How do you understand fasting
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peace, it's the entire moon cycle after solstices i.e. north and south hemispheres.
2185 shahru/moon cycle ramadan (heat) the one descends in it the qur?an/recitation guidance to the humankind and clear signs from the guidance and the criterion so who shahida/witness among you l-shahra/the moon cycle falyaum'hu/so should he/said person abstain/fast it and who be illness of or on journey faiddatun/so count from days other intended the god with you the ease and not intended with you the hardship and to complete ye of l-idata/the count and to magnify ye of the god on what guide you and perhaps you thanks giving
likewise, if wrong make it up on days other (hence evens out) or feed the poor.
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/185/handschrift/163
https//i.postimg.cc/tgzRxqWN/ch2v178-185.jpg
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I haven't reached any conclusions on this topic but this is a reasonable article
http//islam-and-muslims.com/timing.htmlDoesn't mean I agree with all of it.
Ayman is right SHAHR is full moon.
One of the proofs is the fact
that in the 365-day timespan between summer solstices there are 13 "shahr"s,
such as from summer solstice 2018 to summer solstice 2019.If shahr was the whole lunar cycle lasting 29.5 days, all 13 of them would add up to 384 days
and they would not have enough room in the 365-day long time span.
They do in God's order; that is, all 13 "shahr"s have room in the 365-day time span
because they are each a full moon.Another point is that it is impossible to fast the whole 29.5-day long lunar cycle
because God says "Whoever of you witnesses the shahr shall fast it (2185);
that is, you will witness the shahr first, and you will start fasting it AFTER that.
But when you witness the so-called Ramadan crescent in the evening,
the first day of Ramadan is already gone without you fasting it.In order to cover up this fact
they claim*
that the Islamic cycle of a day begins with the setting, not the rising of the sun.But their claim is ridiculous
because the crescent rises a few minutes after the sun and voyages in the sky towards the west
but it is not Ramadan down on the earth.
God reigns in the skies but fails on the earth?
- https//abdurrahman.org/2009/09/09/the-islamic-date-hijri-date-starts-after-maghrib/
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The need of fasting comes with balancing our body cycle, since long time Humans had unknowingly seen the benefit of fasting, as it improves their surviving capabilities and strength.
The day and time are all rituals and depends on the local customs and also for the convenience of selecting a period etc.. Some people here prefer to fast completely or partially on new moon days. -
peace,
If shahr = the whole lunar cycle, then it already have number of days in it, i.e. ~29.5 days.
But the Qur’an says fast ‘ayyamn ma’doodat’(2184), and according to Qur’an, the term ‘ayyamn ma’doodat’ is used for ‘10 days’ (in 2203, Qur’an mentions ‘ayyamn ma’doodat’ for Hajj days, and from 2189 & 196 Hajj days are 10.
So fast for ‘ayyamn ma’doodat’ = fast for 10 days.And as I understood, Ramadan will not occur in Al Shahr Al Haram, because
Note bold part,
92 and 95 have to be reconciled, as discussed above, but ALSO in 93 it clearly states the announcement of treaty acquittal took place on the day of the greatest HaJJ. Now, it doesn't matter what one understands by "day of the greatest HaJJ" but the point is it was announced during a HaJJ period, meaning it is 4 months amnesty from then on.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610235.msg421590#msg421590
1)So the 4 full moons are for Hajj, since there is already sawm in Hajj,(for those who cannot find offering -2196) Ramadan(sawm) cannot occur in Hajj (Qur’an does not mentions such a condition of interpose).
2) Summer can’t be a restricted period since 981 speaks about going for fighting in the heat, (there is no fighting in Al Shahr Al Haram -2217). -
1)So the 4 full moons are for Hajj, since there is already sawm in Hajj,(for those who cannot find offering -2196) Ramadan(sawm) cannot occur in Hajj (Qur’an does not mentions such a condition of interpose).
For example 2184&185 says special cases/situations(illness, travel) for postponing the sawm in Ramadan,but it does not mentions Hajj/sawm in Hajj as a condition/situation.
(there is no fighting in Al Shahr Al Haram -2217).
Exception is there (2194,179)
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2187 It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray yourselves so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you. You may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are God's boundaries, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God makes His signs clear to the people that they may be righteous
RED now its lawfull in night to approach women.. (days of soum)
GREEN it was clear before the current law people use to sexually approach their women due to the human nature of sex hunger .
BLUE its bit tricky eat and drink(consume) ? either its general food or sex hunger in both cases do it untill the changing of sky colors..
BROWN complete the fast untill night ( do not sexually approach them untill night)
NAVY even when you are (akifoon in masjid) do not appraoch your women.. (this point need discussion)all that time the only restriction in all of the verse is to stop doing sex in day light hours ..
now lets see what is eat and drink either its food or just a idiomatic term used for enjoyment..
let say = consume/enjoy/get satisfied fully it can be anything .. food , sex, travelling, drinking wine, riding horse, living in posh houses, cloths wearing...
so you can enjoy fully anything of it and idiomatically we use this word ..
according to the context the consumption is regarding sex , so before the dawn do it like 3 4 or 5 times so that you get fully satisfied with sex hunger so finish that sex hunger until the night... rotfl brickwall (sorry guys for detailing it according to my own lens)
now sometimes the answer of your problematic points lies with in next verses... we are hunting our BLUE point right now
lets put it on test and see what next verse is saying...
2188 And do not eat your money between you unjustly by bribing the decision makers so that you may eat a part of the money of other people sinfully while you know!
the exact same root is used there for eating or consuming or enjoying or taking ....
so with respect to that the blue point is clear now.. with cross referencing of quran..
there are some parts of world where sunlight hours are long like hell its illogical to be hungrey for about 20 hours
if you are hungry your mood will get off , then you start doing trouble.
if you are hungry you try to dishonest with your duties at work.
if you are hungey its difficult to do work that required continious energy like labour work in hot desert..
lot more things..NOTE (all these are my personal understandings everybody need to verify it as per 1736)
i just highlight the point what i have with fasting such a long hours
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if you are hungry your mood will get off , then you start doing trouble.
if you are hungry you try to dishonest with your duties at work.Yes it's true that this is the effect. It's like a junkie. A slave.
No truly good person is good because they're well fed, sexually and/or emotionally fulfilled and the weather is great.Take away those things and you have the real person.
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Yes it's true that this is the effect. It's like a junkie. A slave.
No truly good person is good because they're well fed, sexually and/or emotionally fulfilled and the weather is great.Take away those things and you have the real person.
And Also we can see a true nature of person when hez in mood rotfl jk
I personally see Good people behaving weird when they are waiting for their food its first started when kids start shouting at their mom when food is delayed or husbands shouts at wives if food is non-tasty/undelicious.
Its an old habbit of human beings lol
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peace,
For those (e.g. those in polar regions) who find it difficult to fast(or for doing any other forms of worship), these verses may have the answer,
That those the angels make them die, unjust (to) themselves, they said "In what you were/have been? "They said "We were weakened in the Earth/land." They said "Was not God's Earth/land wide/spacious so you emigrate in it?" So those, their shelter/refuge (is) Hell, and it was a bad/evil end/destination.
Except the weakened from the men, and the women, and the children, they are not able (of a) solution (means) and nor they be guided a way/path.
So those, may be God that He forgives/pardons on them, and God is often forgiving, (a) forgiver.
And who emigrates in God's sake, he finds in the earth an escape, and a wealth/an abundance, and who gets out from his house emigrating to God and His messenger, then the death overtakes him, so his reward had fallen/been placed on God, and God is a forgiver, merciful.
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peace,
For those (e.g. those in polar regions) who find it difficult to fast(or for doing any other forms of worship), these verses may have the answer,
That those the angels make them die, unjust (to) themselves, they said "In what you were/have been? "They said "We were weakened in the Earth/land." They said "Was not God's Earth/land wide/spacious so you emigrate in it?" So those, their shelter/refuge (is) Hell, and it was a bad/evil end/destination.
Except the weakened from the men, and the women, and the children, they are not able (of a) solution (means) and nor they be guided a way/path.
So those, may be God that He forgives/pardons on them, and God is often forgiving, (a) forgiver.
And who emigrates in God's sake, he finds in the earth an escape, and a wealth/an abundance, and who gets out from his house emigrating to God and His messenger, then the death overtakes him, so his reward had fallen/been placed on God, and God is a forgiver, merciful.
So are you saying that God forgot to mention any exclusions while ordering fasting (if saum = fasting) and left it for us to find out how to fulfill the command in polar regions.
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perhaps its not applicable to those who didnt qualify the criteria due to whatever reason..
example people in ISS (international space station).
funny POINT to ponder, its really impossible to do SEX in space station due to gravity lmao.... rotfl
and if you go for fasting from FOOD & DRINK then its only like one hour fast and more than 15 fasts in a day.people in polar regions where they can have (long nights/permanent dark) lasting for months. so they are chilling there..
these type of situations i guess thats why author of QURAN say whoever witness the shahr-e-ramadhan.
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Salaam Brother Mazhar
Therefore, if he who reaching adulthood among you was present at home in this month, thereat, he should observe it by fasting.
so who
witnessed
among you
the month
then let him fast itAllah the Exalted intends easiness for you people ?
And He the Exalted never intends difficulty-awkwardness for you ?
It is "bi kum" in the verse which means "with you".
It is not "la kum" in the verse which would mean "for you".And that you might proclaim and praise the Sublime grandeur of Allah the Mightiest upon your getting aright guided (by adhering to Qur?n) ?
How one can proclaim and praise the Sublime grandeur of Allah the Mightiest upon your getting aright guided by not eating, drinking or having sex?
.2185
And so that you people might keep expressing gratitude.
Both the sentences are conditional --- the opposite of a person on journey is the person who is at home.
And using your logic what is the opposite of "sick" in the verse?
Interestingly the basic perception of Root
bn Faris stated
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.That it leads to the perception of abstinence, and stasis - stagnancy at home.
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Fasting is the act and state of abstinence of activity relating to food intake and genitalia and speech.
What does means as used in the Quran, for example
2231 .........
Or
7170
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peace,
And as I understood, Ramadan will not occur in Al Shahr Al Haram, because
Note bold part,https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610235.msg421590#msg421590
1)So the 4 full moons are for Hajj, since there is already sawm in Hajj,(for those who cannot find offering -2196) Ramadan(sawm) cannot occur in Hajj (Qur’an does not mentions such a condition of interpose).
That's an interesting observation.
I think you may be onto something. I will think this over.
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Salam/Peace everyone. I have found 3 videos about Ramadan
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXvBSB7o_-Q
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvuVsqqP_lw
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPjv5w4eVBg
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Salaam Brother Mazhar
so who
witnessed
among you
the month
then let him fast itIt is "bi kum" in the verse which means "with you".
It is not "la kum" in the verse which would mean "for you".How one can proclaim and praise the Sublime grandeur of Allah the Mightiest upon your getting aright guided by not eating, drinking or having sex?
And using your logic what is the opposite of "sick" in the verse?
What does means as used in the Quran, for example
2231 .........
Or
7170
witness
/wtns/
verb
past tense witnessed; past participle witnessed
1.
see (an event, typically a crime or accident) happen.
"staff who witnessed the murder"
synonyms see, observe, watch, look on at, be a witness to, view, note, notice, spot; More
2.
have knowledge of (a development) from observation or experience.
"what we are witnessing is the birth of a new political entity"But the second consonant has Kasra, the verb is from inf. n. ,
Lane's Lexicon
He was, or became, present at it, or in it; (S, A, Mgh, L, Msb, * K namely, a place, (Mgh,) or an assembly. (Msb.) Hence the saying, (Msb,) , in the Kur , Therefore whosoever of you shall be present in the month, and stationary, not journeying, he shall fast therein (Mgh, Msb) as long as he shall remain present and stationary -
witness
/wtns/
verb
past tense witnessed; past participle witnessed
1.
see (an event, typically a crime or accident) happen.
"staff who witnessed the murder"
synonyms see, observe, watch, look on at, be a witness to, view, note, notice, spot; More
2.
have knowledge of (a development) from observation or experience.
"what we are witnessing is the birth of a new political entity"But the second consonant has Kasra, the verb is from inf. n. ,
Lane's Lexicon
He was, or became, present at it, or in it; (S, A, Mgh, L, Msb, * K namely, a place, (Mgh,) or an assembly. (Msb.) Hence the saying, (Msb,) , in the Kur , Therefore whosoever of you shall be present in the month, and stationary, not journeying, he shall fast therein (Mgh, Msb) as long as he shall remain present and stationaryYes Mazhar I know what Lane reported from canonized meanings but I stick to the root meanings of a word. I gave you a simple translation for comparison with your loaded translation.
