How did we populate the world in the first place
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I would like to ask the are we did we come from inbreeding. I mean after Adam and eve is that their children married each other?
This is what we know so far..
How Humans Migrated Across The Globe
https//youtu.be/CJdT6QcSbQ0Now regarding Adam & Eve mythology..
Your question is 'quite ancient'.
It has been asked for nearly 3000 years, such question came up as soon as the myth of Adam and Eve got invented (Babylonian period). Which of course makes perfect sense..
The other variant of the question is "Whom did they married?", given no name of Adam's daughter were being mentioned.This is among the attempt to answer such question 2000 years ago, from Midrash.
"Cain was born with a twin sister and Abel was born with two sisters. They each married the sister who was born with them. It was actually a quarrel over who would get to marry the third sister that led to Cain slaying Abel.
The third generations of humans had no need for this loophole, because marriage between first cousins is not considered incest according to Torah law.
So why are these daughters not mentioned in the Torah? They are. Later in Genesis we are told, "And the days of Adam after he fathered Seth were eight hundred years, and he fathered sons and daughters"?though we are not informed of their identities. The Torah only records the names of those who were leaders of note, those who played a role in the biblical narrative, or the men who formed the chain of lineage connecting Adam to Noah (and later Noah to Abraham)."
Ancient semitic people thought how human came into existence was similar with how Mr Bean come into being.
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Salam brother imran
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They said ............... Root is
4153
They had asked ........... Root is
Every world in Quran has wisdom behind it.
salam and peace brother novice,
i agree on above and i asked/said/communicate/call my thing in ENGLISH.
we were not talking about the grammer of ask / said used by QURAN but a logic what i try to repharase it again in next quote.
Logic is that they were seeing what human race was doing at that time.
look carefully brother,
1 HUMAN race was already present.
2 they were doing bloodshedding.
3 malaika were watching them.on behalf of these three apparent points..
if human race was already present and shedding blood then what was the BEING they were discussing about? (superhuman BEING).
if humans were already present and doing bloodshedding was God not aware ?
if God was aware and malaika were aware too whats point telling the God they are bloodshedder?
was God is about to make a bigger bloodshedder than the bloodshedder before?
tbh i have lot of points to said/ask but purpose is to understand the LOGIC so i m not writting all of them just see what i was on about .. (logic not grammer of ask/said).
and in 230 are both imperfect verbs .
EXCELLENT, so
The imperfect is a verb form which combines past tense (reference to a past time) and imperfective aspect (reference to a continuing or repeated event or state).
its bit offtopic just to see how many angles are there.
was it the time before creation of Neanderthals ?
was it the time before creation of Homosapiens ?
or in between somewhere ?Coming back to your RED part what i asked actually here it is again ..
230 tells me that there was a race on the earth spreading disorder and shedding blood when God decided to appoint it as a successor.
your red part is PAST continuous tense of VERB or imperfect verb ? peace
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Peace imrankhawaja
- Yes the laws of creation has populated the earth,
but the question is how? The conditions for humananity
doesn't seem favorable without a mother.
peace brother hawk,
this question is better ask/confirm from (creator/manaufacturer/modifier) of population.. so you and me on the same boat rotfl
God gona show us a video how he create and populate world .. and the chapter adam and eve will unlock lot of mysteries and myths lol.- Allah says that living things created from water but
the process is unknown to us, we were not witnesses.
yeh at that time we HUMANs were not present to witness all of it coz the video cameras material was also in the process of creation along with lot other things. laugh
there are some nice documentries on how the EARTH begin, and how dramatically only earth support life in observeable planets of our solar system.. and the role of WATER. atleast science and quran are on same channel at this point of "START"
i m saying again material is not mystery LIFE is mystery
- Yes, mother of or "that which gives birth" is a historical
definition across time and cultures, but the "beginning"
I can only speculate about.
about "beginning" our unit of beginning is singularity... even at one point all of the matter of universe had a size like a tennis ball..(including us)..
as we are here we cant deny it now.. but we also dnt know how ? scientists and philosphers from last many centuries try to find out this "HOW" ? how we come into being... ?
If we continue with your line of adherence wouldn't we
conclude that the woman was created first & wouldn't
that assertion be in line with what you have presented? Or is it that
the earth gave birth (mother earth) but how did mother earth care
for her human offspring?its a slight misunderstanding here...
i did not claim but i highlight what Quran & science interpretation are highlighting about things..and i will handle this of your quote with same way..
QURAN,
author said he creates from one and then multiplied it... (unisex) ===> 1
breakup of (unisex) 1 ====> male cell + female cell..started from water.
SCIENCE
scientists said life of (BODY) started from water and started from single cell.. (somewhat similar)
but both are struggling to make human understand HOW all it happened ?
sometimes i start thinking when i reflect/ponder on small things of creation how it come in to being...
material and matter still got science in it we can discover their chemical/physical properties and we can also assume some results..
BUT i was on about LIFE how we can examine the LIFE ? the day we understand this will b the day we will unlock lot of mysteries...
- Yes the laws of creation has populated the earth,
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peace brother hawk,
this question is better ask/confirm from (creator/manaufacturer/modifier) of population.. so you and me on the same boat rotfl
i m saying again material is not mystery LIFE is mystery
and i will handle this of your quote with same way..
QURAN,
started from water.
SCIENCE
scientists said life of (BODY) started from water and started from single cell.. (somewhat similar)
but both are struggling to make human understand HOW all it happened ?
sometimes i start thinking when i reflect/ponder on small things of creation how it come in to being...
material and matter still got science in it we can discover their chemical/physical properties and we can also assume some results..
BUT i was on about LIFE how we can examine the LIFE ? the day we understand this will b the day we will unlock lot of mysteries...
Peace imrankhawaja
! How about creating a scenario as per Quran that solves all issues yes &
Here is what works, 1st part
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We know from Quran that bashar = all human forms that is jinns/humans.
ethnic groups, clans, tribes. -
No incest required to populate earth yes As per brother Novice.
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The jinn lived on earth before Adam.
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No incest if Adam and progeny and jinn reproduced.
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No incest if Adam and progeny reproduced with existing ethnic
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Adam not raised alone in swamp. rotfl
input appreciated
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Peace Novice, how do you populate the earth with only two
people without incest? yuck unless they were not the
only people. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.Salaam brother hawk99
You are asking what I have tried to say already. Malaika were seeing a human race creating disorder and shedding blood. It did not start with one pair of human being.
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You are asking what I have tried to say already. Malaika were seeing a human race creating disorder and shedding blood. It did not start with one pair of human being.
peace brother,
who were they and how they started their LIFE in START. ( time frame = 13.7 billion) ?
let say 600 million years ago at the age of dinosaurs.. what was their STATUS ?
i want you to take me to the start of HOMOsaphiens or any APE ?..
was there not a time when human being was nothing ( from single drop of fluid ) (singularity)
do not the disbielevers see heavens and earth were one unit (singularity)
BIGBANG of science ( at one point it was like a size of tennnis ball)... also start from (singularity) -
i agree on above and i asked/said/communicate/call my thing in ENGLISH.
we were not talking about the grammer of ask / said used by QURAN but a logic what i try to repharase it again in next quote.
Salaam Brother Imran
If we leave the text of Quran then we are guessing.
look carefully brother,
1 HUMAN race was already present.
2 they were doing bloodshedding.
3 malaika were watching them.on behalf of these three apparent points..
if human race was already present and shedding blood then what was the BEING they were discussing about? (superhuman BEING).
They said "Are you appointing in it the one who creates disorder and sheds blood!!!"
if humans were already present and doing bloodshedding was God not aware ?
Of course God knew and He decided to give that human race knowledge.
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And He gave knowledge to humans .........
if God was aware and malaika were aware too whats point telling the God they are bloodshedder?
was God is about to make a bigger bloodshedder than the bloodshedder before?
They were not telling God but were wondering.
The imperfect is a verb form which combines past tense (reference to a past time) and imperfective aspect (reference to a continuing or repeated event or state).
Perfect verb informs that action was completed and it has become an event of past. So it is called
" " .Imperfect verb informs us that an action is happening and continuing into future. It is called .
its bit offtopic just to see how many angles are there.
was it the time before creation of Neanderthals ?
was it the time before creation of Homosapiens ?
or in between somewhere ?Quran does not use these terms instead it uses the term "Adam".
Coming back to your RED part what i asked actually here it is again ..
your red part is PAST continuous tense of VERB or imperfect verb ? peace
Brother I already wrote that and are imperfect verbs . Imperfect verbs show an action is happening at the time.
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They said those who wrote Harry Potter knew there is an invisible city, or the bermuda triangle etc .. and it is well-established fact that many people have entered into the kingdom of jinn .. I knew how it is to be done and I've been there .. and we have that ability and so as the jinn... some were kidnapped by the jinn and went missing for weeks, months or even years.. so that's how people were sent down from heaven to Earth in the first place. It's just different dimensions and energy, there is no big deal on how we first populate the Earth...
534 It is a divine inspiration.
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5311 THE HEART did not invent what it SAW.
5312 Do you doubt him in what he (the Heart) saw
5313 And indeed, he (the Heart) saw him in another descent.
5314 At the ultimate point.
5315 Near it is the eternal Paradise.
5316 The whole place was overwhelmed.
5317 The eyes (HEART) did not waver, nor go blind.
5318 He (HEART) has seen from the great signs of his LordLaw (of Mathematical Patterns).Muhammad went to Paradise, just as how we first populate the Earth...
But Shaytan made them slip up by means of it, expelling them from where they were. We said, "Go down from here (Heaven dimensions to Earth dimensions // Parallel Dimensions http//img.ent.com.pk/2vR44NiDF-U.jpg http//www.astronomyclubasu.org/uploads/sciences/7481497692170.jpg https//www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-distinction-between-the-past-present-and-future-is-only-a-stubbornly-persistent-albert-einstein-8-73-62.jpg) as enemies to each other! You will have residence on the earth and enjoyment for a time." (236)
By TIME! (1031)
Do you want to go to Heaven, here in this life and before death?
Then, follow the same path ..
5315 Near it is the eternal Paradise.
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Allah is ENERGY. (2435) ...Light upon Light. Allah guides to His Light whoever He wills and Allah makes metaphors for mankind
They only know the outside appearance of the worldly life; and regarding the Hereafter (Parallel Dimension/Universe), they are ignorant. (307)
ALL are ignorant in the Hereafter, it is only guesswork
THEREFORE, Parallel Universe ( = Hereafter) -
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Light upon light. (2435)
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They only know the outside appearance of the worldly life; and regarding the Hereafter (Parallel Dimension/Universe), they are ignorant. (307) -
Salam Brother Novice, ND all
236 So, the devil tricked both and he brought both of them out from what they were in, and We said, "Descend, you are all enemies of one another. In the land shall be stability for you and luxury for a while
From the above verse I deduce that God said that the devil and Mankind will be enemies. Or maybe I am wrong.
Second question is Adam a race or single being?
235 We said, "O Adam, reside you and your mate in the paradise, and eat from it bountifully as you both wish, and do not approach this tree, else you will be of those who did wrong.
The above tell me here Adam is a single being.
230 Your Lord said to the controllers, "I am placing a successor on earth." They said, "Would You place in it he who would corrupt it, and shed blood, while we sing Your glory, and praise You?" He said, "I know what you do not know
Could this verse mean that the angels were wondering that God is going to create a being same as the one which is on earth shedding blood and corruption. Could the being that was on earth be the Jinn species so as for angels thinking That the human species will do same as the jinn species shredding blood?
Bless all of you
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When you say ""homo sapiens" and his or her mate, lead a life of such and such..."
Does it mean to you that there were just those two people inhabiting the earth, or there that there was a whole kind of beings in whichever numbers?
Or say the cro-magnon "The cro-magnon couples did this or that, does that mean that there were only two cro-magnon?"
I tried to explain that already but you seem to expect that the Qur'an should tell you
"Adam was individual and not a group"
or that it should tell you"adam was a group and not just an individual."
Of course that would spare anybody the need to think and think logically and reason through.
But the thing is that the Qur'an does order us to reflect, ponder, reason, and do all those things that we do not expect to have to do when God speaks, because, if He knows all, He should tells us plainly and we would just have to obey and follow like lambs. ?Why should He complicate our lives?
God, in the Qur'an gives too many hints as to the make up of humans for those who read it to expect that God is going to pander to our laziness or our childish expectations that everything has to be given to us to spare us the trouble of daring to think for ourselves, out of the box, if need be, and again, be given everything so we do not have to do any effort. That is what religion is for , isn'it?
That is the way many of us have been taught to feel in religious matters. But the Qur'an seems to disagree strongly with that. And when it is dealt wih in such a way, as if we were helpless children or helpless idiots, takes its revenge as it says itself too many times and too plainly. The Qur'n only enlightens those who want to be enlightened by it. Those who merely want to be spared the trouble of thinking, will be spared that trouble all right, but the price is something else.
Salaam
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Salaam centi50
236 So, the devil tricked both (men and women) and he brought both of them out from what they were in, and We said, "Descend, you (plural more than two) are all enemies of one another (plural more than two). In the land shall be stability for you (plural more than two) and luxury for a while
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From the above verse I deduce that God said that the devil and Mankind will be enemies. Or maybe I am wrong.
Humans are enemy to each other when they start living in discord (racism, caste, class etc.) called the tree .
Second question is Adam a race or single being?
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235 We said, "O Adam, reside you and your mate (representing early humans) in the paradise (a state od bliss and peace), and eat from it bountifully as you both wish, and do not approach this tree, else you will be of those who did wrong.
The above tell me here Adam is a single being.
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We said, 'For now, all of you are degraded to a lower level of existence, out of
this state of felicity (paradise). But, when guidance comes to you from Me,
those who will follow My guidance, on them shall be no fear from without,
nor shall they grieve from within.'230 Your Lord said to the controllers, "I am placing appointing a successor on earth." They said, "Would Are you placing in it he who would corrupts it, and sheds blood, while we sing Your glory, and praise You?" He said, "I know what you do not know
Could this verse mean that the angels were wondering that God is going to create appoint a being same as the one who is on earth shedding blood and corruption. Could the being that was on earth be the Jinn species so as for angels thinking That the human species will do same as the jinn species shredding blood?
It is all supposition (sentence in red above). I could not find any reference to it in Quran.
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When you say ""homo sapiens" and his or her mate, lead a life of such and such..."
Does it mean to you that there were just those two people inhabiting the earth, or there that there was a whole kind of beings in whichever numbers?
Or say the cro-magnon "The cro-magnon couples did this or that, does that mean that there were only two cro-magnon?"
I tried to explain that already but you seem to expect that the Qur'an should tell you
"Adam was individual and not a group"
or that it should tell you"adam was a group and not just an individual."
Of course that would spare anybody the need to think and think logically and reason through.
But the thing is that the Qur'an does order us to reflect, ponder, reason, and do all those things that we do not expect to have to do when God speaks, because, if He knows all, He should tells us plainly and we would just have to obey and follow like lambs. ?Why should He complicate our lives?
God, in the Qur'an gives too many hints as to the make up of humans for those who read it to expect that God is going to pander to our laziness or our childish expectations that everything has to be given to us to spare us the trouble of daring to think for ourselves, out of the box, if need be, and again, be given everything so we do not have to do any effort. That is what religion is for , isn'it?
That is the way many of us have been taught to feel in religious matters. But the Qur'an seems to disagree strongly with that. And when it is dealt wih in such a way, as if we were helpless children or helpless idiots, takes its revenge as it says itself too many times and too plainly. The Qur'n only enlightens those who want to be enlightened by it. Those who merely want to be spared the trouble of thinking, will be spared that trouble all right, but the price is something else.
Salaam
Salaam sister huruf. It takes time and a sicere effort to get the truth and shed the pre-conceived ideas. I had same confusions as centi 50 because I was born into a suuni muslim family. We need to approach Quran for guidance with a clean slate.
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Salaam brother hawk99
You are asking what I have tried to say already. Malaika were seeing a human race creating disorder and shedding blood. It did not start with one pair of human being.
I agree, except the Adamites were not a part of the human race
on earth when the Malaika proposed the question. Was not Adam
and his lineage the successors to those already here on earth?peace
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I agree, except the Adamites were not a part of the human race
on earth when the Malaika proposed the question. Was not Adam
and his lineage the successors to those already here on earth?( ( ( ( ( (
Brother hawk99 sura 114 does not say that Jinna were living on earth before adamites.
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230 .....they said are you appointing one who is creating disorder in it and sheds blood ....
Looks like Adamites were successor to those who were already living like animals without any knowledge or guidance.
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Salaam Brother Imran
If we leave the text of Quran then we are guessing.
salam bro NOVICE,
even if dnt leave the text of quran we are still GUESSING.They said "Are you appointing in it the one who creates disorder and sheds blood!!!"
why they said and who was the ONE ? i already asked two times...
Of course God knew and He decided to give that human race knowledge.
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And He gave knowledge to humans .........
yeh whats so astonishing in it God is the provider of everything including "knowledge" he is continously providing KNOWLEDGE to humanity till date..
BUT i asked something else u can revisit that post brother.
They were not telling God but were wondering.
DID they wondering upon every creation what God made before human like AL-JINN ? u skipped that question but your post is not going through if u will not give this answer...
Perfect verb informs that action was completed and it has become an event of past. So it is called
" " .Imperfect verb informs us that an action is happening and continuing into future. It is called .
i know that , and i also know that technical issues related with all grammer of (Quran,english,arabic,urdu etc) i will show u examples in next quotes. .
Quran does not use these terms instead it uses the term "Adam".
so its mean ALJINN were ADAM once ?
( look if you leave the text you will be guessing ) rotfl
another TEASER from grammer point of view brother NOVICE do u think adam is singular or plural form used by quran or both forms used by quran ?
Brother I already wrote that and are imperfect verbs . Imperfect verbs show an action is happening at the time.
and i said i know that,
i was thinking u are good in understanding questions but my BAD.
lem me help you there...
230 tells me that there was a race on the earth spreading disorder and shedding blood when God decided to appoint it as a successor.
according to the rules of grammer your tense is PAST continuous tense.. of verb.. you are using (ING) with your helping verbs...
u have no idea about the technical issues with the grammer of english and you are drving a car of QURANIC grammer.. take more time brother...
And kindly see reply 31 ASWELL..
May God guide us All..
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Brother hawk99 sura 114 does not say that Jinna were living on earth before adamites.
True, I was only pointing out the chronological order that the jinn were first!
230 .....they said are you appointing one who is creating disorder in it and sheds blood ....
It appears that the Malaika were not aware that these new people
would be different from the people already residing on earth.Hence the quote
?..Indeed, I know that which you do not know...?Looks like Adamites were successor to those who were already living like animals without any knowledge or guidance.
Based on the roots of Iblis and jinn they behave true
to their nature.peace
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for the PEOPLE who really want to see it by scientific/mathematics way we have graph from last couple of centuries what showed us after suffering from wars and catastrophies human population is increasing and at one one point it started from LEAST scale same like everything else we see have beginning and END.
there is CREATION begind every DESTRUCTION.
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peace brother,
who were they and how they started their LIFE in START. ( time frame = 13.7 billion) ?
let say 600 million years ago at the age of dinosaurs.. what was their STATUS ?
i want you to take me to the start of HOMOsaphiens or any APE ?..
was there not a time when human being was nothing ( from single drop of fluid ) (singularity)
do not the disbielevers see heavens and earth were one unit (singularity)
BIGBANG of science ( at one point it was like a size of tennnis ball)... also start from (singularity)Brother Imran science has not developed so far that we could travel back in time and see what happened at a certain time so we have to rely on the information given in Quran.