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    Noon_waalqalami
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    like under patronage person (in common parlance adopted son).

    peace, only if in behest/will ...

    334 and not made adiyaakum/adopted sons yours sons yours such yours speech yours with mouths yours and the god speaketh the truth and he guided the path

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      peace, only if in behest/will ...

      334 وما and not جعل made ادعىكم adiyaakum/adopted sons yours ابناكم sons yours ذلكم such yours قولكم speech yours بافواهكم with mouths yours والله and the god ىقول speaketh الحق the truth وهو and he ىهدى guided السبىل the path

      Salam,

      Yes,

      1. Prepositional Phrase لِـكُـلّٛ relates to the following Verb. It is always used in construct-possessive phrase. When used elliptically-extremely concise in writing, it always has the "nunation of compensation" as is the case here. The discourse and the sentence is about allocation of Inheritance, thereby, it manifests that "nunation of compensation" is for each one of the deceased. The object of verb مَوَٟلِـىَ suffices for indicating that it relates to all the deceased and includes the martyrs. كُـلّ It means each, every denoting no exception. This promulgation in irself is prohibitory that the inheritance be given wholly to two persons. The inheritors must be three or above.
        وَٱلَّذِينَ عَقَدَتْ أَيْمَٟنُكُـمْ فَـٔ​َاتُوهُـمْ نَصِيبَـهُـمْۚ
        Take note about those whom your right hand had pledged responsibility, therefore, you people grant them their fortune in the inheritance.
      2. Who are they and weather they can be included in the مَوَٟلِـىَ not being in real terms kinsfolk-blood relations? The adopted sons are so declared by Allah the Exalted
        ٱدْعُوهُـمْ لِءَابَآئِـهِـمْ هُوَ أَقْسَطُ عِندَ ٱللَّهِۚ
        You people are hereby directed to call them (adopted youngsters) by their respective Fathers. This is most appropriate and balanced conduct in the judgment of Allah the Exalted.
        فَإِن لَّمْ تَعْلَمُوٓا۟ ءَابَآءَهُـمْ فَإِخوَٟنُكُـمْ فِـى ٱلدِّينِ وَمَوَٟلِيكُـمْۚ
        However, if you knew not the Fathers of them, thereby, they are your brothers in the Prescribed Code and Physical Procedure ; And they are your Beneficiaries.
        وَلَيْسَ عَلَيْكُـمْ جُنَاحٚ فِيـمَآ أَخْطَأْتُـم بِهِۦ وَلَـٰكِن مَّا تَعَمَّدَتْ قُلُوبُكُـمْۚ
        And there is no cause of embarrassment and disconcert for you people regarding what you erred in the past in this matter; but that is blameworthy which your hearts purposely did.
        وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورٙا رَّحِـيـمٙا
        Know it; Allah the Exalted is repeatedly Overlooking-Forgiving, the Merciful.
      3. The مَوَٟلِـىَ kinsfolk are the ٱلْوَٟرِثِيـنَ inheritors and a solitary son is included in them
        وَإِ نِّـى خِفْتُ ٱلۡمَوَ ٰ⁠لِیَ مِن وَرَآءِى
        And I have felt apprehensive of kinsfolk in situation after me �
        وَكَانَتِ ٱمْرَأَتِـى عَاقِرٙا
        And my wife has been infertile �
        فَهَبْ لِـى مِن لَّدُنْكَ وَلِيّٙا
        Therefore, You do give me from Your grace an associate (son) �
        يَرِثُنِى وَيَرِثُ مِنْ ءَالِ يَعْقُوبَۖ
        He will inherit me and he will inherit from the family of Ya'qoob �

      وَٱجْعَلْهُ رَبِّ رَضِيّٙا
      And do render him; my Sustainer Lord, a pleasing personality."

      1. It is thus rendered abundantly explicit that only the مَوَٟلِـىَ kinsfolk are the ٱلْوَٟرِثِيـنَ legal inheritors.
        Whatever of economic value that passes on at the death of previous holder to the heirs is referred by ٱلتُّـرَاثَ heritage, and by verbal noun مِیرَ ٰ⁠ثُ heritage, escheat (ultimate proprietorship).
        The مَوَٟلِـىَ kinsfolk are the ٱلْوَٟرِثِيـنَ inheritors and both are two-way relational words.
        The heritage is described by sentence مِمَّا تَرَكَ ٱلْوَٟلِدَانِ وَٱلۡأَقْرَبُونَ out of that which the parents and the nearer-relatives have left. The object of verb is elided for succinctness and for being obviously understood heritage.
        Related Root ت ر ك signifies giving up, desertion, abandonment of a thing. An agent leaves behind estate which becomes another's property. The fortunes accruing to various members of the bereaved family could fluctuate depending upon the number of offspring and blood relatives existing at the time of death of a person leaving heritage.
        لِّلـرِّجَالِ نَصيِبٚ مِّمَّا تَرَكَ ٱلْوَٟلِدَانِ وَٱلۡأَقْرَبُونَ
        Share is apportioned for the Men partially from the inheritance left by the Parents (Mother and Father) and the relatively Nearer Relatives.

      وَلِلنِّسَآءِ نَصِيبٚ مِّمَّا تَرَكَ ٱلْوَٟلِدَانِ وَٱلۡأَقْرَبُونَ
      And share is apportioned for the Women partially from the inheritance left by the Parents (Mother and Father) and the relatively Nearer Relatives.
      مِمَّا قَلَّ مِنْهُ أَوْ كَثُرَۚ نَصِيبٙا مَّفْرُوضٙا
      This share is out of that which has either become diminutive from that-inheritance or has become greater fortune apportioned.
      9. The Verbal Sentence قَلّ is the Relative Clause for the preceding Relative Pronoun. The Verb is Perfect; Third person; Singular; Masculine; Intransitive; and Subject pronoun is hidden linking back to the Relative Pronoun. It is derived from مصدر-قِلَّة Verbal noun. It signifies that its Subject has become in diminutive proportion. After Appositive-coordinating conjunction for alternative option is the Verb كَثُرَ denoting something having become in abundance or large proportion.

      1. The wealth moveable and immovable assets have become fascinatingly attractive for sensual excitements and gratifications for the majority of people
        زُيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ حُبُّ ٱلشَّهَوَٟتِ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ
        Know it; the love of erotic predilections - stimulators has become alluring for the people (Men), fetish from the women;
        وَٱلْبَنِيـنَ
        And liking for having sons has become a longing for people.
        وَٱلْقَنَٟطِيـرِ ٱلْمُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ ٱلذَّهَبِ وَٱلْفِضَّةِ
        So has become the desire to have a state of hoarded abundance of Gold and Silver —

      وَٱلْخَيْلِ ٱلْمُسَوَّمَةِ وَٱلۡأَنْعَٟمِ وَٱلْحَرْثِۗ
      And the marked-pedigree horses , and abundance of herbivore-mammals, and for plenty of harvesting lands.
      ذَٟلِكَ مَتَٟعُ ٱلْحَـيَوٰةِ ٱلدُّنْيَاۖ
      This is the wealth-sustenance-provision of the transitory worldly life.
      وَٱللَّهُ عِندَهُۥ حُسْنُ ٱلْمَـٔ​َابِ
      Mind it that Allah the Exalted grants the most appropriate return and abode by His Grace.
      11. This being the ground reality, mere laws and regulations to implement justice in all respects in the case of inheritance and other economic problems is quite a difficult proposition for majority of human beings. Therefore, Allah the Exalted encourages creating a situation wherein justice can be established in such matters by heightening the moral consciousness of man and showing of mercy and kindness to those undergoing tribulations.

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        Earlier the Arabic text was appearing. Now it seems, some fault in the software of forum that Arabic text is missing.

        However, the complete article can be read here and input, critique can be discussed by reference to any point, para.

        http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

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          peace, one of the oldest manuscripts dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)

          Gotthelf Bergstr??er Archive Cairo, National Library qf 47
          https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73

          Berlin, State Library ms.or.fol. 4313 (i.e. same manuscript)
          https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73

          https//i.postimg.cc/Ssmjg41C/ch4v11-15.jpg

          https//i.postimg.cc/dQZ0cvL2/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg

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            Allah the Exalted has allocated inalienable shares for the bereaved relatives in the most simple method by categorizing the deceased in three mutually exclusive types

            (i) Parents (Biological father and mother) leaving behind one daughter, or two daughters and son, or many daughters, daughter and son/sons, or more than one son. Parents leaving behind only one son are not in this category.

            (ii) Deceased leaving behind alive parents, both mother and father; one son and spouse (wife/wives or husband). Or deceased leaving behind only parents (father and mother) and spouse, but without one son to grieve.

            (iii) Deceased (man or woman) leaving behind only single alive parent or no parent, and no spouse, but leaving one son to grieve him. Or deceased leaving behind only single alive parent or no parent, no spouse, no son but leaving behind to grieve him one sister, or two sisters, or sister/s and brothers.

            All the three deceased are distinct and exclude one and another. We will not find any other type of deceased in the world.

            http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

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              http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

              quote from site "It signifies a son; translating it as "child" is erroneous it refers to human off-spring"

              peace, above has numerous contradictions on inheritance and throughout the book, see example in context...

              6100-101 وجعلوا and make they of لله to god شركا associates of الجن the jinn وخلقهم and creation them وخرقوا and attribute they of له to him بنىن banīna/sons وبنات wabanātin/and daughters بغىر in other than علم knowledge سبحنه glorified be he وتعالى and exalted he عما of what ىصفون attributing بدىع originator السموت the skies والارض and the land انى how ىكون being له to him ولد waladun/offspring (son erroneous! does not exclude having daughter!) ولم and not تكن it be له to him صاحبه companion his وخلق and creation كل every شى thing وهو and he بكل in every شى thing علىم knower

              411 فى in/concerning اولدكم awlādikum/children yours

              thread is about correct allocation e.g. try with "son"
              spouse, parents, and daughters guaranteed failure!

              5/6 = 1/3 mother (411) + 1/2 husband (412)
              1/6 left to father and daughters? (unsolvable!)

              7/12 = 1/3 mother (411) + 1/4 wife (412)
              5/12 left to father and daughters? (unsolvable!)

              https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/6/vers/100?handschrift=281
              one of the oldest manuscripts (University of Birmingham) Islamic Arabic 1572
              carboned dated 568-645 CE, (95.4%)

              https//i.postimg.cc/C1zjjpGG/ch6v97-110.jpg

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                quote from site "It signifies a son; translating it as "child" is erroneous it refers to human off-spring"

                peace, above has numerous contradictions on inheritance and throughout the book, see example in context...

                http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.083/14.gif Noun Indefinite; singular; masculine; nominative. It is the subject noun of deficient perfect verb. It signifies a son; translating it as "child" is erroneous it refers to human off-spring a son or daughter of human parents. It signifies a real son; translating it as "child" is erroneous because word child refers to a son or daughter of human parents.

                This signifies that Allah the Exalted has inalienably apportioned One-Sixth out of heritage each for the living Mother and Father left by their deceased son if the deceased had a solitary son.

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                  Part-IV Inheritance from deceased son to parents.

                  1. We have hitherto read initial part of Ayah 411 which is about the Mandatory allocation of fraction of heritage and its distribution between children of a Father or Mother who died leaving behind his or her Bequest, notwithstanding what statement of distribution of wealth it contained. It stands superseded in timeline to the extent as Allah the Exalted has inalienably allocated.

                  2. There can be a situation altogether different from the above. The Married Son of a surviving Mother and Father dies. His Father and Mother may or may not still be mutually husband and wife at the time of death of their son. They might have even separated during the life of their died Son. The Married Son of the Surviving Mother and Father may or may not have bereaved his own son

                  http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/4.11p.gif

                  Take note; One-sixth of that which he (the deceased son) has left behind is allocated separately for each of his bereaved Father and Mother. This direction is to take effect if solitary son is surviving for him (the deceased son of living parents).

                  1. Please note the turn in the discourse. Here the deceased person is a married Son (or daughter) of a living Mother and Father.

                  2. Let us first syntactically analyse the first sentence

                  http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Individual%20Ayaat/004.%20An%20Nisa/11%20f.gif

                  It is a Prepositional Phrase coupled with Possessive Phrase. It relates to the fronted elided predicate, which can be a verb or verbal noun, which is evidently understood by the preposition. Preposition denotes "for" indicating that something is directed at somebody, done to benefit somebody. Its object noun is definite by construct as the possessive pronoun is definite. The suffixed third person singular personal pronoun has no explicit antecedent for reference. A pronoun refers to one, clear, unmistakable antecedent noun. But it is explicit in the sentence as to who is referred by it, the person who has died leaving behind heritage and bereaved parents and a son. Succinctness in Qur?n has no parallel; a sentence of equal length is economized by inverting the sentence having a pronoun in the Subject that refers to person in the Predicate, which has no explicit antecedent. If the deceased was married daughter, this will mutatis mutandis apply.

                  http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

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                    http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.083/14.gif Noun Indefinite; singular; masculine; nominative. It is the subject noun of deficient perfect verb. It signifies a son; translating it as "child" is erroneous it refers to human off-spring a son or daughter of human parents. It signifies a real son; translating it as "child" is erroneous because word child refers to a son or daughter of human parents.

                    This signifies that Allah the Exalted has inalienably apportioned One-Sixth out of heritage each for the living Mother and Father left by their deceased son if the deceased had a solitary son.

                    peace -- please open different thread on the meaning of ولد waladun/offspring/child not son!

                    again, read "in context" 6100-101 it is a clear contradiction to say it means "son" -- which is absurd!

                    it was asked of you to distribute spouse, parents, and daughters -- you cannot with "son" (unsolvable!)
                    again, asking you to distribute cases with no "son" erroneously translated by you which you can never solve!

                    411 فان so if لم not ىكن beeth له for him ولد offspring/child
                    412 ولكم and for you نصف half (1/2) ما what ترك left ازوجكم spouses yours ان if لم not ىكن beeth لهن for them (f/p) ولد offspring/child
                    412 ولهن and for them الربع the fourth (1/4) مما from what تركتم left you ان if لم not ىكن beeth لكم for you ولد offspring/child

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                      peace -- please open different thread on the meaning of ولد waladun/offspring/child not son!

                      again, read "in context" 6100-101 it is a clear contradiction to say it means "son" -- which is absurd!

                      it was asked of you to distribute spouse, parents, and daughters -- you cannot with "son" (unsolvable!)
                      again, asking you to distribute cases with no "son" erroneously translated by you which you can never solve!

                      411 فان so if لم not ىكن beeth له for him ولد offspring/child
                      412 ولكم and for you نصف half (1/2) ما what ترك left ازوجكم spouses yours ان if لم not ىكن beeth لهن for them (f/p) ولد offspring/child
                      412 ولهن and for them الربع the fourth (1/4) مما from what تركتم left you ان if لم not ىكن beeth لكم for you ولد offspring/child

                      How could a son take existence for Him the Exalted while no consort has yet been alleged associated for Him the Exalted?

                      Verb is singular masculine and its Noun is singular masculine.

                      She (Mar'yam) interrupting their talk, reacted saying "O my Sustainer Lord! How would a son take birth for me in the circumstances when no man has touched me?"

                      However, if there were not a son surviving for him and his Father and Mother have inherited him, thereby, the One-Third is apportioned for his Mother.

                      Infinitely Glorious is He the Exalted that His recognition and approval is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted is above weakness that presence of a son might be a need for Him the Exalted.

                      You the Messenger pronounce "If there had been a son for Ar'Reh'maan the Exalted?

                      .4381

                      Thereby, I would have been the First of the allegiants?

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                        أَنَّـىٰ يَكُونُ لَهُۥ وَلَـدٚ وَلَمْ تَكُنْ لَّهُۥ صَٟحِبَةٚۖ

                        How could a son take existence for Him the Exalted while no consort has yet been alleged associated for Him the Exalted?

                        again, contradicts the verse prior! "read in context" or post 6100?
                        6100-101 clear contradiction; does not rule out having daughters!

                        again, topic is on inheritance distributions in all cases can only have one unknown/variable.
                        again, apply erroneous meaning if no "son" to all cases you cannot solve simple stuff like

                        father + daughter - now have two unknowns/variables which you cannot solve!

                        basic logic IF "no son" THEN doesn't rule out having daughter/s! Try to solve it!

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                          again, contradicts the verse prior! "read in context" or post 6100?
                          6100-101 clear contradiction; does not rule out having daughters!

                          again, topic is on inheritance distributions in all cases can only have one unknown/variable.
                          again, apply erroneous meaning if no "son" to all cases you cannot solve simple stuff like

                          father + daughter - now have two unknowns/variables which you cannot solve!

                          basic logic IF "no son" THEN doesn't rule out having daughter/s! Try to solve it!

                          Context can never convert a masculine noun into feminine and a feminine into masculine.

                          Check all the dictionaries of the world you will find it singular masculine.

                          However, you invent a new dictionary, that cant be checked.

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                            Context can never convert a masculine noun into feminine and a feminine into masculine.

                            Check all the dictionaries of the world you will find it singular masculine.

                            However, you invent a new dictionary, that cant be checked.

                            my dear Mazhar that's pointless! again, distribute shares with daughter/s which you cannot!

                            father + daughter/s
                            mother + daughter/s
                            wife + daughter/s
                            husband + daughter/s

                            any and all combinations above which you cannot!

                            likewise translate 6100-101 "in context" and you refused!
                            likewise translate 2233 to see it means "child" NOT "son!"

                            ib'na/son!
                            waladun/offspring/child!

                            2233
                            and the mothers breastfeed they اولدهن awlādahunna/children theirs

                            بولدها biwaladihā/in (due to) child hers
                            بولده biwaladihi/in (due to) child his

                            that another breastfeed they of اولدكم awlādakum/children yours

                            peace!

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                              my dear Mazhar that's pointless! again, distribute shares with daughter/s which you cannot!

                              father + daughter/s
                              mother + daughter/s
                              wife + daughter/s
                              husband + daughter/s

                              any and all combinations above which you cannot!

                              likewise translate 6100-101 "in context" and you refused!
                              likewise translate 2233 to see it means "child" NOT "son!"

                              ib'na/son!
                              waladun/offspring/child!

                              2233
                              and the mothers breastfeed they اولدهن awlādahunna/children theirs

                              بولدها biwaladihā/in (due to) child hers
                              بولده biwaladihi/in (due to) child his

                              that another breastfeed they of اولدكم awlādakum/children yours

                              peace!

                              Brother, you are not interested into looking the scheme given by Allah the Exalted.

                              Allah the Exalted has specifically covered such situations which are pregnant for abuse of man-dominance and injustice. In such situations, Allah the Exalted has exercised the Authority and Will to demarcate certain parts of the Inheritance, and permanently allocating it to specific relatives in preference to others. The old simple method of dividing into equal shares is adopted like equal parts into which a company's capital is divided these days. The unique feature of law of inheritance promulgated in Grand Qur?n is that Mankind's ever cherished notion of absolute preference to male offspring is inverted by declaring daughter/s, not son/s, the focus and theme of Inheritance.

                              Allah the Exalted has allocated inalienable shares for the bereaved relatives in the most simple method by categorizing the deceased in three mutually exclusive types

                              (i) Parents (Biological father and mother) leaving behind one daughter, or two daughters and son, or many daughters, daughter and son/sons, or more than one son. Parents leaving behind only one son are not in this category.

                              (ii) Deceased leaving behind alive parents, both mother and father; one son and spouse (wife/wives or husband). Or deceased leaving behind only parents (father and mother) and spouse, but without one son to grieve.

                              (iii) Deceased (man or woman) leaving behind only single alive parent or no parent, and no spouse, but leaving one son to grieve him. Or deceased leaving behind only single alive parent or no parent, no spouse, no son but leaving behind to grieve him one sister, or two sisters, or sister/s and brothers.

                              All the three deceased are distinct and exclude one and another. We will not find any other type of deceased in the world.

                              http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

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                                ^^^ until you figure out simple difference between ib'na/son and walad/offspring
                                likewise, to allocate parents and daughters should really stay away from this topic

                                want to bump summary for benefit of others perusing thread ...

                                Cairo, National Library qāf 47 one of oldest manuscripts 606-652 CE (95.4%)
                                https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73

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                                Berlin, State Library ms.or.fol. 4313 (i.e. same manuscript) 606-652 CE (95.4%)
                                https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73

                                https//i.postimg.cc/qMtznSPs/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg

                                https//i.postimg.cc/dQZ0cvL2/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg

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                                  Mazhar
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                                  ^^^ until you figure out simple difference between ib'na/son and walad/offspring

                                  Know it, the ruling elite-clergy of Jews told people "Uzair is the son of Allah";

                                  And the Nisara Christians said "Al Mesiho-Jesus is the son of Allah."

                                  ...

                                  Be aware that they had said; "Allah has purposely adopted Uzair/Al Mesiho-Jesus as a son".

                                  Please forget not that the verb is doubly transitive. One object is elided since already known in earlier quote.

                                  For evidence - cross check

                                  And he who had bought him (child-Yu'suf) from the market in the City Misr said to his wife imperatively

                                  "You make his permanent stay dignified; may be he becomes profitable for us or we might affectionately adopt him as son."

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                                    Noon_waalqalami
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                                    عُزَيْرٌ ٱبْنُ ٱللَّهِ

                                    Know it, the ruling elite-clergy of Jews told people "Uzair is the son of Allah";

                                    أَكْرِمِى مَثْوَىٰهُ عَسَىٰٓ أَن يَنفَعَنَآ أَوْ نَتَّخِذَهُۥ وَلَـدٙاۚ

                                    "You make his permanent stay dignified; may be he becomes profitable for us or we might affectionately adopt him as son."

                                    you're getting more absurd with each post; how many different words are you translating as son!
                                    now be sincere don't run away from questions asked of you -- translate 2233 consistently as son?

                                    2233
                                    biwaladihā/in (due to) offspring/child (masculine noun) hers
                                    biwaladihi/in (due to) offspring/child (masculine noun) his

                                    likewise it was asked of you to simply allocate to parent and daughters -- you ran!

                                    likewise it was asked of you to translate 6100-101 "in context" and you ran away!
                                    stop polluting the thread with absurdities ascribing to the almighty having daughters.

                                    peace!

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      you're getting more absurd with each post; how many different words are you translating as son!
                                      now be sincere don't run away from questions asked of you -- translate 2233 consistently as son?

                                      2233
                                      biwaladihā/in (due to) offspring/child (masculine noun) hers
                                      biwaladihi/in (due to) offspring/child (masculine noun) his

                                      likewise it was asked of you to simply allocate to parent and daughters -- you ran!

                                      likewise it was asked of you to translate 6100-101 "in context" and you ran away!
                                      stop polluting the thread with absurdities ascribing to the almighty having daughters.

                                      peace!

                                      Strange to blame me is getting absurd.

                                      There are 29 instances where http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.083/14.gif is used as son and with masculine verbs. And you are quoting one instance where a prepositional phrase with possessive phrase is used along with a feminine active participle for mother and Passive participle for the man who is made begetter by her wife who is in the process of divorce.

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                                        Strange to blame me is getting absurd.

                                        There are 29 instances where http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.083/14.gif is used as son and with masculine verbs. And you are quoting one instance where a prepositional phrase with possessive phrase is used along with a feminine active participle for mother and Passive participle for the man who is made begetter by her wife who is in the process of divorce.

                                        Again, offspring! Consistent all occurrences not flip ignorantly!
                                        http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=wld#(41133)

                                        Why so difficult for you to translate write the word offspring/child?

                                        2233 and the mothers breastfeed they awladahunna/children theirs
                                        not made to suffer parent (maternal) biwaladiha/in (due to) child hers
                                        and not parent (paternal) to him biwaladihi/in (due to) child his
                                        and if intends you that another breastfeed they of awladakum/children yours

                                        411 instructed you the god in awladikum/children yours to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two females

                                        6100-101 and make they of to god associates of the jinn and creation them and attribute they of to him banina/sons wabanatin/and daughters in other than knowledge glorified be he and exalted he of what attributing originator the skies and the land how being to him waladun/offspring and not it be to him companion his and creation each thing and he in each thing knower

                                        3133 O you the humankind heeds ye of lord yours and fears ye of day of not availed parent about waladihi/offspring his

                                        That is the reason all translations are horrid (including yours), inconsistent, parroting mistakes by ignorant who cannot comprehend nor add simple distributions (e.g. spouse, parent/s, and daughter/s) and main reason the missionaries are trouncing you/them all over the place and internet especially on inheritance verses and causing much doubt. Hence reason for this thread which you are spamming every post with absurdness adding no value and ignorantly attributing the unforgivable to the almighty having daughters e.g. l-lata wal-uza and manat!

                                        Again, to translate numerous occurrences erroneously as son does not rule out having daughters!

                                        Peace!

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                                          huruf
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                                          The "difficulty" arises from ignoring the rethorice gender as explained and named by our corum fellow UQ in an aticle qhich he shared with us and ignoring the grammatical fact the same form is used for the rethoric gender as the masculine gender, but they are distinct. To be masculine gender it would have exclude the possibility of the presence of any thing or creature of feminine grammatical gender, because if there is the possiblity of just one, then it is not masculine but rethoric. That happens in many languages.

                                          Obvioulsy, even those who insist on "masculine", "masculine", to death, know that, it is too common and to obvious to ignore, but they choose for their own "reasons" to insist on masculine. If they did not they might loose some masculinity, it seems.

                                          That is the ptitiful state of some self called muslims, more interested in this childish posturing than in real deep and honest knowledge.

                                          Salaam

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