Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Scrappy.
Please note that number of the full moons is not 12 but 13
from summer solstice 2018 to summer solstice 2019
http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/phasescat/phases2001.html01 -> Jun 28, 2018
02 -> July 27
03 -> Aug 26
04 -> Sep 25
05 -> Oct 24
06 -> Nov 23
07 -> Dec 22
08 -> Jan 21 ...
09 -> Feb 19
10 -> Mar 21
11 -> Apr 19
12 -> May 18
13 -> Jun 1701 -> July 17 2019
...I counted 12 moons from the last Ramadan, not 13. /
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Does the 13 month get counted as 1, otherwise we will be fasting in april in a few years. I must be having a numpty head moment, cause I can't seem to count. giveup
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I counted the 13th month as number 1 the start of Shahru Ramadan, and fasting is always in June, If you miss the 13th month out completely, which is not what I am understanding anyway, we will keep going backwards.
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Salaam Ayman,
Some of the links on the Quran 4 Peace website is no longer clickable.
Peace and sorry for the delayed reply. The equinoxes will only give you the count of half a year and not a year as per 1712.
In years where you get 13 full-moons between summer solstices, you simply ignore the 13th moon and skip counting it and count only 12 as per 936. This realigns the year so that the first full-moon is always the one after the summer solstice.
Peace and best regards,
Ayman
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Peace and sorry for the delayed reply. The equinoxes will only give you the count of half a year and not a year as per 1712.
In years where you get 13 full-moons between summer solstices, you simply ignore the 13th moon and skip counting it and count only 12 as per 936. This realigns the year so that the first full-moon is always the one after the summer solstice.
Peace and best regards,
Ayman
Ayman seems to say that number of full moons is never 13 as per 936. But God is not saying that. What God is saying as per 936 is that number of full moons is 12 just like He is saying as per 2258 that God brings the sun from the east.
Does the fact that God brings the sun from the east mean that He brings only the sun from the east? Does He not bring from the east the full moons as well?
The claim that number of full moons is only 12 belongs to the supporters of the 12-moon lunar YEAR, and the claim is false. God's truth is that you cannot make a YEAR from - the full moons.
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Ayman seems to say that number of full moons is never 13 as per 936. But God is not saying that. What God is saying as per 936 is that number of full moons is 12 just like He is saying as per 2258 that God brings the sun from the east.
Does the fact that God brings the sun from the east mean that He brings only the sun from the east? Does He not bring from the east the full moons as well?
The claim that number of full moons is only 12 belongs to the supporters of the 12-moon lunar YEAR, and the claim is false. God's truth is that you cannot make a YEAR from - the full moons.
peace brook ... see difference count (1, 2, 3, ... 10, 11, 12) and number e.g. (12)
936 iddata/count
937 iddata/count23112 adada/number
7228 adadan/number of (a number) -
peace brook ... see difference count (1, 2, 3, ... 10, 11, 12) and number e.g. (12)
936 iddata/count
937 iddata/count23112 adada/number
7228 adadan/number of (a number)Ayman has discussed this in the past, e.g.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9480.msg39246#msg39246Original article http//islam-and-muslims.com/timing.html
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peace brook ... see difference count (1, 2, 3, ... 10, 11, 12) and number e.g. (12)
936 iddata/count
937 iddata/count23112 adada/number
7228 adadan/number of (a number)Peace, dear Noon.
Without diacritical marks
in 936 is the same as
in 23112.
I mention this because you consider it important.As for the years where you get 13 full moons between summer solstices,
man has to take it as it is and live the 13th full moon as it is.Man cannot postpone it or skip it as he has no means.
God has placed it where it is,
and there it stays
no matter what man petends to do.The earth makes 1 complete revolution around the sun every 365 plus days,
and that is what makes the YEAR.
The year does not depend on the 12/13 revolutions of the moon around the earth.The solar year is related to full moons (105), yes
but it is not open to man's playing with it.Full moons do need man's skipping or postponing them in order to fit the year.
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peace,
False. For example the former has the ta marbuta at the end.
Yes. I noticed that after I had posted my reply;
thank you for correcting the error.However, what I said in my reply still counts
from the expression "As for the years..."
to the end of the expression "Full moons do NOT need man's skipping or postponing them in order to fit the year."This is also my response to Noon's following post.
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Peace, dear Noon.
Without diacritical marks
in 936 is the same as
in 23112.
I mention this because you consider it important.As for the years where you get 13 full moons between summer solstices,
man has to take it as it is and live the 13th full moon as it is.Man cannot postpone it or skip it as he has no means.
peace brook, have a closer look.
936 indeed iddata/count l-shuhuri near/with the god dual ten shahran
i.e. count 12 between solstices not 13 (man-made count).likewise, the year is solar in all occurrences, never lunar.
9126 every amin/year solar (sing)
3114 amayni/year two solar (dual)
2259 hundred (100) amin/year
likewise, most likely for 200l-sinina/the years (counted pl. 3 to 9)
105 adada/number l-sinina/the years
1825 three hundred (300) sinina/years
likewise, for 400, 500, ..., 800, 900sana/years, perhaps for duration?
tens 10, 20, 30, ..., 70, 80, 90
thousands 1000, 2000, ..., 500004615 group of (40) sanatan/years
704 group of (50) thousand sanatin/years
2914 thousand sanatin/years except group of (50) aman/year of
this is the only problematic one for it says we sent "a noah"?Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/9/vers/36/handschrift/163
662-765 CE (95.4%)https//i.postimg.cc/QMBbPSQ9/ch9v34-40.jpg
peace and all the best!
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https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2018&country=74
--------1----------2-----3-------4-------5-------6-------7------8------9------10------11-----12-----13---
A.Jun 28, 2018-Jul 27-Aug 26-Sep 25-Oct 24-Nov 23-Dec 22-Jan 21-Feb 19-Mar 21-Apr 19-May 19-Jun 17
B.Jul 17, 2019-Aug 15-Sep 14-Oct 14-Nov 12-Dec 12-Jan 10-Feb 09-Mar 09-Apr 08-May 07-Jun 05 ..........
C.Jul 05, 2020-Aug 03-Sep 02-Oct 02-?A, B, C are not a year;
they are each a series of full moons between summer solstices;
and each one of them begins on Shahr Ramadan (Scorching).The year begins on June 21, when the longest daytime is lived.
The first 4 full moons of each series
are arba?AAtun hurum (936), restricted four, as hunting is restricted in them.If you want to avoid the restriction,
you postpone the last non-restricted full moon of a series, e.g. Jun 17, 2019
and live it in place of the following first restricted full moon, e.g. July 17, 2019
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For anyone who cares, and if God so wills, I shall be fasting July 16 for 10 days.
jedi eat peace -
For anyone who cares, and if God so wills, I shall be fasting July 16 for 10 days.
jedi eat peaceHuh that's my birthday.
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... The equinoxes will only give you the count of half a year and not a year as per 1712.
In years where you get 13 full-moons between summer solstices, you simply ignore the 13th moon and skip counting it and count only 12 as per 936. This realigns the year so that the first full-moon is always the one after the summer solstice.
Peace and best regards,
Ayman
What realigns the year is not full moons but man's choice of the day when the year should start.
For example the Christians who drew up their calendar have chosen Jesus Christ's birthday,
so muslims may choose the day when Prophet Muhammed migrated from Medina.
This is none of the business of the full moons because the year is not made up of full moons but months.Full moons and months are different things.
The following are not months;
they are each a 12/13-full moon series between summer solstices--------1----------2-----3-------4-------5-------6-------7------8------9------10------11-----12-----13---
A.Jun 28, 2018-Jul 27-Aug 26-Sep 25-Oct 24-Nov 23-Dec 22-Jan 21-Feb 19-Mar 21-Apr 19-May 19-Jun 17
B.Jul 17, 2019-Aug 15-Sep 14-Oct 14-Nov 12-Dec 12-Jan 10-Feb 09-Mar 09-Apr 08-May 07-Jun 05 ..........
C.Jul 05, 2020-Aug 03-Sep 02-Oct 02-?The 13th full moon of June 17, 2019 takes place in the series before summer solstice 2019
because it rises BEFORE summer solstice 2019.The 12th full moon of June 05, 2020 takes place in the series before summer solstice 2020
because it rises BEFORE summer solstice 2020.God has decided their place, so they stay where they are;
all which man has to do is abide by God's decision.Man has no power, anyways, to postpone a full moon;
neither does he have any power to skip counting it.
Each full moon stays in the series where it belongs to and man lives it during its due time.The number of full moons in series A is 13,
and the number of full moon in series B is 12;
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Salam,
I would like to add a comment on this 12 or 13 months issue.
The Quran is very clear in 936, that the "count of the months with God are 12 months".
This verse is what has caused a tailspin with the Sunni/Shia calendar causing them to chop-off the 13th months which used to be inserted to stabilize the year (although the Qur'an states that they were guilty of manipulation by inserting the 13th year every other year - when it should have been nearly every 3rd year).
As has been pointed out in this thread, the "month" is a full cycle of the moon - lasting 29-30 days, and is not the sighting of the crescent or the full moon.
As such, the statement in 936 becomes very clear the 12 months in 1 year are a factual statement, as there can NEVER be 13 full cycles in 1-year (383 days), further defining to us that the length of the Quran's count of the year, using full months, cannot be less than 354 or greater than 384.
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Salam,
I would like to add a comment on this 12 or 13 months issue.
The Quran is very clear in 936, that the "count of the months with God are 12 months".
This verse is what has caused a tailspin with the Sunni/Shia calendar causing them to chop-off the 13th months which used to be inserted to stabilize the year (although the Qur'an states that they were guilty of manipulation by inserting the 13th year every other year - when it should have been nearly every 3rd year).
As has been pointed out in this thread, the "month" is a full cycle of the moon - lasting 29-30 days, and is not the sighting of the crescent or the full moon.
As such, the statement in 936 becomes very clear the 12 months in 1 year are a factual statement, as there can NEVER be 13 full cycles in 1-year (383 days), further defining to us that the length of the Quran's count of the year, using full months, cannot be less than 354 or greater than 384.
Following are the Scorching Full Moon nights;
--> .. indicating the exact time of the 13th full moon in the
full moon series initiated by the Scorching Full Moon.https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2033&country=74
Jul. 05, 2001
Jun 25, 2002 --> 01
Jul. 13, 2003
Jul. 02, 2004
Jun 22, 2005 --> 02
Jul. 11, 2006
Jun 30, 2007 --> 03
Jul. 18, 2008
Jul. 07, 2009
Jun 26, 2010 --> 04
Jul. 15, 2011
Jul. 03, 2012
Jun 23, 2013 --> 05
Jul. 12, 2014
Jul. 02, 2015 --> 06
Jul. 20, 2016
Jul. 09, 2017
Jun 28, 2018 --> 07
Jul. 17, 2019
Jul. 05, 2020
Jun 25, 2021 -- >08
Jul. 13, 2022
Jul. 02, 2023
Jun 22, 2024 --> 09
Jul. 11, 2025
Jun 30, 2026 --> 10
Jul. 18, 2027
Jul. 07, 2028
Jun 26, 2029 --> 11
Jul. 15, 2030
Jul. 03, 2031
Jun 23, 2032 --> 12
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Peace Scrappy-doo,
For anyone who cares, and if God so wills, I shall be fasting July 16 for 10 days.
jedi eat peaceThe scorching full moon is on the night of July 16. So the fasting starts on the dawn of July 17 and lasts for 10 days, i.e. until July 26th.
In most places, the full-moon will appear shortly after the sun sets. Remember the following passages as you witness it
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So I do swear by the redness of dusk.
After sunset when the sky is glowing red -
And the night and what it enshrouds.
and the night enshrouds the sky from the opposite direction -
And the moon when it becomes symmetric.
from this direction the full symmetric moon appears.
Tip I believe the best way to witness this full moon is to find a spot where there?s a low horizon at the point exactly opposite the sunset, because this is where the big full moon will rise (e.g. the countryside, the beach,...). Once it climbs overhead it will shrink to a fraction of its moonrise size. If possible, try to position yourself so it rises behind some far away buildings or trees to appreciate the size difference.
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