facts (nature)

          That (is) the ordain no doubt in it, a Guidance for the Light/2435-conscious. (21)
          Indeed, those who disbelieve, (it) is same to them whether you warn them or not you warn them, not they believe. (26)

          • You cannot change the Law of Nature, The Sunnatullah (You will never encounter an alternative for sunnatullah. You will never find an alteration in the sunnatullah! (3543) ... EVEN YOUR ALLAH CANNOT DO THAT!)

          "It is a promise binding on Us / Allah (21103)"

          They cannot disobey the creator. .NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!

          Wrong, and guesswork!
          .

          • You cannot fix insanity (ie. Kafirun.. those who against the Law of Nature / Sunnatullah .... "whether you warn them or not you warn them, not they believe" in Sunnatullah ALONE, in Natural Order ALONE)

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            Mazhar
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            What is the Law of Nature?

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              What is the Law of Nature?

              The orderliness of nature, the law of science... the principles that describe or predict a range of natural or ecological phenomena.

              Arrogance on (the Law of the) Earth/Nature, and evil/unnatural scheming. And the evil/unnatural schemes only backfire on those who scheme them. Were they expecting anything different from the ways used on the people of the past!?

              https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50683958_2276594285890483_8519042183934771200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=9d869fa00326b8e12c960ffeae92e639&oe=5CEC2D5D https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50708425_2277761332440445_2782912304117710848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=2638c4d59ab8399a400db17216bb38ab&oe=5CF1F5EC https//1.bp.blogspot.com/-PYt_NxabK5Y/XA6GWhpLhDI/AAAAAAAAAII/BVO5uW5EPg0OiNC4idXQjUzEnWecmwavgCLcBGAs/s1600/theme770.jpg

              You will never encounter an alternative for sunnatullah. You will never find an alteration in the sunnatullah! (3543)

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                Mazhar
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                The orderliness of nature, the law of science... the principles that describe or predict a range of natural or ecological phenomena.

                Arrogance on (the Law of the) Earth/Nature, and evil/unnatural scheming. And the evil/unnatural schemes only backfire on those who scheme them. Were they expecting anything different from the ways used on the people of the past!?

                https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50683958_2276594285890483_8519042183934771200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=9d869fa00326b8e12c960ffeae92e639&oe=5CEC2D5D https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50708425_2277761332440445_2782912304117710848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=2638c4d59ab8399a400db17216bb38ab&oe=5CF1F5EC https//1.bp.blogspot.com/-PYt_NxabK5Y/XA6GWhpLhDI/AAAAAAAAAII/BVO5uW5EPg0OiNC4idXQjUzEnWecmwavgCLcBGAs/s1600/theme770.jpg

                You will never encounter an alternative for sunnatullah. You will never find an alteration in the sunnatullah! (3543)

                What is science? What is the law of science? How do you know something is law of science?

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                  What is science? What is the law of science? How do you know something is law of science?

                  Say, "This is my way/Islam. It/Islam is with proofs and evidences! I, as well as those who follow me (REAL MUSLIMS), call you towards Allah ("with proofs and evidences" ONLY! Traits of "REAL MUSLIM&quot. He is the most High/CONSISTENT! I would never commit the sin of SHirK (ie. Shirk = "without proofs and evidences!", guesswork, inconsistencies... muSHirK )". (1210

                  That is the Law of Science ...

                  and

                  What is? ...is the Law of Nature

                  How do you know? ...is Natural Law, ie. the theology and observations..

                  Law of Nature is not Natural Law, two different things

                  and these conditions are clearly stated in verse 1117,

                  ie. what does it mean to believe in the Quran?

                  But as for those who have clear evidence from their Lord followed up by a witness from Him — and before it the ordain of Musa came as a model and a mercy — such people have iman in it (the Quran). Any faction which rejects it (these three conditions) is promised the Fire. Be in no doubt about it. It is the Truth from your Lord. But many people have no iman. (1117)

                  The Theology

                  • Law of Nature (Sunnatullah, 3543 - MATH)

                  • Natural Person (Revelation, 6940 - E)

                  • Natural Law (Syariatullah, The Jihad for Natural Society, 6156-158 - ISM)
                  (Tawba is to align our nature/syariatullah with NATURE/SUNNATULLAH)

                  Salat means preserving and restoring natural justice or natural order. The natural order (sunnatullah) is the moral source from which human law should seek to derive its authority. It encompasses the natural relations of beings to one another in the absence of human law (forced justice / political jurisprudence), and which 'salat, zakat and sujud' attempts to reinforce.

                  https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51960917_2292313450985233_1464229315565584384_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=41723bffa7187e08edbe6104e4aca8f0&oe=5D42DABC

                  How does your belief fit in the above verses?

                  None... then why call yourself as Muslim? Funny... laugh

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                    6835 Should We treat the ones who surrendered (and make peace with NATURE/ECOLOGY) the same as those who are criminals!?

                    6836 What is wrong with you, how do you judge!?

                    https//1.bp.blogspot.com/-PYt_NxabK5Y/XA6GWhpLhDI/AAAAAAAAAII/BVO5uW5EPg0OiNC4idXQjUzEnWecmwavgCLcBGAs/s1600/theme770.jpg https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50683958_2276594285890483_8519042183934771200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=9d869fa00326b8e12c960ffeae92e639&oe=5CEC2D5D https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50708425_2277761332440445_2782912304117710848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=2638c4d59ab8399a400db17216bb38ab&oe=5CF1F5EC

                    6837 Or do you have another book (of FORCED JUSTICE) which you study?

                    6838 In it, you can find what you wish (unnaturally)?

                    6839 Or do you have an oath from Us (Natural Order / Natural Justice), extending until the Day of Resurrection, that you can judge as you please?

                    6840 Ask them "Who of them will make such a claim"?

                    6841 Or do they have partners Then let them bring their partners (in Natural Order), if they are truthful.

                    6842 The Day will come when they will be exposed, and they will be required to prostrate, but they will be unable to.

                    6843 With their eyes subdued, humiliation will cover them. They were invited to prostrate (to Sunnatullah) when they were whole and able.

                    6844 Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this narration; We will entice them from where they do not perceive.

                    6845 And I will lead them on; for My scheming is formidable.

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                      Mazhar
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                      What is natural order?

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                        What is natural order?

                        The Sunnatullah.

                        Nature + Order/Law

                        All the laws with which we automatically comply in this world and all the universal laws have been termed ‘sunnatullah’ in the Quran…

                        Everything from the movement of quantum strings and the holographic reality, to relations between universes, the integral energy of the universe, the cosmological relations, and the Arsh, Kursi and the seven heavens and earth within the essence of man, occur in the scope of sunnatullah!

                        Sunnatullah has been described as

                        “…And you will not find in our sunnah any change.” (Quran 1777)

                        “…And never will you find in the System (course) of Allah (sunnatullah) any change.” (Quran 4823)

                        “…You will never encounter an alternative for sunnatullah. You will never find a change in the sunnatullah.” (Quran 3543)

                        https//www.ahmedhulusi.org/en/article/the-immutable-constants-of-allahs-system-sunnatullah


                        The definition of Islam

                        The deen in the sight of Allah is Islam. (319)

                        Is it other than the deen of Allah (Islam) that you desire, when everything in the heavens and earth , willingly or unwillingly, أَسْلَمَ to Him (LordLaw of Nature) and to Him you will be returned (for its cause and effect, consequences)? (383)

                        Islam (ISM / Natural Law) = "everything in the heavens and earth , willingly or unwillingly, أَسْلَمَ to Him (LordLaw of Nature)"

                        You are free to choose but you are not free from the consequence of your choice.

                        Can your Allah disobey Law of Nature (My God)?

                        Proof?

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                          Mazhar
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                          What does sunnatullah mean?

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                            What does sunnatullah mean?

                            Open your eyes..

                            All the laws with which we automatically comply (WILLINGLY OR UNWILLINGLY) in this world and all the universal laws have been termed ‘sunnatullah’ in the Quran…

                            We are only as blind as we want to be. <- Brainwashed ( = People of the Book, "Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education/BOOK" vs. The UNLETTERED/ Ecological Justice)

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                              Mazhar
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                              Open your eyes..

                              We are only as blind as we want to be. <- Brainwashed ( = People of the Book, "Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education/BOOK" vs. The UNLETTERED/ Ecological Justice)

                              Do you mean to say sunnatallah signifies "open your eyes"?

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                                Do you mean to say sunnatallah signifies "open your eyes"?

                                I mean stop being a Joker. .

                                What is your argument? Reason? Proof?

                                Those who are blind in this world will be blind in the Next World and even further off the Path. (1772)

                                Of course.. .

                                إِنَّ ٱلَّذِینَ كَفَرُوا۟ What have they disavowed?

                                They will not have arguments but will say “By Allah, our LordLaw, we were not polytheists.” Look! How they lie against themselves! The lie (unnature) will leave them what they invented. (623-24)

                                They think they deceive Allah and those who have iman.
                                They deceive no one but themselves but they are not aware of it (Joker). (29) laugh

                                so much for wishful thinking....

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                                  But what is meant by sunnatallah? Why blind to question.

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                                    But what is meant by sunnatallah? Why blind to question.

                                    so now you cannot understand English?

                                    All the laws with which we automatically comply (WILLINGLY OR UNWILLINGLY) in this world and all the universal laws have been termed ‘sunnatullah’ in the Quran…

                                    Sunnatullah = Way of Allah

                                    What is Allah?

                                    Allah (is) the LordLaw of the Universe. (12)

                                    Allah is the Light/Energy. (2435)

                                    Therefore, way of the Universe... Energy, mathematical patterns..

                                    ie. LordLaw of Nature

                                    Can you possibly know all these laws?

                                    Nay! Indeed, man surely transgresses! (966)

                                    Impossible... and thus we have Natural Law (Syariatullah) and the theology..

                                    The Theology

                                    • Law of Nature (Sunnatullah, 3543 - MATH)

                                    • Natural Person (Revelation, 6940 - E)

                                    • Natural Law (Syariatullah, The Jihad for Natural Society, 6156-158 - ISM)
                                    (Tawba is to align our nature/syariatullah with NATURE/SUNNATULLAH)

                                    Salat means preserving and restoring natural justice or natural order. The natural order (sunnatullah) is the moral source from which human law should seek to derive its authority. It encompasses the natural relations of beings to one another in the absence of human law (forced justice / political jurisprudence), and which 'salat, zakat and sujud' attempts to reinforce.

                                    https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51960917_2292313450985233_1464229315565584384_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=41723bffa7187e08edbe6104e4aca8f0&oe=5D42DABC

                                    As for those who have iman (in the Sunnatullah / Law of Nature) and do right/natural actions — We impose on no self any more than it can bear — they are the Companions of the Garden, remaining in it timelessly, for ever. (742)

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      Quote from Mazhar on Today at 102717 AM
                                      But what is meant by sunnatallah? Why blind to question.

                                      so now you cannot understand English?

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                                      All the laws with which we automatically comply (WILLINGLY OR UNWILLINGLY) in this world and all the universal laws have been termed ‘sunnatullah’ in the Quran…

                                      Sunnatullah = Way of Allah

                                      What is Allah?

                                      Allah (is) the LordLaw of the Universe. (12)

                                      Allah is the Light/Energy. (2435)

                                      Threfore, way of the Universe... Energy, mathematical patterns..

                                      ie. LordLaw of Nature

                                      So your conclusion is that Allah is matter -light/energy!!.

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                                        So your conclusion is that Allah is matter -light/energy!!.

                                        Of course..

                                        Allah is the Light. (2435)

                                        You have other Gods?

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                                          Quote from Mazhar on Today at 104026 AM
                                          So your conclusion is that Allah is matter -light/energy!!.

                                          Of course..

                                          Allah is the Light. (2435)

                                          You have other Gods?

                                          If your allah is matter/light then what is life because matter is void of life

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