How do you understand fasting
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1)So the 4 full moons are for Hajj, since there is already sawm in Hajj,(for those who cannot find offering -2196) Ramadan(sawm) cannot occur in Hajj (Qur’an does not mentions such a condition of interpose).
For example 2184&185 says special cases/situations(illness, travel) for postponing the sawm in Ramadan,but it does not mentions Hajj/sawm in Hajj as a condition/situation.
(there is no fighting in Al Shahr Al Haram -2217).
Exception is there (2194,179)
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2187 It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray yourselves so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you. You may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are God's boundaries, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God makes His signs clear to the people that they may be righteous
RED now its lawfull in night to approach women.. (days of soum)
GREEN it was clear before the current law people use to sexually approach their women due to the human nature of sex hunger .
BLUE its bit tricky eat and drink(consume) ? either its general food or sex hunger in both cases do it untill the changing of sky colors..
BROWN complete the fast untill night ( do not sexually approach them untill night)
NAVY even when you are (akifoon in masjid) do not appraoch your women.. (this point need discussion)all that time the only restriction in all of the verse is to stop doing sex in day light hours ..
now lets see what is eat and drink either its food or just a idiomatic term used for enjoyment..
let say = consume/enjoy/get satisfied fully it can be anything .. food , sex, travelling, drinking wine, riding horse, living in posh houses, cloths wearing...
so you can enjoy fully anything of it and idiomatically we use this word ..
according to the context the consumption is regarding sex , so before the dawn do it like 3 4 or 5 times so that you get fully satisfied with sex hunger so finish that sex hunger until the night... rotfl brickwall (sorry guys for detailing it according to my own lens)
now sometimes the answer of your problematic points lies with in next verses... we are hunting our BLUE point right now
lets put it on test and see what next verse is saying...
2188 And do not eat your money between you unjustly by bribing the decision makers so that you may eat a part of the money of other people sinfully while you know!
the exact same root is used there for eating or consuming or enjoying or taking ....
so with respect to that the blue point is clear now.. with cross referencing of quran..
there are some parts of world where sunlight hours are long like hell its illogical to be hungrey for about 20 hours
if you are hungry your mood will get off , then you start doing trouble.
if you are hungry you try to dishonest with your duties at work.
if you are hungey its difficult to do work that required continious energy like labour work in hot desert..
lot more things..NOTE (all these are my personal understandings everybody need to verify it as per 1736)
i just highlight the point what i have with fasting such a long hours
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if you are hungry your mood will get off , then you start doing trouble.
if you are hungry you try to dishonest with your duties at work.Yes it's true that this is the effect. It's like a junkie. A slave.
No truly good person is good because they're well fed, sexually and/or emotionally fulfilled and the weather is great.Take away those things and you have the real person.
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Yes it's true that this is the effect. It's like a junkie. A slave.
No truly good person is good because they're well fed, sexually and/or emotionally fulfilled and the weather is great.Take away those things and you have the real person.
And Also we can see a true nature of person when hez in mood rotfl jk
I personally see Good people behaving weird when they are waiting for their food its first started when kids start shouting at their mom when food is delayed or husbands shouts at wives if food is non-tasty/undelicious.
Its an old habbit of human beings lol
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peace,
For those (e.g. those in polar regions) who find it difficult to fast(or for doing any other forms of worship), these verses may have the answer,
That those the angels make them die, unjust (to) themselves, they said "In what you were/have been? "They said "We were weakened in the Earth/land." They said "Was not God's Earth/land wide/spacious so you emigrate in it?" So those, their shelter/refuge (is) Hell, and it was a bad/evil end/destination.
Except the weakened from the men, and the women, and the children, they are not able (of a) solution (means) and nor they be guided a way/path.
So those, may be God that He forgives/pardons on them, and God is often forgiving, (a) forgiver.
And who emigrates in God's sake, he finds in the earth an escape, and a wealth/an abundance, and who gets out from his house emigrating to God and His messenger, then the death overtakes him, so his reward had fallen/been placed on God, and God is a forgiver, merciful.
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peace,
For those (e.g. those in polar regions) who find it difficult to fast(or for doing any other forms of worship), these verses may have the answer,
That those the angels make them die, unjust (to) themselves, they said "In what you were/have been? "They said "We were weakened in the Earth/land." They said "Was not God's Earth/land wide/spacious so you emigrate in it?" So those, their shelter/refuge (is) Hell, and it was a bad/evil end/destination.
Except the weakened from the men, and the women, and the children, they are not able (of a) solution (means) and nor they be guided a way/path.
So those, may be God that He forgives/pardons on them, and God is often forgiving, (a) forgiver.
And who emigrates in God's sake, he finds in the earth an escape, and a wealth/an abundance, and who gets out from his house emigrating to God and His messenger, then the death overtakes him, so his reward had fallen/been placed on God, and God is a forgiver, merciful.
So are you saying that God forgot to mention any exclusions while ordering fasting (if saum = fasting) and left it for us to find out how to fulfill the command in polar regions.
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perhaps its not applicable to those who didnt qualify the criteria due to whatever reason..
example people in ISS (international space station).
funny POINT to ponder, its really impossible to do SEX in space station due to gravity lmao.... rotfl
and if you go for fasting from FOOD & DRINK then its only like one hour fast and more than 15 fasts in a day.people in polar regions where they can have (long nights/permanent dark) lasting for months. so they are chilling there..
these type of situations i guess thats why author of QURAN say whoever witness the shahr-e-ramadhan.
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Salaam Brother Mazhar
Therefore, if he who reaching adulthood among you was present at home in this month, thereat, he should observe it by fasting.
so who
witnessed
among you
the month
then let him fast itAllah the Exalted intends easiness for you people ?
And He the Exalted never intends difficulty-awkwardness for you ?
It is "bi kum" in the verse which means "with you".
It is not "la kum" in the verse which would mean "for you".And that you might proclaim and praise the Sublime grandeur of Allah the Mightiest upon your getting aright guided (by adhering to Qur?n) ?
How one can proclaim and praise the Sublime grandeur of Allah the Mightiest upon your getting aright guided by not eating, drinking or having sex?
.2185
And so that you people might keep expressing gratitude.
Both the sentences are conditional --- the opposite of a person on journey is the person who is at home.
And using your logic what is the opposite of "sick" in the verse?
Interestingly the basic perception of Root
bn Faris stated
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.That it leads to the perception of abstinence, and stasis - stagnancy at home.
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Fasting is the act and state of abstinence of activity relating to food intake and genitalia and speech.
What does means as used in the Quran, for example
2231 .........
Or
7170
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peace,
And as I understood, Ramadan will not occur in Al Shahr Al Haram, because
Note bold part,https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610235.msg421590#msg421590
1)So the 4 full moons are for Hajj, since there is already sawm in Hajj,(for those who cannot find offering -2196) Ramadan(sawm) cannot occur in Hajj (Qur’an does not mentions such a condition of interpose).
That's an interesting observation.
I think you may be onto something. I will think this over.
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Salam/Peace everyone. I have found 3 videos about Ramadan
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXvBSB7o_-Q
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvuVsqqP_lw
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPjv5w4eVBg
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Salaam Brother Mazhar
so who
witnessed
among you
the month
then let him fast itIt is "bi kum" in the verse which means "with you".
It is not "la kum" in the verse which would mean "for you".How one can proclaim and praise the Sublime grandeur of Allah the Mightiest upon your getting aright guided by not eating, drinking or having sex?
And using your logic what is the opposite of "sick" in the verse?
What does means as used in the Quran, for example
2231 .........
Or
7170
witness
/wtns/
verb
past tense witnessed; past participle witnessed
1.
see (an event, typically a crime or accident) happen.
"staff who witnessed the murder"
synonyms see, observe, watch, look on at, be a witness to, view, note, notice, spot; More
2.
have knowledge of (a development) from observation or experience.
"what we are witnessing is the birth of a new political entity"But the second consonant has Kasra, the verb is from inf. n. ,
Lane's Lexicon
He was, or became, present at it, or in it; (S, A, Mgh, L, Msb, * K namely, a place, (Mgh,) or an assembly. (Msb.) Hence the saying, (Msb,) , in the Kur , Therefore whosoever of you shall be present in the month, and stationary, not journeying, he shall fast therein (Mgh, Msb) as long as he shall remain present and stationary -
witness
/wtns/
verb
past tense witnessed; past participle witnessed
1.
see (an event, typically a crime or accident) happen.
"staff who witnessed the murder"
synonyms see, observe, watch, look on at, be a witness to, view, note, notice, spot; More
2.
have knowledge of (a development) from observation or experience.
"what we are witnessing is the birth of a new political entity"But the second consonant has Kasra, the verb is from inf. n. ,
Lane's Lexicon
He was, or became, present at it, or in it; (S, A, Mgh, L, Msb, * K namely, a place, (Mgh,) or an assembly. (Msb.) Hence the saying, (Msb,) , in the Kur , Therefore whosoever of you shall be present in the month, and stationary, not journeying, he shall fast therein (Mgh, Msb) as long as he shall remain present and stationaryYes Mazhar I know what Lane reported from canonized meanings but I stick to the root meanings of a word. I gave you a simple translation for comparison with your loaded translation.
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Yes Mazhar I know what Lane reported from canonized meanings but I stick to the root meanings of a word. I gave you a simple translation for comparison with your loaded translation.
It is naive to call that a translation,. Translation does not mean meanings of individual words.
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Yes Mazhar I know what Lane reported from canonized meanings but I stick to the root meanings of a word. I gave you a simple translation for comparison with your loaded translation.
It is the first and basic meanings
Ibn Faris stated
( ةThat it leads to the perception of presence, witnessing and knowledge and its notifying, telling. And it signifies evidence, eye witness. testimony.
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It is the first and basic meanings
Ibn Faris stated
( ةThat it leads to the perception of presence, witnessing and knowledge and its notifying, telling. And it signifies evidence, eye witness. testimony.
How does this basic meanings contradicts with "shahida"= He witnessed given in my translation?
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I think translation is meaning of words. Are you mixing translation with interpretation.
Considering the meanings and purpose of translation we can say that all reading is in fact translation and interpretation. A native reading the text of his language is in fact transferring the meanings, perception and the message contained therein to his memory where it is written in a form different than the form of language he watched on paper. Mere memorization of the text is not translation but is transcription in the meanings of writing out or lodging an exact copy of something in memory. Storage of longer text in long term or procedural memory and its retrieval is perhaps best achieved through mechanism of rehearsal.
Since the source language Arabic is Semitic while target Language English is Germanic, the Metaphrase involving "word by word" and "line by line" translation would in fact be no translation because intent of the text will not be clearly perceivable.
Another concept that collocates with translation is interpretation. It is defined as transference of meaning of spoken and heard words in the language of second person. The difference between the two is of real time versus delayed. Interpreting occurs in real time. It happens in person. An interpreter transfers the meanings in both directions, on the spot, without any reference material. Interpreter is thus fluent in both the languages.
Translation is a delayed activity because it takes place long after a text is created. It gives the translator time to access resources, like lexicons, glossaries, grammar books, and these days Google to access any subject. Therefore, it is obviously an easier and less taxing task than the job of an interpreter.
The physical and sensory modalities of speech and writing are distinct. They are distinctly different as the physical processes of speaking and writing. Similarly the physical and sensory modalities of interpretation and translation are different. For interpretation, sound - voice is the medium and the organ used is ears while in translation the first medium is the vision through the organ of eyes.
In real world experience the end product of both is communication. Both aim at explanation or establishment of the meaning or significance of something stated orally or in writing. It is also the case when the speaker and listener, and author and the reader, have the same language. The listener and reader interprets the spoken and written words of his own language and saves as perception what he thought or comprehended the speaker or writer intended to convey him.
Except being one directional, the translation is in fact interpretation. For translation the first requirement is the skill for reading. Reading involves translating text into sounds or spoken words. And comprehension involves deriving meanings from those sounds.
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