How did we populate the world in the first place

hawk99

Sorry brother Quran tells us that creation is through evolution. And yes species were evolved independent of each other. There is no jumping from Apes to Humans or any other species. The life started at unicellular level for each species. The evolution changes species from unicellular to complex systems.

The origin of human race is from "nafsin wahidatin" translated as "adam by biblical mullahs but it is now understood as "single cell" after understanding evolution in creation.

Salaam

Peace imrankhawaja, Novice are you suggesting the earth was
populated thru incest? yuck

Was the first bashar/human created outside of the woman's womb?

How did it survive without a mother?

Who cared for it, raised and protected it?

What was it's environment?

Did it grow up, in a swamp?

Silly questions I know but just wondering confused

ajzhyder

Salam
Do we know for sure how other animal species came into being? For example how horses or cows emerged? Did they come from one single pair or a community of them formed simultaneously?

396

Also, if some one can shed light on their understanding of the 8 types of cattle mentioned in above Ayat as being sent down.

Thanks

imrankhawaja

1 Peace imrankhawaja, Novice are you suggesting the earth was
populated thru incest? yuck

2 Was the first bashar/human created outside of the woman's womb?

3 How did it survive without a mother?

4 Who cared for it, raised and protected it?

5 What was it's environment?

6 Did it grow up, in a swamp?

Silly questions I know but just wondering confused

PEACE brother hawk,
1 earth is populated and created as per laws of creation and population with perfect measures. STARTED from singularity.

2 careful study of quran indicate first creation of animals is from the the womb of earth.
2nd generation of animals got builtin factories of reproduction. then from the womb of mother.

3 there is always a MOTHER everywhere, mother STAR, mother PLANET, mother GALAXY.
everything we see and observe RELY their existence on their mothers.

example mother star SUN is responsible for birth of earth and moon in planetary system. sun is the one who knows his responsibilites till kids are not self sufficent for their NEEDs.

4 creator did it, he already knows how to solve the math of earth.

5 we can only guess what was its atmosphere but it must be as per the requirements.

6 see point 2.

4.5 billion years of history and we are dealing it with 6 points rotfl
brother hawk thats the beauty of TRUE creator he let human explore him and understand nature.
he always give HINTS in shape of advancing ourselves so all this fossil discoveries and archealogy findings are here for us to find for ourselves lot of answers. let see how much more updates are waiting for us.

Novice

ASK and SAID are synonyms dosent really change what i said/asked.

Salam brother imran

230

They said ............... Root is

4153

They had asked ........... Root is

Every world in Quran has wisdom behind it.

malaika ask/said are u placing the one who spreading bloodshed whats the logic?

Logic is that they were seeing what human race was doing at that time.

coming back to the PEOPLE who know the language.
your RED part is a ( past/present continious tense) or IMPERFECT tense of verb ?

and in 230 are both imperfect verbs .

Novice

Peace imrankhawaja, Novice are you suggesting the earth was
populated thru incest? yuck

Brother my post was to rule out incest. Incest is haram.

Was the first bashar/human created outside of the woman's womb?

How did it survive without a mother?

Who cared for it, raised and protected it?

What was it's environment?

Did it grow up, in a swamp?

Silly questions I know but just wondering confused

Does Quran tell us about first human being? I do not think so.

Life started at unicellular level, asexual reproduction evolved into sexual reproduction, simple life evolved into complex one. This is what I have understood from Quran and science.

Salam

hawk99

PEACE brother hawk,
1 earth is populated and created as per laws of creation and population with perfect measures. STARTED from singularity.

2 careful study of quran indicate first creation of animals is from the the womb of earth.
2nd generation of animals got builtin factories of reproduction. then from the womb of mother.

3 there is always a MOTHER everywhere, mother STAR, mother PLANET, mother GALAXY.
everything we see and observe RELY their existence on their mothers.

example mother star SUN is responsible for birth of earth and moon in planetary system. sun is the one who knows his responsibilites till kids are not self sufficent for their NEEDs.

4 creator did it, he already knows how to solve the math of earth.

5 we can only guess what was its atmosphere but it must be as per the requirements.

6 see point 2.

4.5 billion years of history and we are dealing it with 6 points rotfl
brother hawk thats the beauty of TRUE creator he let human explore him and understand nature.
he always give HINTS in shape of advancing ourselves so all this fossil discoveries and archealogy findings are here for us to find for ourselves lot of answers. let see how much more updates are waiting for us.

Peace imrankhawaja

Yes the laws of creation has populated the earth,
but the question is how? The conditions for humananity
doesn't seem favorable without a mother.
Allah says that living things created from water but
the process is unknown to us, we were not witnesses.
Yes, mother of or "that which gives birth" is a historical
definition across time and cultures, but the "beginning"
I can only speculate about.

If we continue with your line of adherence wouldn't we
conclude that the woman was created first & wouldn't
that assertion be in line with what you have presented? Or is it that
the earth gave birth (mother earth) but how did mother earth care
for her human offspring?

Do we know for sure how other animal species came into being? For example how horses or cows emerged? Did they come from one single pair or a community of them formed simultaneously?

Also, if some one can shed light on their understanding of the 8 types of cattle mentioned in above Ayat as being sent down.

Thanks

Peace ajzhyder

Good questions, I think we do not know, and the scientist
only guess.

Brother my post was to rule out incest. Incest is haram.

Does Quran tell us about first human being? I do not think so.

Life started at unicellular level, asexual reproduction evolved into sexual reproduction, simple life evolved into complex one. This is what I have understood from Quran and science.

Salam

Peace Novice, how do you populate the earth with only two
people without incest? yuck unless they were not the
only people. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

Jafar

I would like to ask the are we did we come from inbreeding. I mean after Adam and eve is that their children married each other?

This is what we know so far..

How Humans Migrated Across The Globe
https//youtu.be/CJdT6QcSbQ0

Now regarding Adam & Eve mythology..

Your question is 'quite ancient'.
It has been asked for nearly 3000 years, such question came up as soon as the myth of Adam and Eve got invented (Babylonian period). Which of course makes perfect sense..
The other variant of the question is "Whom did they married?", given no name of Adam's daughter were being mentioned.

This is among the attempt to answer such question 2000 years ago, from Midrash.

"Cain was born with a twin sister and Abel was born with two sisters. They each married the sister who was born with them. It was actually a quarrel over who would get to marry the third sister that led to Cain slaying Abel.

The third generations of humans had no need for this loophole, because marriage between first cousins is not considered incest according to Torah law.

So why are these daughters not mentioned in the Torah? They are. Later in Genesis we are told, "And the days of Adam after he fathered Seth were eight hundred years, and he fathered sons and daughters"?though we are not informed of their identities. The Torah only records the names of those who were leaders of note, those who played a role in the biblical narrative, or the men who formed the chain of lineage connecting Adam to Noah (and later Noah to Abraham)."

Ancient semitic people thought how human came into existence was similar with how Mr Bean come into being.
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No parent, no sibling, never experienced childhood and fall down from heaven as an adult.

imrankhawaja

Salam brother imran

230

They said ............... Root is

4153

They had asked ........... Root is

Every world in Quran has wisdom behind it.

salam and peace brother novice,

i agree on above and i asked/said/communicate/call my thing in ENGLISH.

we were not talking about the grammer of ask / said used by QURAN but a logic what i try to repharase it again in next quote.

Logic is that they were seeing what human race was doing at that time.

look carefully brother,

1 HUMAN race was already present.
2 they were doing bloodshedding.
3 malaika were watching them.

on behalf of these three apparent points..

if human race was already present and shedding blood then what was the BEING they were discussing about? (superhuman BEING).

if humans were already present and doing bloodshedding was God not aware ?

if God was aware and malaika were aware too whats point telling the God they are bloodshedder?

was God is about to make a bigger bloodshedder than the bloodshedder before?

tbh i have lot of points to said/ask but purpose is to understand the LOGIC so i m not writting all of them just see what i was on about .. (logic not grammer of ask/said).

and in 230 are both imperfect verbs .

EXCELLENT, so

The imperfect is a verb form which combines past tense (reference to a past time) and imperfective aspect (reference to a continuing or repeated event or state).

its bit offtopic just to see how many angles are there.
was it the time before creation of Neanderthals ?
was it the time before creation of Homosapiens ?
or in between somewhere ?

Coming back to your RED part what i asked actually here it is again ..

230 tells me that there was a race on the earth spreading disorder and shedding blood when God decided to appoint it as a successor.

your red part is PAST continuous tense of VERB or imperfect verb ? peace

imrankhawaja

Peace imrankhawaja

Yes the laws of creation has populated the earth,
but the question is how? The conditions for humananity
doesn't seem favorable without a mother.

peace brother hawk,

this question is better ask/confirm from (creator/manaufacturer/modifier) of population.. so you and me on the same boat rotfl
God gona show us a video how he create and populate world .. and the chapter adam and eve will unlock lot of mysteries and myths lol.

Allah says that living things created from water but
the process is unknown to us, we were not witnesses.

yeh at that time we HUMANs were not present to witness all of it coz the video cameras material was also in the process of creation along with lot other things. laugh

there are some nice documentries on how the EARTH begin, and how dramatically only earth support life in observeable planets of our solar system.. and the role of WATER. atleast science and quran are on same channel at this point of "START"

i m saying again material is not mystery LIFE is mystery

Yes, mother of or "that which gives birth" is a historical
definition across time and cultures, but the "beginning"
I can only speculate about.

about "beginning" our unit of beginning is singularity... even at one point all of the matter of universe had a size like a tennis ball..(including us)..

as we are here we cant deny it now.. but we also dnt know how ? scientists and philosphers from last many centuries try to find out this "HOW" ? how we come into being... ?

If we continue with your line of adherence wouldn't we
conclude that the woman was created first & wouldn't
that assertion be in line with what you have presented? Or is it that
the earth gave birth (mother earth) but how did mother earth care
for her human offspring?

its a slight misunderstanding here...
i did not claim but i highlight what Quran & science interpretation are highlighting about things..

and i will handle this of your quote with same way..

QURAN,

author said he creates from one and then multiplied it... (unisex) ===> 1
breakup of (unisex) 1 ====> male cell + female cell..

started from water.

SCIENCE

scientists said life of (BODY) started from water and started from single cell.. (somewhat similar)

but both are struggling to make human understand HOW all it happened ?

sometimes i start thinking when i reflect/ponder on small things of creation how it come in to being...

material and matter still got science in it we can discover their chemical/physical properties and we can also assume some results..

BUT i was on about LIFE how we can examine the LIFE ? the day we understand this will b the day we will unlock lot of mysteries...

hawk99

peace brother hawk,

this question is better ask/confirm from (creator/manaufacturer/modifier) of population.. so you and me on the same boat rotfl

i m saying again material is not mystery LIFE is mystery

and i will handle this of your quote with same way..

QURAN,

started from water.

SCIENCE

scientists said life of (BODY) started from water and started from single cell.. (somewhat similar)

but both are struggling to make human understand HOW all it happened ?

sometimes i start thinking when i reflect/ponder on small things of creation how it come in to being...

material and matter still got science in it we can discover their chemical/physical properties and we can also assume some results..

BUT i was on about LIFE how we can examine the LIFE ? the day we understand this will b the day we will unlock lot of mysteries...

Peace imrankhawaja

! How about creating a scenario as per Quran that solves all issues yes &

Here is what works, 1st part

We know from Quran that bashar = all human forms that is jinns/humans.
ethnic groups, clans, tribes.
No incest required to populate earth yes As per brother Novice.
The jinn lived on earth before Adam.
No incest if Adam and progeny and jinn reproduced.
No incest if Adam and progeny reproduced with existing ethnic
groups, clans, tribes.
Adam not raised alone in swamp. rotfl

input appreciated

Novice

Peace Novice, how do you populate the earth with only two
people without incest? yuck unless they were not the
only people. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

Salaam brother hawk99

You are asking what I have tried to say already. Malaika were seeing a human race creating disorder and shedding blood. It did not start with one pair of human being.

imrankhawaja

You are asking what I have tried to say already. Malaika were seeing a human race creating disorder and shedding blood. It did not start with one pair of human being.

peace brother,

who were they and how they started their LIFE in START. ( time frame = 13.7 billion) ?

let say 600 million years ago at the age of dinosaurs.. what was their STATUS ?

i want you to take me to the start of HOMOsaphiens or any APE ?..

was there not a time when human being was nothing ( from single drop of fluid ) (singularity)
do not the disbielevers see heavens and earth were one unit (singularity)
BIGBANG of science ( at one point it was like a size of tennnis ball)... also start from (singularity)

Novice

i agree on above and i asked/said/communicate/call my thing in ENGLISH.

we were not talking about the grammer of ask / said used by QURAN but a logic what i try to repharase it again in next quote.

Salaam Brother Imran

If we leave the text of Quran then we are guessing.

look carefully brother,

1 HUMAN race was already present.
2 they were doing bloodshedding.
3 malaika were watching them.

on behalf of these three apparent points..

if human race was already present and shedding blood then what was the BEING they were discussing about? (superhuman BEING).

They said "Are you appointing in it the one who creates disorder and sheds blood!!!"

if humans were already present and doing bloodshedding was God not aware ?

Of course God knew and He decided to give that human race knowledge.

231

And He gave knowledge to humans .........

if God was aware and malaika were aware too whats point telling the God they are bloodshedder?

was God is about to make a bigger bloodshedder than the bloodshedder before?

They were not telling God but were wondering.

The imperfect is a verb form which combines past tense (reference to a past time) and imperfective aspect (reference to a continuing or repeated event or state).

Perfect verb informs that action was completed and it has become an event of past. So it is called
" " .

Imperfect verb informs us that an action is happening and continuing into future. It is called .

its bit offtopic just to see how many angles are there.
was it the time before creation of Neanderthals ?
was it the time before creation of Homosapiens ?
or in between somewhere ?

Quran does not use these terms instead it uses the term "Adam".

Coming back to your RED part what i asked actually here it is again ..

your red part is PAST continuous tense of VERB or imperfect verb ? peace

Brother I already wrote that and are imperfect verbs . Imperfect verbs show an action is happening at the time.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

They said those who wrote Harry Potter knew there is an invisible city, or the bermuda triangle etc .. and it is well-established fact that many people have entered into the kingdom of jinn .. I knew how it is to be done and I've been there .. and we have that ability and so as the jinn... some were kidnapped by the jinn and went missing for weeks, months or even years.. so that's how people were sent down from heaven to Earth in the first place. It's just different dimensions and energy, there is no big deal on how we first populate the Earth...

534 It is a divine inspiration.
...
5311 THE HEART did not invent what it SAW.
5312 Do you doubt him in what he (the Heart) saw
5313 And indeed, he (the Heart) saw him in another descent.
5314 At the ultimate point.
5315 Near it is the eternal Paradise.
5316 The whole place was overwhelmed.
5317 The eyes (HEART) did not waver, nor go blind.
5318 He (HEART) has seen from the great signs of his LordLaw (of Mathematical Patterns).

Muhammad went to Paradise, just as how we first populate the Earth...

But Shaytan made them slip up by means of it, expelling them from where they were. We said, "Go down from here (Heaven dimensions to Earth dimensions // Parallel Dimensions http//img.ent.com.pk/2vR44NiDF-U.jpg http//www.astronomyclubasu.org/uploads/sciences/7481497692170.jpg https//www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-distinction-between-the-past-present-and-future-is-only-a-stubbornly-persistent-albert-einstein-8-73-62.jpg) as enemies to each other! You will have residence on the earth and enjoyment for a time." (236)

By TIME! (1031)

Do you want to go to Heaven, here in this life and before death?

Then, follow the same path ..

5315 Near it is the eternal Paradise.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

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A Tibetan Master once said to me, "An enlightened Master can travel more in a minute than other people can travel in 144,000 lifetimes." https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56800800_2320018638214714_5212618377691922432_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=78c3c0b234e37c8a9ae434c72f93732e&oe=5D425A86 https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56968327_2320026758213902_5749225011764264960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=ab000c98cd7eb3257d5cbe0087fc3e00&oe=5D3B51DB This is because the state of enlightenment is a state of infinite expansion, of infinite receptivity to the Light, the mind that is in the enlightenment field is exploding ceaselessly, endlessly, opening up and up. The bird of gnosis, free from the prison of the false self, is free to fly on and on into the Light (ALLAH), into vision after vision, metamorphosis after metamorphosis.

Allah is ENERGY. (2435) ...Light upon Light. Allah guides to His Light whoever He wills and Allah makes metaphors for mankind

They only know the outside appearance of the worldly life; and regarding the Hereafter (Parallel Dimension/Universe), they are ignorant. (307)

ALL are ignorant in the Hereafter, it is only guesswork
THEREFORE, Parallel Universe ( = Hereafter)

Mahdi_Ibrahim

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Light upon light. (2435)
.
They only know the outside appearance of the worldly life; and regarding the Hereafter (Parallel Dimension/Universe), they are ignorant. (307)

centi50

Salam Brother Novice, ND all

236 So, the devil tricked both and he brought both of them out from what they were in, and We said, "Descend, you are all enemies of one another. In the land shall be stability for you and luxury for a while

From the above verse I deduce that God said that the devil and Mankind will be enemies. Or maybe I am wrong.

Second question is Adam a race or single being?

235 We said, "O Adam, reside you and your mate in the paradise, and eat from it bountifully as you both wish, and do not approach this tree, else you will be of those who did wrong.

The above tell me here Adam is a single being.

230 Your Lord said to the controllers, "I am placing a successor on earth." They said, "Would You place in it he who would corrupt it, and shed blood, while we sing Your glory, and praise You?" He said, "I know what you do not know

Could this verse mean that the angels were wondering that God is going to create a being same as the one which is on earth shedding blood and corruption. Could the being that was on earth be the Jinn species so as for angels thinking That the human species will do same as the jinn species shredding blood?

Bless all of you

huruf

When you say ""homo sapiens" and his or her mate, lead a life of such and such..."

Does it mean to you that there were just those two people inhabiting the earth, or there that there was a whole kind of beings in whichever numbers?

Or say the cro-magnon "The cro-magnon couples did this or that, does that mean that there were only two cro-magnon?"

I tried to explain that already but you seem to expect that the Qur'an should tell you
"Adam was individual and not a group"
or that it should tell you

"adam was a group and not just an individual."

Of course that would spare anybody the need to think and think logically and reason through.

But the thing is that the Qur'an does order us to reflect, ponder, reason, and do all those things that we do not expect to have to do when God speaks, because, if He knows all, He should tells us plainly and we would just have to obey and follow like lambs. ?Why should He complicate our lives?

God, in the Qur'an gives too many hints as to the make up of humans for those who read it to expect that God is going to pander to our laziness or our childish expectations that everything has to be given to us to spare us the trouble of daring to think for ourselves, out of the box, if need be, and again, be given everything so we do not have to do any effort. That is what religion is for , isn'it?

That is the way many of us have been taught to feel in religious matters. But the Qur'an seems to disagree strongly with that. And when it is dealt wih in such a way, as if we were helpless children or helpless idiots, takes its revenge as it says itself too many times and too plainly. The Qur'n only enlightens those who want to be enlightened by it. Those who merely want to be spared the trouble of thinking, will be spared that trouble all right, but the price is something else.

Salaam

Novice

Salaam centi50

236 So, the devil tricked both (men and women) and he brought both of them out from what they were in, and We said, "Descend, you (plural more than two) are all enemies of one another (plural more than two). In the land shall be stability for you (plural more than two) and luxury for a while

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From the above verse I deduce that God said that the devil and Mankind will be enemies. Or maybe I am wrong.

Humans are enemy to each other when they start living in discord (racism, caste, class etc.) called the tree .

Second question is Adam a race or single being?

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235 We said, "O Adam, reside you and your mate (representing early humans) in the paradise (a state od bliss and peace), and eat from it bountifully as you both wish, and do not approach this tree, else you will be of those who did wrong.

The above tell me here Adam is a single being.

238

QXP
We said, 'For now, all of you are degraded to a lower level of existence, out of
this state of felicity (paradise). But, when guidance comes to you from Me,
those who will follow My guidance, on them shall be no fear from without,
nor shall they grieve from within.'

230 Your Lord said to the controllers, "I am placing appointing a successor on earth." They said, "Would Are you placing in it he who would corrupts it, and sheds blood, while we sing Your glory, and praise You?" He said, "I know what you do not know

Could this verse mean that the angels were wondering that God is going to create appoint a being same as the one who is on earth shedding blood and corruption. Could the being that was on earth be the Jinn species so as for angels thinking That the human species will do same as the jinn species shredding blood?

It is all supposition (sentence in red above). I could not find any reference to it in Quran.

Novice

When you say ""homo sapiens" and his or her mate, lead a life of such and such..."

Does it mean to you that there were just those two people inhabiting the earth, or there that there was a whole kind of beings in whichever numbers?

Or say the cro-magnon "The cro-magnon couples did this or that, does that mean that there were only two cro-magnon?"

I tried to explain that already but you seem to expect that the Qur'an should tell you
"Adam was individual and not a group"
or that it should tell you

"adam was a group and not just an individual."

Of course that would spare anybody the need to think and think logically and reason through.

But the thing is that the Qur'an does order us to reflect, ponder, reason, and do all those things that we do not expect to have to do when God speaks, because, if He knows all, He should tells us plainly and we would just have to obey and follow like lambs. ?Why should He complicate our lives?

God, in the Qur'an gives too many hints as to the make up of humans for those who read it to expect that God is going to pander to our laziness or our childish expectations that everything has to be given to us to spare us the trouble of daring to think for ourselves, out of the box, if need be, and again, be given everything so we do not have to do any effort. That is what religion is for , isn'it?

That is the way many of us have been taught to feel in religious matters. But the Qur'an seems to disagree strongly with that. And when it is dealt wih in such a way, as if we were helpless children or helpless idiots, takes its revenge as it says itself too many times and too plainly. The Qur'n only enlightens those who want to be enlightened by it. Those who merely want to be spared the trouble of thinking, will be spared that trouble all right, but the price is something else.

Salaam

Salaam sister huruf. It takes time and a sicere effort to get the truth and shed the pre-conceived ideas. I had same confusions as centi 50 because I was born into a suuni muslim family. We need to approach Quran for guidance with a clean slate.