Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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peace brook ... see difference count (1, 2, 3, ... 10, 11, 12) and number e.g. (12)
936 iddata/count
937 iddata/count23112 adada/number
7228 adadan/number of (a number)Peace, dear Noon.
Without diacritical marks
in 936 is the same as
in 23112.
I mention this because you consider it important.As for the years where you get 13 full moons between summer solstices,
man has to take it as it is and live the 13th full moon as it is.Man cannot postpone it or skip it as he has no means.
God has placed it where it is,
and there it stays
no matter what man petends to do.The earth makes 1 complete revolution around the sun every 365 plus days,
and that is what makes the YEAR.
The year does not depend on the 12/13 revolutions of the moon around the earth.The solar year is related to full moons (105), yes
but it is not open to man's playing with it.Full moons do need man's skipping or postponing them in order to fit the year.
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peace,
False. For example the former has the ta marbuta at the end.
Yes. I noticed that after I had posted my reply;
thank you for correcting the error.However, what I said in my reply still counts
from the expression "As for the years..."
to the end of the expression "Full moons do NOT need man's skipping or postponing them in order to fit the year."This is also my response to Noon's following post.
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Peace, dear Noon.
Without diacritical marks
in 936 is the same as
in 23112.
I mention this because you consider it important.As for the years where you get 13 full moons between summer solstices,
man has to take it as it is and live the 13th full moon as it is.Man cannot postpone it or skip it as he has no means.
peace brook, have a closer look.
936 indeed iddata/count l-shuhuri near/with the god dual ten shahran
i.e. count 12 between solstices not 13 (man-made count).likewise, the year is solar in all occurrences, never lunar.
9126 every amin/year solar (sing)
3114 amayni/year two solar (dual)
2259 hundred (100) amin/year
likewise, most likely for 200l-sinina/the years (counted pl. 3 to 9)
105 adada/number l-sinina/the years
1825 three hundred (300) sinina/years
likewise, for 400, 500, ..., 800, 900sana/years, perhaps for duration?
tens 10, 20, 30, ..., 70, 80, 90
thousands 1000, 2000, ..., 500004615 group of (40) sanatan/years
704 group of (50) thousand sanatin/years
2914 thousand sanatin/years except group of (50) aman/year of
this is the only problematic one for it says we sent "a noah"?Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/9/vers/36/handschrift/163
662-765 CE (95.4%)https//i.postimg.cc/QMBbPSQ9/ch9v34-40.jpg
peace and all the best!
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https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2018&country=74
--------1----------2-----3-------4-------5-------6-------7------8------9------10------11-----12-----13---
A.Jun 28, 2018-Jul 27-Aug 26-Sep 25-Oct 24-Nov 23-Dec 22-Jan 21-Feb 19-Mar 21-Apr 19-May 19-Jun 17
B.Jul 17, 2019-Aug 15-Sep 14-Oct 14-Nov 12-Dec 12-Jan 10-Feb 09-Mar 09-Apr 08-May 07-Jun 05 ..........
C.Jul 05, 2020-Aug 03-Sep 02-Oct 02-?A, B, C are not a year;
they are each a series of full moons between summer solstices;
and each one of them begins on Shahr Ramadan (Scorching).The year begins on June 21, when the longest daytime is lived.
The first 4 full moons of each series
are arba?AAtun hurum (936), restricted four, as hunting is restricted in them.If you want to avoid the restriction,
you postpone the last non-restricted full moon of a series, e.g. Jun 17, 2019
and live it in place of the following first restricted full moon, e.g. July 17, 2019
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For anyone who cares, and if God so wills, I shall be fasting July 16 for 10 days.
jedi eat peace -
For anyone who cares, and if God so wills, I shall be fasting July 16 for 10 days.
jedi eat peaceHuh that's my birthday.
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... The equinoxes will only give you the count of half a year and not a year as per 1712.
In years where you get 13 full-moons between summer solstices, you simply ignore the 13th moon and skip counting it and count only 12 as per 936. This realigns the year so that the first full-moon is always the one after the summer solstice.
Peace and best regards,
Ayman
What realigns the year is not full moons but man's choice of the day when the year should start.
For example the Christians who drew up their calendar have chosen Jesus Christ's birthday,
so muslims may choose the day when Prophet Muhammed migrated from Medina.
This is none of the business of the full moons because the year is not made up of full moons but months.Full moons and months are different things.
The following are not months;
they are each a 12/13-full moon series between summer solstices--------1----------2-----3-------4-------5-------6-------7------8------9------10------11-----12-----13---
A.Jun 28, 2018-Jul 27-Aug 26-Sep 25-Oct 24-Nov 23-Dec 22-Jan 21-Feb 19-Mar 21-Apr 19-May 19-Jun 17
B.Jul 17, 2019-Aug 15-Sep 14-Oct 14-Nov 12-Dec 12-Jan 10-Feb 09-Mar 09-Apr 08-May 07-Jun 05 ..........
C.Jul 05, 2020-Aug 03-Sep 02-Oct 02-?The 13th full moon of June 17, 2019 takes place in the series before summer solstice 2019
because it rises BEFORE summer solstice 2019.The 12th full moon of June 05, 2020 takes place in the series before summer solstice 2020
because it rises BEFORE summer solstice 2020.God has decided their place, so they stay where they are;
all which man has to do is abide by God's decision.Man has no power, anyways, to postpone a full moon;
neither does he have any power to skip counting it.
Each full moon stays in the series where it belongs to and man lives it during its due time.The number of full moons in series A is 13,
and the number of full moon in series B is 12;
This is God's truth, and man will acept it. -
Salam,
I would like to add a comment on this 12 or 13 months issue.
The Quran is very clear in 936, that the "count of the months with God are 12 months".
This verse is what has caused a tailspin with the Sunni/Shia calendar causing them to chop-off the 13th months which used to be inserted to stabilize the year (although the Qur'an states that they were guilty of manipulation by inserting the 13th year every other year - when it should have been nearly every 3rd year).
As has been pointed out in this thread, the "month" is a full cycle of the moon - lasting 29-30 days, and is not the sighting of the crescent or the full moon.
As such, the statement in 936 becomes very clear the 12 months in 1 year are a factual statement, as there can NEVER be 13 full cycles in 1-year (383 days), further defining to us that the length of the Quran's count of the year, using full months, cannot be less than 354 or greater than 384.
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Salam,
I would like to add a comment on this 12 or 13 months issue.
The Quran is very clear in 936, that the "count of the months with God are 12 months".
This verse is what has caused a tailspin with the Sunni/Shia calendar causing them to chop-off the 13th months which used to be inserted to stabilize the year (although the Qur'an states that they were guilty of manipulation by inserting the 13th year every other year - when it should have been nearly every 3rd year).
As has been pointed out in this thread, the "month" is a full cycle of the moon - lasting 29-30 days, and is not the sighting of the crescent or the full moon.
As such, the statement in 936 becomes very clear the 12 months in 1 year are a factual statement, as there can NEVER be 13 full cycles in 1-year (383 days), further defining to us that the length of the Quran's count of the year, using full months, cannot be less than 354 or greater than 384.
Following are the Scorching Full Moon nights;
--> .. indicating the exact time of the 13th full moon in the
full moon series initiated by the Scorching Full Moon.https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2033&country=74
Jul. 05, 2001
Jun 25, 2002 --> 01
Jul. 13, 2003
Jul. 02, 2004
Jun 22, 2005 --> 02
Jul. 11, 2006
Jun 30, 2007 --> 03
Jul. 18, 2008
Jul. 07, 2009
Jun 26, 2010 --> 04
Jul. 15, 2011
Jul. 03, 2012
Jun 23, 2013 --> 05
Jul. 12, 2014
Jul. 02, 2015 --> 06
Jul. 20, 2016
Jul. 09, 2017
Jun 28, 2018 --> 07
Jul. 17, 2019
Jul. 05, 2020
Jun 25, 2021 -- >08
Jul. 13, 2022
Jul. 02, 2023
Jun 22, 2024 --> 09
Jul. 11, 2025
Jun 30, 2026 --> 10
Jul. 18, 2027
Jul. 07, 2028
Jun 26, 2029 --> 11
Jul. 15, 2030
Jul. 03, 2031
Jun 23, 2032 --> 12
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Peace Scrappy-doo,
For anyone who cares, and if God so wills, I shall be fasting July 16 for 10 days.
jedi eat peaceThe scorching full moon is on the night of July 16. So the fasting starts on the dawn of July 17 and lasts for 10 days, i.e. until July 26th.
In most places, the full-moon will appear shortly after the sun sets. Remember the following passages as you witness it
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So I do swear by the redness of dusk.
After sunset when the sky is glowing red -
And the night and what it enshrouds.
and the night enshrouds the sky from the opposite direction -
And the moon when it becomes symmetric.
from this direction the full symmetric moon appears.
Tip I believe the best way to witness this full moon is to find a spot where there?s a low horizon at the point exactly opposite the sunset, because this is where the big full moon will rise (e.g. the countryside, the beach,...). Once it climbs overhead it will shrink to a fraction of its moonrise size. If possible, try to position yourself so it rises behind some far away buildings or trees to appreciate the size difference.
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Peace Fadiva,
do you have a translation of this article ?
The chapter in the link is based on the original posts in this thread (same author). Maybe not an exact translation — the link has also some additional information/insights from discussions in this thread and others on this forum — but it is mainly an Arabic version/translation of the article (see original post).
Also, only the first three chapters of the book are available in English for now (see my signature).
Best regards.
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For the purpose of delay their must be a certain period of happening or certain events occurring, restriction is from hunt therefore period of hunt must coincides with period of restriction, which is four, and delay is to make hunt permitted one year and restricted another year. In purely lunar calendar this coincidence can never take place 'permanently' thus circumvention is evident. Ancients must have loved the hunt.
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A day is better than days and should night be better than it must be better than other nights but in no case day or night could be compare with each other or the months, as they are disparate product of cosmic luminaries. thus, in 973 "shahar" is not months.
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For the purpose of delay their must be a certain period of happening or certain events occurring, restriction is from hunt therefore period of hunt must coincides with period of restriction, which is four, and delay is to make hunt permitted one year and restricted another year. In purely lunar calendar this coincidence can never take place 'permanently' thus circumvention is evident. Ancients must have loved the hunt.
Peace Dr. Adnan,
I have been inactive for a while but saw your post today. Indeed the whole timing is all about the hunting restriction. Even fasting is about the hunting restriction and our role as good stewards of this blessed earth and all the creatures in it. From your observation, not only does the hunting restriction coincide with the inviolable 4 full moons but also the fact that the ancients used improper intercalation to violate the hunting restriction would confirm that the year starts with the inviolable 4 full moons (since intercalation happens at the end of the year).
The scorching full-moon (the first inviolable full moon) and inhumane hunting are closely connected. In the discussion of the root “RaMaD” in Lexicons one of the derivatives is “taramod” and it has the meaning of a hunter chasing prey during the time of scorching heat (“ramad”) until its legs are burned from the intensity of running in the heat and the hunter easily catches it . By killing a female wild animal in this inhumane manner as she went out searching for food for her newborns, the hunter would not just be killing her but he would also be sentencing her dependent newborns to a slow death by thirst and starvation. Instead of proper intercalation, the Arabs used to delay the first inviolable full-moon (the scorching full-moon) every other year in order to take advantage of this inhumane way of hunting to easily catch prey.
It is often believed that the purpose of fasting is to feel the suffering of the poor. However, this is clearly false since the poor are also to fast and there is no exemption for them. Passage 595 lists fasting as one of the punishments for violating the hunting restriction and specifically as a way for the hunter to “TASTE the evil result of his deed”.
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O you who have faith! do not kill game while you are restricted, and whoever among you shall kill it intentionally, the compensation is the equivalent of what he killed from the livestock, as two just persons among you shall judge, as an offering to reach the base, or the expiation by feeding the poor, or the equivalent of it in fasting so that he may taste the evil result of his deed. The god has pardoned past offenses. But whoever does it again, the god will inflict retribution on him; and the god is mighty with retribution.Fasting will make the hunter taste the evil result of his deed by experiencing thirst and hunger like his victim’s newborn animals.
The connection of fasting with animals and the hunting restriction is a reminder that humans as leaders of the earth should humanely treat creatures under our care. It is also apparent when we look at the only two passages in the Quran where the expression “magnify the god for what he guided you” occurs
- A scorching full-moon is when the reading was descended as a guidance for people and revelations from the guidance and the criterion, so whomever witnesses the full-moon, let him abstain it. And whomever was sick or traveling, a count of other days. The god wants to make it easy not hard on you. And complete the count and magnify the god for what he guided you and perhaps you would be thankful.
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YUSUFALI It is not their meat nor their blood, that reaches that reaches the god. It is your forethought that reaches him. He has thus made them subject to you, so that you magnify the god for what he has guided you and give good news to all who do right.The purpose of the fasting marked by the scorching full moon (the first inviolable full moon that signals the beginning of the hunting restriction) is to remind us to have compassion for the suffering of newborn animals who would die from thirst and hunger if a hunter kills their mother.
Those who are guided will understand how everything is connected, the timing, the restriction, fasting, our purpose in life, and the god appointing us as leaders of this earth.
Peace and blessings,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
I would like to have your opinion on this article concerning the practice of siyam as a retreat in the temples.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=8a217a9b0e845f01e1c6a696b7383fa5&topic=9610862.0
We had a discussion about laylate alqadr in 2004.
Peace
Houriya alias marie
