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Inheritance according to Qur?an

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    Noon_waalqalami
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    This is from your mind and of some others. It is NOT in Qur'an.

    Show me where it is written that 1/3 is for son.

    see chart e.g. when exactly two daughters, son, and parents

    411 in awladikum/offspring/children yours
    lildhakari/to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion l-unthayayni/the two (females)
    and to parents two his (said person) to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) from what left if be for him (said person) offspring

    btw, you still own us answers to all prior questions asked of you, likewise 6100-101 "in context" please?

    only males fast?
    2185 falyasumhu/so should he (i.e. said person) fast it

    only due to male child?
    2233 biwaladiha/in (due to) child (masculine noun) hers

    only males enter heaven?
    413 yudkhilhu/entered him (i.e. said person) gardens flow

    697 who work righteous of from dhakarin/male or untha/female wahuwa/and he (said person) muminun/believer ...
    2810 ... if not that strengthened we of upon heart hers surely she being of l-muminina/the believers (masculine pl.)

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      Cerberus
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      Isn't a "person" masculine in arabic ? Masculine not male. You can't conclude the gender of said person just because it's a masculine pronoun used. If in a situation of multiple females and only one male it still referred to with plural masculine. Meaning that the only reason one would need to specify that it's female only or male only is to make the specification and that it's mixed/irrelevant genders by default. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

      Also it seems like this was the case with english too

      Alongside they, it was acceptable to use the pronoun he to refer to an indefinite person of any gender, as in the following
      "No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality." ?Article 15, Universal Declaration of Human Rights (194.

      https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

      It was probably for patriarchal reasons.

      "To the male the share of the two females" (also for patriarchal reasons?) where is it in your table ?

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        huruf
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        UQ called it rethorical gender, in Spanish it is called "unmarked gender" it is the same form as masculine, but it is not masculine but unmarked, and it is not a question merely of males or not males, since things also have a grammatical gender, so much in Spanish as in Arabic and other languages. So in fact the unmarked gender is applied also where things are of different grammatical gender.

        I know UQ called it rethorical, I do not know in English grammar speech whether that is the used term or not.

        I ery much doubt that it is a question of patriarchy or not. Fibally language is the one thing in which women have had at least as much say, if not in Academia, at least in usage. Adn of course language reflects the society so it seems logical that "masculine" as deified, to the point of calling the unmarked gender masculine, but I think that whatgever it is called its usage goes back to much more elemnrtary and matriarchal concepts.

        Salaam

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          Mazhar
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          see chart e.g. when exactly two daughters, son, and parents

          411 in awladikum/offspring/children yours
          lildhakari/to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion l-unthayayni/the two (females)
          and to parents two his (said person) to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) from what left if be for him (said person) offspring

          btw, you still own us answers to all prior questions asked of you, likewise 6100-101 "in context" please?

          only males fast?
          2185 falyasumhu/so should he (i.e. said person) fast it

          only due to male child?
          2233 biwaladiha/in (due to) child (masculine noun) hers

          only males enter heaven?
          413 yudkhilhu/entered him (i.e. said person) gardens flow

          697 who work righteous of from dhakarin/male or untha/female wahuwa/and he (said person) muminun/believer ...
          2810 ... if not that strengthened we of upon heart hers surely she being of l-muminina/the believers (masculine pl.)

          Now it is total mockery.

          Quote Arabic words which say son will get one third. Don't throw it from your mind. Put it from Qur'an.

          Allah the Exalted is enjoining-binding you people (the Mankind) concerning children (offspring) of you people ?

          The equivalent of the allocation for the two females shall become the comparable measure - commensurate (-&#1604 for the male in your children.

          Thereby, instead of a male co-sharer, if they (children) were womenfolk (three or more) who have become more than two females referred to above, thereat, two-thirds of that which he (the deceased parent) has left, shall be the allocation for collective sharing by them (offspring).

          And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half is allocated for her.

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            Mazhar
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            It is NOT masculine plural.
            Please take some little time to study about broken plurals.

            http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=233#(22333)

            It is incorrect entry. Kais has poor knowledge of Arabic grammar. He is simply computer expert. Hundreds of mistakes I corrected for him.

            Correct your perception, read about it in the Article at Para 29

            http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

            Have you corrected your understanding about this noun. Unless you study about nouns in Arabic, pronouns, Relative nouns, gender is singular nouns and gender in plural nouns, and then learn anaphora resolution, till then you will keep wandering.

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              Noon_waalqalami
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              Now it is total mockery.

              Quote Arabic words which say son will get one third. Don't throw it from your mind. Put it from Qur'an.

              It appears you've injured left side of brain now devoid of simple IF THEN logic; son is variable/unknown depends on others.

              IF child THEN father 1/6, mother 1/6 remainder 2/3
              IF 1 daughter she gets 1/22/3 = 1/3 and son 1/3
              IF 2 daughters THEN they get 1/3 and the son 1/3
              IF 3+ daughters they get 2/3
              2/3 = 4/9, son 2/9

              now your turn let's see if you have functioning brain please allocate parents and daughter?

              I predict you'll run away like always divert not answer questions what disingenuous cowards do!

              walad/son (erroneous! you really messed up!) now have more unknowns/variables, unsolvable!

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                Noon_waalqalami
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                "To the male the share of the two females" (also for patriarchal reasons?) where is it in your table ?

                peace, doesn't say male always gets twice each female rather to the male/s = exactly two females (hence two have to be present to apply)

                https//i.postimg.cc/dQZ0cvL2/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg

                https//i.postimg.cc/D0vSsLwp/inheritance1.jpg

                https//i.postimg.cc/XYf0Mh8F/inheritance2.jpg

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                  Mazhar
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                  Quote from Mazhar on Today at 052319 AM
                  Now it is total mockery.

                  Quote Arabic words which say son will get one third. Don't throw it from your mind. Put it from Qur'an.

                  It appears you've injured left side of brain now devoid of simple IF THEN logic; son is variable/unknown depends on others.

                  IF child THEN father 1/6, mother 1/6 remainder 2/3
                  IF 1 daughter she gets 1/22/3 = 1/3 and son 1/3
                  IF 2 daughters THEN they get 1/3 and the son 1/3
                  IF 3+ daughters they get 2/3
                  2/3 = 4/9, son 2/9

                  now your turn let's see if you have functioning brain please allocate parents and daughter?

                  I predict you'll run away like always divert not answer questions what disingenuous cowards do!

                  walad/son (erroneous! you really messed up!) now have more unknowns/variables, unsolvable!

                  What is child? It is a vague word unless specified; boy or girl.

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                    Noon_waalqalami
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                    What is child? It is a vague word unless specified; boy or girl.

                    as predicted clueless ran away/dodged simple question to allocate parents and daughter?

                    2233
                    not made to suffer parent (maternal) biwaladiha/in (due to) child hers
                    and not parent (paternal) to him biwaladihi/in (due to) child his

                    411
                    and to parents two his (said person) to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) from what left if be for him walad/child
                    so if not beeth for him (said person) walad/child and inherit him parents dual his so to mother his the third (1/3)

                    6100-101 and make they of to god associates of the jinn and creation them and attribute they of to him banina/sons wabanatin/and daughters in other than knowledge glorified be he and exalted he of what attributing originator the skies and the land how being to him walad/offspring and not it be to him companion his and creation each thing and he in each thing knower

                    1977 have so seen thou the one reject in signs ours and said surely given I wealth wawaladan/and offspring of

                    3133 O you the humankind heeds ye of lord yours and fears ye of day of not availed parent about waladihi/offspring his

                    723 and indeed he exalted majesty lord ours not has taken companion his and not waladan/offspring of

                    again, by translating walad/son (erroneous!) you ignorantly attributed to the almighty having daughters!

                    peace!

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                      Mazhar
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                      Quote from Mazhar on Today at 123126 PM
                      What is child? It is a vague word unless specified; boy or girl.

                      as predicted clueless ran away/dodged simple question to allocate parents and daughter?

                      2233
                      not made to suffer parent (maternal) biwaladiha/in (due to) child hers
                      and not parent (paternal) to him biwaladihi/in (due to) child his

                      411
                      and to parents two his (said person) to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) from what left if be for him walad/child
                      so if not beeth for him (said person) walad/child and inherit him parents dual his so to mother his the third (1/3)

                      6100-101 and make they of to god associates of the jinn and creation them and attribute they of to him banina/sons wabanatin/and daughters in other than knowledge glorified be he and exalted he of what attributing originator the skies and the land how being to him walad/offspring and not it be to him companion his and creation each thing and he in each thing knower

                      1977 have so seen thou the one reject in signs ours and said surely given I wealth wawaladan/and offspring of

                      3133 O you the humankind heeds ye of lord yours and fears ye of day of not availed parent about waladihi/offspring his

                      723 and indeed he exalted majesty lord ours not has taken companion his and not waladan/offspring of

                      again, by translating walad/son (erroneous!) you ignorantly attributed to the almighty having daughters!

                      peace!

                      Is it ran away by me or you.

                      You explain not what you mean by child and which Arabic word you have translated as child.

                      child
                      /tld/
                      noun
                      a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.
                      "she'd been playing tennis since she was a child"
                      synonyms youngster, young one, little one, boy, girl; More
                      a son or daughter of any age.
                      "when children leave home, parents can feel somewhat redundant"
                      an immature or irresponsible person.
                      "she's such a child!"

                      Just clarify and stupidities will start emerging.

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                        Mazhar
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                        It appears you've injured left side of brain now devoid of simple IF THEN logic; son is variable/unknown depends on others.

                        IF child THEN father 1/6, mother 1/6 remainder 2/3
                        IF 1 daughter she gets 1/22/3 = 1/3 and son 1/3
                        IF 2 daughters THEN they get 1/3 and the son 1/3
                        IF 3+ daughters they get 2/3
                        2/3 = 4/9, son 2/9

                        now your turn let's see if you have functioning brain please allocate parents and daughter?

                        I predict you'll run away like always divert not answer questions what disingenuous cowards do!

                        walad/son (erroneous! you really messed up!) now have more unknowns/variables, unsolvable!

                        The bold is allocation by you NOT by Qur'an. See what Qur'an allocated to One Female.

                        http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/4.11o.gif

                        And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half of that which the deceased has left is allocated for her. (Refer 411)

                        I advised you to study about nouns and Anaphor resolution.

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                          Noon_waalqalami
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                          topic is beyond your comprehension (femalemale ratios) peace and good bye!

                          Cairo, National Library qaf 47 one of oldest manuscripts 606-652 CE (95.4%)
                          https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73

                          https//i.postimg.cc/CxFGJC3s/ch4v11-15.jpg

                          Berlin, State Library ms.or.fol. 4313 (same manuscript) 606-652 CE (95.4%)
                          https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73

                          https//i.postimg.cc/SxwtPMV1/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg

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                            Mazhar
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                            Noon. sorry now you have lost your balance. You have understood how stupid idea you have been following for many years..

                            You are not able to clarify one point which you stupidly thought the premises. What is Child in your table. Is it is she, or is it he, is it minor, or grown up.

                            Answer and avoid nonsense.

                            Re Inheritance according to Qur�an
                            ? Reply #670 on Yesterday at 112816 AM ?
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                            Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 052319 AM
                            Now it is total mockery.

                            Quote Arabic words which say son will get one third. Don't throw it from your mind. Put it from Qur'an.

                            It appears you've injured left side of brain now devoid of simple IF THEN logic; son is variable/unknown depends on others.

                            IF child THEN father 1/6, mother 1/6 remainder 2/3
                            IF 1 daughter she gets 1/22/3 = 1/3 and son 1/3
                            IF 2 daughters THEN they get 1/3 and the son 1/3
                            IF 3+ daughters they get 2/3
                            2/3 = 4/9, son 2/9

                            now your turn let's see if you have functioning brain please allocate parents and daughter?

                            I predict you'll run away like always divert not answer questions what disingenuous cowards do!

                            walad/son (erroneous! you really messed up!) now have more unknowns/variables, unsolvable!

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                              Noon_waalqalami
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                              What is Child in your table. Is it is she, or is it he, is it minor, or grown up.

                              definition 411 awladikum/offspring/children (any age) yours; walad (offspring/child any age)

                              6100-101 and make they of to god associates of the jinn and creation them and attribute they of to him banina/sons wabanatin/and daughters in other than knowledge glorified be he and exalted he of what attributing originator the skies and the land how being to him walad (offspring/child) and not it be to him companion his and creation each thing and he in each thing knower

                              man died leaves parents, wife, 3 children (daughters l-lata wal-uza and manat)

                              $120K inheritance allocate since you are smart?

                              http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

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                                Mazhar
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                                definition 411 awladikum/offspring/children (any age) yours; walad (offspring/child any age)

                                6100-101 and make they of to god associates of the jinn and creation them and attribute they of to him banina/sons wabanatin/and daughters in other than knowledge glorified be he and exalted he of what attributing originator the skies and the land how being to him walad (offspring/child) and not it be to him companion his and creation each thing and he in each thing knower

                                man died leaves parents, wife, 3 children (daughters l-lata wal-uza and manat)

                                $120K inheritance allocate since you are smart?

                                http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

                                You are gone into deep confusion.

                                The broken plural means children which can be plural number of daughters and sons. And grammatically it can be used for reference as singular feminine, but NOT singular masculine.

                                You are avoiding resolving your problem about child.

                                In the same table you say child 1/3 and then say daughter half of 2/3=1/3. You need to clear your mind what is "child" in your table, a boy or a girl/daughter or a son.

                                Take my advice. Find time to study about nouns, their gender, and plurality.

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                                  Noon_waalqalami
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                                  In the same table you say child 1/3 and then say daughter half of 2/3=1/3.

                                  411 the children are together (i.e. mixed ratios) male/s and female/s 2, 3+, 1

                                  we are waiting for you/Mazhar to allocate $120K inheritance since you are smart?
                                  man died leaves parents, wife, 3 children (daughters l-lata wal-uza and manat)

                                  http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

                                  Take my advice. Find time to study about nouns, their gender, and plurality.

                                  2233 not made to suffer mother biwaladiha/in (due to) offspring/child (masculine noun) hers
                                  1977 surely given I wealth wawaladan/and offspring (masculine noun) of
                                  3133 not availed parent about waladihi/offspring (masculine noun) his

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    411 the children are together (i.e. mixed ratios) male/s and female/s 2, 3+, 1

                                    we are waiting for you/Mazhar to allocate $120K inheritance since you are smart?
                                    man died leaves parents, wife, 3 children (daughters l-lata wal-uza and manat)

                                    http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

                                    2233 not made to suffer mother biwaladiha/in (due to) offspring/child (masculine noun) hers
                                    1977 surely given I wealth wawaladan/and offspring (masculine noun) of
                                    3133 not availed parent about waladihi/offspring (masculine noun) his

                                    In the first sentence there are two females and a male in the Aulaad. Their internal distribution is given. Not the share/fraction of what is left by the deceased parent.

                                    Pl read Para 26-43 and try to rebut any point.

                                    http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

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                                      Noon_waalqalami
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                                      Pl read Para 26-43 and try to rebut any point.

                                      http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

                                      rebuttal http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

                                      let me break it down since you're beginner top critique among nonbelievers with marrying 9 year-old and wife beating.
                                      no idea why you wrote inheritance article and you are clueless to allocate simple spouse, parents, and daughters?

                                      according to you walad/son (erroneous!) and daughters are alone (erroneous! numerous contradictions!)

                                      411
                                      if three+ daughters they get 2/3
                                      if no son and parents mother 1/3

                                      already max no clue what to give father!

                                      412
                                      if no son husband 1/2
                                      if no son wife gets 1/4

                                      likewise clueless what to give spouse!

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        rebuttal http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

                                        let me break it down since you're beginner top critique among nonbelievers with marrying 9 year-old and wife beating.
                                        no idea why you wrote inheritance article and you are clueless to allocate simple spouse, parents, and daughters?

                                        according to you walad/son (erroneous!) and daughters are alone (erroneous! numerous contradictions!)

                                        411
                                        if three+ daughters they get 2/3
                                        if no son and parents mother 1/3

                                        already max no clue what to give father!

                                        412
                                        if no son husband 1/2
                                        if no son wife gets 1/4

                                        likewise clueless what to give spouse!

                                        Only slanders. You have totally exposed yourself that you lack even basic knowledge of Arabic. How sentences are structured to put meanings in them is far beyond your brain. Sorry to note that you do not even know types of noun and still have self assumed to be a scholar on Qur'aan.

                                        http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/4.11m.gif

                                        This sentence is beyond your comprehension. You see only words. Sentence is far more than sum total of words. Do you know what type of sentence is this? How many are grammatical units in it? What is its tone.

                                        If you know not these basic things avoid spreading your foolish ideas imagined.

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                                          Noon_waalqalami
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                                          It's obvious to everyone reading that you are clueless on allocating even basic shares e.g. father and daughter/s?
                                          This thread is on inheritance distributions which you are hijacking advertising dumb article on your website. If you don't like my distributions (it's there for the benefit of others) open your own thread stop hijacking this one go debate these guys who'll tear you to pieces since you lack even basic logic and cannot distribute anything!

                                          http//www.sillyallah.com/2007/11/inheritance-mistake-in-detail-part-1.html

                                          http//www.sillyallah.com/2007/11/inheritance-mistake-in-detail-part-2.html

                                          http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

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