Inheritance according to Qur?an

Mazhar

The "difficulty" arises from ignoring the rethorice gender as explained and named by our corum fellow UQ in an aticle qhich he shared with us and ignoring the grammatical fact the same form is used for the rethoric gender as the masculine gender, but they are distinct. To be masculine gender it would have exclude the possibility of the presence of any thing or creature of feminine grammatical gender, because if there is the possiblity of just one, then it is not masculine but rethoric. That happens in many languages.

Obvioulsy, even those who insist on "masculine", "masculine", to death, know that, it is too common and to obvious to ignore, but they choose for their own "reasons" to insist on masculine. If they did not they might loose some masculinity, it seems.

That is the ptitiful state of some self called muslims, more interested in this childish posturing than in real deep and honest knowledge.

Salaam

Does the rhetoric gender has any relevance to specific noun http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.083/14.gif. http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.083/2.gif.

Yusuf, Musa, Easa as Waladun does not mean rhetorical gender.

Mazhar

Again, offspring! Consistent all occurrences not flip ignorantly!
http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=wld#(41133)

Why so difficult for you to translate write the word offspring/child?

2233 and the mothers breastfeed they awladahunna/children theirs
not made to suffer parent (maternal) biwaladiha/in (due to) child hers
and not parent (paternal) to him biwaladihi/in (due to) child his
and if intends you that another breastfeed they of awladakum/children yours

411 instructed you the god in awladikum/children yours to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two females

6100-101 and make they of to god associates of the jinn and creation them and attribute they of to him banina/sons wabanatin/and daughters in other than knowledge glorified be he and exalted he of what attributing originator the skies and the land how being to him waladun/offspring and not it be to him companion his and creation each thing and he in each thing knower

3133 O you the humankind heeds ye of lord yours and fears ye of day of not availed parent about waladihi/offspring his

That is the reason all translations are horrid (including yours), inconsistent, parroting mistakes by ignorant who cannot comprehend nor add simple distributions (e.g. spouse, parent/s, and daughter/s) and main reason the missionaries are trouncing you/them all over the place and internet especially on inheritance verses and causing much doubt. Hence reason for this thread which you are spamming every post with absurdness adding no value and ignorantly attributing the unforgivable to the almighty having daughters e.g. l-lata wal-uza and manat!

Again, to translate numerous occurrences erroneously as son does not rule out having daughters!

Peace!

This observation is because of lack of basic knowledge about Arabic language. In Arabic, every object living or non living is either masculine or feminine. And this is what the science is. Treating a masculine object as feminine will distort the concept.

A noun in absolute indefinite state (with tanween) denotes only one gender.

Things are simple but we cant help who wants to remain stuck to his baby.

huruf

I have opted not to get upset but just laugh off the nonsense when it is written here. It is funny indeed, when you see that on top of it, the writer expects it to be taken seriously. ?Waw!

Salaam

Noon_waalqalami

This observation is because of lack of basic knowledge about Arabic language. In Arabic, every object living or non living is either masculine or feminine. And this is what the science is. Treating a masculine object as feminine will distort the concept.

context is your friend!

only males fast?
2185 falyasumhu/so should he (i.e. said person) fast it

only males breastfeed?
2233 awladahunna/children (masculine pl.) theirs

only due to male child?
2233 biwaladiha/in (due to) child (masculine noun) hers
2233 biwaladihi/in (due to) child (masculine noun) his

only males enter heaven?
413 yudkhilhu/entered him (i.e. said person) gardens flow

I have opted not to get upset but just laugh off the nonsense when it is written here. It is funny indeed, when you see that on top of it, the writer expects it to be taken seriously. �Waw!

Salaam

yes said person keeps embarrassing himself.

1697 who work righteous of from dhakarin/male or untha/female wahuwa/and he (said person) muminun/believer ...

2810 ... if not that strengthened we of upon heart hers surely she being of l-muminina/the believers (masculine pl.)

peace!

Mazhar

This is where the basic fault lies which you wish not to rectify.

only males breastfeed?
2233 awladahunna/children (masculine pl.) theirs

It is NOT masculine plural.

Please take some little time to study about broken plurals.

Mazhar

http//only males fast?
2185 falyasumhu/so should he (i.e. said person) fast it

It is just mockery.

It is apodosis clause. Condition clause is with Relative Pronoun, whoever. someone.

Noon_waalqalami

It is NOT masculine plural.
Please take some little time to study about broken plurals.

http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=233#(22333)

thread is on inheritance which you are clueless on simple shares like parents and daughters.

here is an updated inheritance distributions summary

https//i.postimg.cc/V6tdQb97/inheritance1.jpg

https//i.postimg.cc/yY8s0ZJw/inheritance2.jpg

Mazhar

http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(22333)

thread is on inheritance which you are clueless on simple shares like parent and daughter.

here is an updated inheritance distributions summary

https//i.postimg.cc/V6tdQb97/inheritance1.jpg

https//i.postimg.cc/yY8s0ZJw/inheritance2.jpg

This is from your mind and of some others. It is NOT in Qur'an.

Show me where it is written that 1/3 is for son.

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 050121 PM
It is NOT masculine plural.
Please take some little time to study about broken plurals.

http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=233#(22333)

It is incorrect entry. Kais has poor knowledge of Arabic grammar. He is simply computer expert. Hundreds of mistakes I corrected for him.

Correct your perception, read about it in the Article at Para 29

http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

Noon_waalqalami

This is from your mind and of some others. It is NOT in Qur'an.

Show me where it is written that 1/3 is for son.

see chart e.g. when exactly two daughters, son, and parents

411 in awladikum/offspring/children yours
lildhakari/to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion l-unthayayni/the two (females)
and to parents two his (said person) to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) from what left if be for him (said person) offspring

btw, you still own us answers to all prior questions asked of you, likewise 6100-101 "in context" please?

only males fast?
2185 falyasumhu/so should he (i.e. said person) fast it

only due to male child?
2233 biwaladiha/in (due to) child (masculine noun) hers

only males enter heaven?
413 yudkhilhu/entered him (i.e. said person) gardens flow

697 who work righteous of from dhakarin/male or untha/female wahuwa/and he (said person) muminun/believer ...
2810 ... if not that strengthened we of upon heart hers surely she being of l-muminina/the believers (masculine pl.)

Cerberus

Isn't a "person" masculine in arabic ? Masculine not male. You can't conclude the gender of said person just because it's a masculine pronoun used. If in a situation of multiple females and only one male it still referred to with plural masculine. Meaning that the only reason one would need to specify that it's female only or male only is to make the specification and that it's mixed/irrelevant genders by default. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also it seems like this was the case with english too

Alongside they, it was acceptable to use the pronoun he to refer to an indefinite person of any gender, as in the following
"No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality." ?Article 15, Universal Declaration of Human Rights (194.

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

It was probably for patriarchal reasons.

"To the male the share of the two females" (also for patriarchal reasons?) where is it in your table ?

huruf

UQ called it rethorical gender, in Spanish it is called "unmarked gender" it is the same form as masculine, but it is not masculine but unmarked, and it is not a question merely of males or not males, since things also have a grammatical gender, so much in Spanish as in Arabic and other languages. So in fact the unmarked gender is applied also where things are of different grammatical gender.

I know UQ called it rethorical, I do not know in English grammar speech whether that is the used term or not.

I ery much doubt that it is a question of patriarchy or not. Fibally language is the one thing in which women have had at least as much say, if not in Academia, at least in usage. Adn of course language reflects the society so it seems logical that "masculine" as deified, to the point of calling the unmarked gender masculine, but I think that whatgever it is called its usage goes back to much more elemnrtary and matriarchal concepts.

Salaam

Mazhar

see chart e.g. when exactly two daughters, son, and parents

411 in awladikum/offspring/children yours
lildhakari/to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion l-unthayayni/the two (females)
and to parents two his (said person) to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) from what left if be for him (said person) offspring

btw, you still own us answers to all prior questions asked of you, likewise 6100-101 "in context" please?

only males fast?
2185 falyasumhu/so should he (i.e. said person) fast it

only due to male child?
2233 biwaladiha/in (due to) child (masculine noun) hers

only males enter heaven?
413 yudkhilhu/entered him (i.e. said person) gardens flow

697 who work righteous of from dhakarin/male or untha/female wahuwa/and he (said person) muminun/believer ...
2810 ... if not that strengthened we of upon heart hers surely she being of l-muminina/the believers (masculine pl.)

Now it is total mockery.

Quote Arabic words which say son will get one third. Don't throw it from your mind. Put it from Qur'an.

Allah the Exalted is enjoining-binding you people (the Mankind) concerning children (offspring) of you people ?

The equivalent of the allocation for the two females shall become the comparable measure - commensurate (-&#1604 for the male in your children.

Thereby, instead of a male co-sharer, if they (children) were womenfolk (three or more) who have become more than two females referred to above, thereat, two-thirds of that which he (the deceased parent) has left, shall be the allocation for collective sharing by them (offspring).

And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half is allocated for her.

Mazhar

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Quote from Mazhar on Today at 050121 PM
It is NOT masculine plural.
Please take some little time to study about broken plurals.

http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=233#(22333)

It is incorrect entry. Kais has poor knowledge of Arabic grammar. He is simply computer expert. Hundreds of mistakes I corrected for him.

Correct your perception, read about it in the Article at Para 29

http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

Have you corrected your understanding about this noun. Unless you study about nouns in Arabic, pronouns, Relative nouns, gender is singular nouns and gender in plural nouns, and then learn anaphora resolution, till then you will keep wandering.

Noon_waalqalami

Now it is total mockery.

Quote Arabic words which say son will get one third. Don't throw it from your mind. Put it from Qur'an.

It appears you've injured left side of brain now devoid of simple IF THEN logic; son is variable/unknown depends on others.

IF child THEN father 1/6, mother 1/6 remainder 2/3
IF 1 daughter she gets 1/22/3 = 1/3 and son 1/3
IF 2 daughters THEN they get 1/3 and the son 1/3
IF 3+ daughters they get 2/32/3 = 4/9, son 2/9

now your turn let's see if you have functioning brain please allocate parents and daughter?

I predict you'll run away like always divert not answer questions what disingenuous cowards do!

walad/son (erroneous! you really messed up!) now have more unknowns/variables, unsolvable!

Noon_waalqalami

"To the male the share of the two females" (also for patriarchal reasons?) where is it in your table ?

peace, doesn't say male always gets twice each female rather to the male/s = exactly two females (hence two have to be present to apply)

https//i.postimg.cc/dQZ0cvL2/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg

https//i.postimg.cc/D0vSsLwp/inheritance1.jpg

https//i.postimg.cc/XYf0Mh8F/inheritance2.jpg

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 052319 AM
Now it is total mockery.

Quote Arabic words which say son will get one third. Don't throw it from your mind. Put it from Qur'an.

It appears you've injured left side of brain now devoid of simple IF THEN logic; son is variable/unknown depends on others.

IF child THEN father 1/6, mother 1/6 remainder 2/3
IF 1 daughter she gets 1/22/3 = 1/3 and son 1/3
IF 2 daughters THEN they get 1/3 and the son 1/3
IF 3+ daughters they get 2/32/3 = 4/9, son 2/9

now your turn let's see if you have functioning brain please allocate parents and daughter?

I predict you'll run away like always divert not answer questions what disingenuous cowards do!

walad/son (erroneous! you really messed up!) now have more unknowns/variables, unsolvable!

What is child? It is a vague word unless specified; boy or girl.

Noon_waalqalami

What is child? It is a vague word unless specified; boy or girl.

as predicted clueless ran away/dodged simple question to allocate parents and daughter?

2233
not made to suffer parent (maternal) biwaladiha/in (due to) child hers
and not parent (paternal) to him biwaladihi/in (due to) child his

411
and to parents two his (said person) to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) from what left if be for him walad/child
so if not beeth for him (said person) walad/child and inherit him parents dual his so to mother his the third (1/3)

6100-101 and make they of to god associates of the jinn and creation them and attribute they of to him banina/sons wabanatin/and daughters in other than knowledge glorified be he and exalted he of what attributing originator the skies and the land how being to him walad/offspring and not it be to him companion his and creation each thing and he in each thing knower

1977 have so seen thou the one reject in signs ours and said surely given I wealth wawaladan/and offspring of

3133 O you the humankind heeds ye of lord yours and fears ye of day of not availed parent about waladihi/offspring his

723 and indeed he exalted majesty lord ours not has taken companion his and not waladan/offspring of

again, by translating walad/son (erroneous!) you ignorantly attributed to the almighty having daughters!

peace!

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 123126 PM
What is child? It is a vague word unless specified; boy or girl.