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Inheritance according to Qur?an

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    Mazhar
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    you're getting more absurd with each post; how many different words are you translating as son!
    now be sincere don't run away from questions asked of you -- translate 2233 consistently as son?

    2233
    biwaladihā/in (due to) offspring/child (masculine noun) hers
    biwaladihi/in (due to) offspring/child (masculine noun) his

    likewise it was asked of you to simply allocate to parent and daughters -- you ran!

    likewise it was asked of you to translate 6100-101 "in context" and you ran away!
    stop polluting the thread with absurdities ascribing to the almighty having daughters.

    peace!

    Strange to blame me is getting absurd.

    There are 29 instances where http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.083/14.gif is used as son and with masculine verbs. And you are quoting one instance where a prepositional phrase with possessive phrase is used along with a feminine active participle for mother and Passive participle for the man who is made begetter by her wife who is in the process of divorce.

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      Noon_waalqalami
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      Strange to blame me is getting absurd.

      There are 29 instances where http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.083/14.gif is used as son and with masculine verbs. And you are quoting one instance where a prepositional phrase with possessive phrase is used along with a feminine active participle for mother and Passive participle for the man who is made begetter by her wife who is in the process of divorce.

      Again, offspring! Consistent all occurrences not flip ignorantly!
      http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=wld#(41133)

      Why so difficult for you to translate write the word offspring/child?

      2233 and the mothers breastfeed they awladahunna/children theirs
      not made to suffer parent (maternal) biwaladiha/in (due to) child hers
      and not parent (paternal) to him biwaladihi/in (due to) child his
      and if intends you that another breastfeed they of awladakum/children yours

      411 instructed you the god in awladikum/children yours to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two females

      6100-101 and make they of to god associates of the jinn and creation them and attribute they of to him banina/sons wabanatin/and daughters in other than knowledge glorified be he and exalted he of what attributing originator the skies and the land how being to him waladun/offspring and not it be to him companion his and creation each thing and he in each thing knower

      3133 O you the humankind heeds ye of lord yours and fears ye of day of not availed parent about waladihi/offspring his

      That is the reason all translations are horrid (including yours), inconsistent, parroting mistakes by ignorant who cannot comprehend nor add simple distributions (e.g. spouse, parent/s, and daughter/s) and main reason the missionaries are trouncing you/them all over the place and internet especially on inheritance verses and causing much doubt. Hence reason for this thread which you are spamming every post with absurdness adding no value and ignorantly attributing the unforgivable to the almighty having daughters e.g. l-lata wal-uza and manat!

      Again, to translate numerous occurrences erroneously as son does not rule out having daughters!

      Peace!

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        huruf
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        The "difficulty" arises from ignoring the rethorice gender as explained and named by our corum fellow UQ in an aticle qhich he shared with us and ignoring the grammatical fact the same form is used for the rethoric gender as the masculine gender, but they are distinct. To be masculine gender it would have exclude the possibility of the presence of any thing or creature of feminine grammatical gender, because if there is the possiblity of just one, then it is not masculine but rethoric. That happens in many languages.

        Obvioulsy, even those who insist on "masculine", "masculine", to death, know that, it is too common and to obvious to ignore, but they choose for their own "reasons" to insist on masculine. If they did not they might loose some masculinity, it seems.

        That is the ptitiful state of some self called muslims, more interested in this childish posturing than in real deep and honest knowledge.

        Salaam

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          The_Sardar
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          Sister Huruf is referring to this https//1drv.ms/b/s!AkotlTY_voT4qgKZ70i1zHEjGxxS

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            Mazhar
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            The "difficulty" arises from ignoring the rethorice gender as explained and named by our corum fellow UQ in an aticle qhich he shared with us and ignoring the grammatical fact the same form is used for the rethoric gender as the masculine gender, but they are distinct. To be masculine gender it would have exclude the possibility of the presence of any thing or creature of feminine grammatical gender, because if there is the possiblity of just one, then it is not masculine but rethoric. That happens in many languages.

            Obvioulsy, even those who insist on "masculine", "masculine", to death, know that, it is too common and to obvious to ignore, but they choose for their own "reasons" to insist on masculine. If they did not they might loose some masculinity, it seems.

            That is the ptitiful state of some self called muslims, more interested in this childish posturing than in real deep and honest knowledge.

            Salaam

            Does the rhetoric gender has any relevance to specific noun http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.083/14.gif. http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.083/2.gif.

            Yusuf, Musa, Easa as Waladun does not mean rhetorical gender.

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              Mazhar
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              Again, offspring! Consistent all occurrences not flip ignorantly!
              http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=wld#(41133)

              Why so difficult for you to translate write the word offspring/child?

              2233 and the mothers breastfeed they awladahunna/children theirs
              not made to suffer parent (maternal) biwaladiha/in (due to) child hers
              and not parent (paternal) to him biwaladihi/in (due to) child his
              and if intends you that another breastfeed they of awladakum/children yours

              411 instructed you the god in awladikum/children yours to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two females

              6100-101 and make they of to god associates of the jinn and creation them and attribute they of to him banina/sons wabanatin/and daughters in other than knowledge glorified be he and exalted he of what attributing originator the skies and the land how being to him waladun/offspring and not it be to him companion his and creation each thing and he in each thing knower

              3133 O you the humankind heeds ye of lord yours and fears ye of day of not availed parent about waladihi/offspring his

              That is the reason all translations are horrid (including yours), inconsistent, parroting mistakes by ignorant who cannot comprehend nor add simple distributions (e.g. spouse, parent/s, and daughter/s) and main reason the missionaries are trouncing you/them all over the place and internet especially on inheritance verses and causing much doubt. Hence reason for this thread which you are spamming every post with absurdness adding no value and ignorantly attributing the unforgivable to the almighty having daughters e.g. l-lata wal-uza and manat!

              Again, to translate numerous occurrences erroneously as son does not rule out having daughters!

              Peace!

              This observation is because of lack of basic knowledge about Arabic language. In Arabic, every object living or non living is either masculine or feminine. And this is what the science is. Treating a masculine object as feminine will distort the concept.

              A noun in absolute indefinite state (with tanween) denotes only one gender.

              Things are simple but we cant help who wants to remain stuck to his baby.

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                huruf
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                I have opted not to get upset but just laugh off the nonsense when it is written here. It is funny indeed, when you see that on top of it, the writer expects it to be taken seriously. ?Waw!

                Salaam

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                  Noon_waalqalami
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                  This observation is because of lack of basic knowledge about Arabic language. In Arabic, every object living or non living is either masculine or feminine. And this is what the science is. Treating a masculine object as feminine will distort the concept.

                  context is your friend!

                  only males fast?
                  2185 falyasumhu/so should he (i.e. said person) fast it

                  only males breastfeed?
                  2233 awladahunna/children (masculine pl.) theirs

                  only due to male child?
                  2233 biwaladiha/in (due to) child (masculine noun) hers
                  2233 biwaladihi/in (due to) child (masculine noun) his

                  only males enter heaven?
                  413 yudkhilhu/entered him (i.e. said person) gardens flow

                  I have opted not to get upset but just laugh off the nonsense when it is written here. It is funny indeed, when you see that on top of it, the writer expects it to be taken seriously. �Waw!

                  Salaam

                  yes said person keeps embarrassing himself.

                  1697 who work righteous of from dhakarin/male or untha/female wahuwa/and he (said person) muminun/believer ...

                  2810 ... if not that strengthened we of upon heart hers surely she being of l-muminina/the believers (masculine pl.)

                  peace!

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                    Mazhar
                    wrote on last edited by
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                    This is where the basic fault lies which you wish not to rectify.

                    only males breastfeed?
                    2233 awladahunna/children (masculine pl.) theirs

                    It is NOT masculine plural.

                    Please take some little time to study about broken plurals.

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                      Mazhar
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                      http//only males fast?
                      2185 falyasumhu/so should he (i.e. said person) fast it

                      It is just mockery.

                      It is apodosis clause. Condition clause is with Relative Pronoun, whoever. someone.

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                        Noon_waalqalami
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                        It is NOT masculine plural.
                        Please take some little time to study about broken plurals.

                        http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=233#(22333)

                        thread is on inheritance which you are clueless on simple shares like parents and daughters.

                        here is an updated inheritance distributions summary

                        https//i.postimg.cc/V6tdQb97/inheritance1.jpg

                        https//i.postimg.cc/yY8s0ZJw/inheritance2.jpg

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                          Mazhar
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                          http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(22333)

                          thread is on inheritance which you are clueless on simple shares like parent and daughter.

                          here is an updated inheritance distributions summary

                          https//i.postimg.cc/V6tdQb97/inheritance1.jpg

                          https//i.postimg.cc/yY8s0ZJw/inheritance2.jpg

                          This is from your mind and of some others. It is NOT in Qur'an.

                          Show me where it is written that 1/3 is for son.

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                            Mazhar
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                            Quote from Mazhar on Today at 050121 PM
                            It is NOT masculine plural.
                            Please take some little time to study about broken plurals.

                            http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=233#(22333)

                            It is incorrect entry. Kais has poor knowledge of Arabic grammar. He is simply computer expert. Hundreds of mistakes I corrected for him.

                            Correct your perception, read about it in the Article at Para 29

                            http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

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                              Noon_waalqalami
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                              This is from your mind and of some others. It is NOT in Qur'an.

                              Show me where it is written that 1/3 is for son.

                              see chart e.g. when exactly two daughters, son, and parents

                              411 in awladikum/offspring/children yours
                              lildhakari/to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion l-unthayayni/the two (females)
                              and to parents two his (said person) to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) from what left if be for him (said person) offspring

                              btw, you still own us answers to all prior questions asked of you, likewise 6100-101 "in context" please?

                              only males fast?
                              2185 falyasumhu/so should he (i.e. said person) fast it

                              only due to male child?
                              2233 biwaladiha/in (due to) child (masculine noun) hers

                              only males enter heaven?
                              413 yudkhilhu/entered him (i.e. said person) gardens flow

                              697 who work righteous of from dhakarin/male or untha/female wahuwa/and he (said person) muminun/believer ...
                              2810 ... if not that strengthened we of upon heart hers surely she being of l-muminina/the believers (masculine pl.)

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                                Cerberus
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                                Isn't a "person" masculine in arabic ? Masculine not male. You can't conclude the gender of said person just because it's a masculine pronoun used. If in a situation of multiple females and only one male it still referred to with plural masculine. Meaning that the only reason one would need to specify that it's female only or male only is to make the specification and that it's mixed/irrelevant genders by default. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

                                Also it seems like this was the case with english too

                                Alongside they, it was acceptable to use the pronoun he to refer to an indefinite person of any gender, as in the following
                                "No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality." ?Article 15, Universal Declaration of Human Rights (194.

                                https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

                                It was probably for patriarchal reasons.

                                "To the male the share of the two females" (also for patriarchal reasons?) where is it in your table ?

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                                  huruf
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                                  UQ called it rethorical gender, in Spanish it is called "unmarked gender" it is the same form as masculine, but it is not masculine but unmarked, and it is not a question merely of males or not males, since things also have a grammatical gender, so much in Spanish as in Arabic and other languages. So in fact the unmarked gender is applied also where things are of different grammatical gender.

                                  I know UQ called it rethorical, I do not know in English grammar speech whether that is the used term or not.

                                  I ery much doubt that it is a question of patriarchy or not. Fibally language is the one thing in which women have had at least as much say, if not in Academia, at least in usage. Adn of course language reflects the society so it seems logical that "masculine" as deified, to the point of calling the unmarked gender masculine, but I think that whatgever it is called its usage goes back to much more elemnrtary and matriarchal concepts.

                                  Salaam

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    see chart e.g. when exactly two daughters, son, and parents

                                    411 in awladikum/offspring/children yours
                                    lildhakari/to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion l-unthayayni/the two (females)
                                    and to parents two his (said person) to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) from what left if be for him (said person) offspring

                                    btw, you still own us answers to all prior questions asked of you, likewise 6100-101 "in context" please?

                                    only males fast?
                                    2185 falyasumhu/so should he (i.e. said person) fast it

                                    only due to male child?
                                    2233 biwaladiha/in (due to) child (masculine noun) hers

                                    only males enter heaven?
                                    413 yudkhilhu/entered him (i.e. said person) gardens flow

                                    697 who work righteous of from dhakarin/male or untha/female wahuwa/and he (said person) muminun/believer ...
                                    2810 ... if not that strengthened we of upon heart hers surely she being of l-muminina/the believers (masculine pl.)

                                    Now it is total mockery.

                                    Quote Arabic words which say son will get one third. Don't throw it from your mind. Put it from Qur'an.

                                    Allah the Exalted is enjoining-binding you people (the Mankind) concerning children (offspring) of you people ?

                                    The equivalent of the allocation for the two females shall become the comparable measure - commensurate (-&#1604 for the male in your children.

                                    Thereby, instead of a male co-sharer, if they (children) were womenfolk (three or more) who have become more than two females referred to above, thereat, two-thirds of that which he (the deceased parent) has left, shall be the allocation for collective sharing by them (offspring).

                                    And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half is allocated for her.

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      Quote from Mazhar on Today at 050121 PM
                                      It is NOT masculine plural.
                                      Please take some little time to study about broken plurals.

                                      http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=233#(22333)

                                      It is incorrect entry. Kais has poor knowledge of Arabic grammar. He is simply computer expert. Hundreds of mistakes I corrected for him.

                                      Correct your perception, read about it in the Article at Para 29

                                      http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

                                      Have you corrected your understanding about this noun. Unless you study about nouns in Arabic, pronouns, Relative nouns, gender is singular nouns and gender in plural nouns, and then learn anaphora resolution, till then you will keep wandering.

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                                        Noon_waalqalami
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                                        Now it is total mockery.

                                        Quote Arabic words which say son will get one third. Don't throw it from your mind. Put it from Qur'an.

                                        It appears you've injured left side of brain now devoid of simple IF THEN logic; son is variable/unknown depends on others.

                                        IF child THEN father 1/6, mother 1/6 remainder 2/3
                                        IF 1 daughter she gets 1/22/3 = 1/3 and son 1/3
                                        IF 2 daughters THEN they get 1/3 and the son 1/3
                                        IF 3+ daughters they get 2/3
                                        2/3 = 4/9, son 2/9

                                        now your turn let's see if you have functioning brain please allocate parents and daughter?

                                        I predict you'll run away like always divert not answer questions what disingenuous cowards do!

                                        walad/son (erroneous! you really messed up!) now have more unknowns/variables, unsolvable!

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                                          Noon_waalqalami
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                                          "To the male the share of the two females" (also for patriarchal reasons?) where is it in your table ?

                                          peace, doesn't say male always gets twice each female rather to the male/s = exactly two females (hence two have to be present to apply)

                                          https//i.postimg.cc/dQZ0cvL2/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg

                                          https//i.postimg.cc/D0vSsLwp/inheritance1.jpg

                                          https//i.postimg.cc/XYf0Mh8F/inheritance2.jpg

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