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An ardent cry of help! Someone, please?

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    spodacus
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    Salam the fact that you are worried about these things in a world where people have lost their connection to a spiritual side is a good sign in and of itself that you are not going to be "abandoned".

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      Rahma
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      Salam the fact that you are worried about these things in a world where people have lost their connection to a spiritual side is a good sign in and of itself that you are not going to be "abandoned".

      My faithless, skeptic mind tells me I am just hanging on to the last straw and I will eventually lose it.

      Honestly can't wait to feel the comfort of God ... I really need it. I don't think I can hang in any longer. I am losing my sanity.

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        good_logic
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        Peace Rahma.

        This may or may not help .I hope you find time to read all of it. Some of it may not apply to you. Or may be all of it will be of no use to you. I apologise in advance if it is of no use.

        Allow me to share it with you-My views about these basic topics- see headings above each one-

        On types of people
        1-There is a difference between one who believes(really and sincerely believes -totally loyal and committed to GOD), one who does not believe and one who believes on their terms and conditions ( Their loyalty shifts to whatever suits their ego)

        2- GOD said Qoran guides and misguides depending on what type of person ( 1).

        3- How can Qoran be clear and simple to all these different types of people? If it was,and no one had any doubt whatsoever there will be no need for a test. The matter will be settled.

        4- We are meant to ponder/study/read/learn Qoran relying on GOD Alone for explanation , be patient and persevere no matter how long it takes. Do not rush it and say my Lord give me more knowledge.

        5- We are blessed by this “Internet” with good and bad things in it. Translations galore,all sorts of views. Pick the best and keep checking with your Lord to help you choose what agrees with Qoran s message. It is hard work and a long journey.
        There is no easy answer . You have to keep checking /analysing/studying/…
        May the Lord keep us on task to answer His call and help us redeem ourselves.

        On those who want to find the truth
        I hope you are sincerely trying to find out the truth, my advice to you is please ,please give Qoran some value and attempt to find out what its message is. This is my opinion.
        You can disregard my opinion, you are free to ask anything you want, I am just concerned and want you to be aware of the following
        Qoran says”Check all information”, each one of us is accountable on the day of judgement .
        No one will have any valid excuse?
        In fact , we cannot blame anyone according to Qoran, everything is being recorded with each individual

        On that day, you will be exposed, nothing of you can be hidden.
        As for the one who receives his record with his right hand, he will say, “Come read my record.
        “I did believe that I was going to be held accountable.”
        As for him who is given his record in his left hand, he will say, “Oh, I wish I never received my record.
        “I wish I never knew my account.….Qoran 7827] They never expected to be held accountable.

        Qoran 1849] The record will be shown, and you will see the guilty fearful of its contents. They will say, “Woe to us. How come this book leaves nothing, small or large, without counting it?” They will find everything they had done brought forth. Your Lord is never unjust towards anyone.
        We created the human, and we know what he whispers to himself. We are closer to him than his jugular vein.
        Two recording (angels), at right and at left, are constantly recording.
        Oblivious to the fact that there are (invisible) keepers around you.
        They are honest recorders.
        They record everything you do.
        Then the earth will shine with the light of its Lord. The record will be proclaimed, and the prophets and the witnesses will be brought forth. Everyone will then be judged equitably, without the least injustice.
        We never burden any soul beyond its means, and we keep a record that utters the truth. No one will suffer injustice.
        We have recorded the fate of every human being; it is tied to his neck. On the Day of Resurrection we will hand him a record that is accessible.
        Read your own record. Today, you suffice as your own reckoner.
        The day will come when we summon every people, together with their record. As for those who are given a record of righteousness, they will read their record and will not suffer the least injustice.
        The day will come when God will resurrect them all, then inform them of everything they had done. God has recorded everything, while they have forgotten it. God witnesses all things.
        You will see every community kneeling. Every community will be called to view their record. Today, you get paid for everything you have done.
        This is our record; it utters the truth about you. We have been recording everything you did.
        As for those who work righteousness, while believing, their work will not go to waste; we are recording it.

        I hope I am wrong in reminding you to ask questions because you sincerely want to learn and understand Qoran s message. If you are sincerely wanting to know, I apologise. Do it your way.

        On GOD and people s choices/decisions

        People want it both ways. They reject GOD and blame him at the same time!!! It does not make sense
        Forgive my words in brackets, or ignore them altogether, but they are my understanding of why disasters exist.

        1331″Even if a Koran ( or any scripture from GOD) caused mountains to move or the earth to tear asunder. or the dead to speak. ( The majority of people will not believe in it!) Those who believe will need to realise that if GOD willed, HE could have guided all the people.( But every individual needs to make that decision by himself, GOD will not force you to believe; Even though) GOD controls all things. The disbelievers ( and idol worshippers) will continue to suffer disasters as a consequence of their own works. ( and bad decisions! If you do not want GOD -your creator- to be part of your life, do not blame HIM for your disasters!) Or have disasters strike close to them. ( because of what others, close to them ,are doing- the decisions they are taking-) Until GOD s promise is fulfilled. GOD will never change the predetermined destiny.( Every human is allowed a lifetime- Short or long- to make their own decision!)

        With GOD No disasters/sufferings…etc.
        Without GOD disasters/sufferings…etc created by bad decisions /injustice/oppression…

        Sorry about the long post.
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          Abaddon
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          How do you do this exactly?

          first step is opening your heart to the creator of the heavens and the earth - if your cry is sincere, he will remove from you the evil. you need to purify your thoughts. which can only be achieved through Most Highs help.

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            hawk99
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            Peace Rahma, at the end of the day it's about you and God, have nothing
            between you, then seek guidance, and be patient, use your senses
            (eyes and ears). There is no need to belong to none but God your best friend.

            welcome to the forum

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              Iyyaka
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              Dear sister,

              My English is not good but your cry is touching.
              Do not think that you are the only one to doubt. If you have the opportunity, you may have a good time with the beauties of this world and contemplate your creator benefactor. Do not put barriers or sails between you and God. Ask yourself, do yoga or meditation to get back to you.
              Listen to your heart..What makes it beat? Listen to the breath that crosses your lungs ... Who makes them dilate?
              Keep the basmala as a mantra in your mind. It should become your guide and your focal point of meditation. Meditate on your uterus that contains life and you will understand Al-Rahman Al-Rahim. Meditate on this belic cord that binds us to life and was cut at one point in our lives and how much our distress took hold of us.
              Do not ask too many questions if it is not the moment. Be simple. Be faithful to God in the direction to follow while you are his instrument on earth.
              And especially forgive, to others but also to yourself and ask Allah to help u and others..

              Peace sister

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                Noon_waalqalami
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                Guys, this post is in earnest. I am a parent and spouse, and my depression and lack of faith has pushed me away into a corner. I need comforting words. How do I come back to God? Sometimes I feel God has locked my heart for doubting and questioning so much. But I have only doubted because I have rarely ever received proper answers.

                peace, how would anyone learn or attain faith if they are never tested?

                https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/9/vers/126?handschrift=73

                https//i.postimg.cc/rFdSbCxw/ch9v125-ch10v7.jpg

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                  MissMarple77
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                  Everyone claims to have found God. You ask muslims, christians, jewish folks, hindus, sikhs, animists, gnostics, whichever denomination you pick claims to have found God and to have guidance.

                  Salam,
                  these people, who claim to have "found" God, have found their understanding of God, probably not God as a whole. Don't know if anyone can have that. So no reason to worry that they are so far ahead of you.

                  My psychologist tells me my need for God/faith is a human need that the brain/years of evolution and cultural thought puts on me. I am in agreement with this; and yet I know I have a mind that questions regardless of this need the nature and existence of God.

                  I am very much in disagreement with this! This is typical for this kind of people that they reduce religion to a tranquilizer If it helps it's good, but truth does not matter.
                  Nowhere in the Quran there is a chapter, where God explains himself in an academic way, that the rational brain can learn about God. He is above the throne. And in another verse, he is nearer to us than our jugular vein. But then to conclude He is everywhere, like some do, also doesn't work.
                  We shall think about the signs in the creation, because about this we have the capacity to think. In our heart we have desire for perfect justice, perfect love, perfect beauty, perfect security, no calamity at all ... (much more > names of Allah). Does all this exist? On earth obviously not. So where?
                  Don't know if this helped much.

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                    Rahma
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                    peace, how would anyone learn or attain faith if they are never tested?

                    https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/9/vers/126?handschrift=73

                    https//i.postimg.cc/rFdSbCxw/ch9v125-ch10v7.jpg

                    Salam Noon,

                    I didn’t catch the image you sent. Please share?

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                      Rahma
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                      Salam,
                      these people, who claim to have "found" God, have found their understanding of God, probably not God as a whole. Don't know if anyone can have that. So no reason to worry that they are so far ahead of you.

                      This gives some perspective. Perhaps all of us “read” God from our limited experiences and languages. How I understand god will even be different from how my sibling or child will understand; let alone how a non muslim would understand.

                      Thanks.

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                        imrankhawaja
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                        Thanking you all in earnest,
                        A sleepless agnostic believer on thin ice

                        welcome

                        I was reading and trying understanding the current situation of your mind journey, i wana suggest you some links of a person who known as expert of ideas and theories at this current stage your mind known by other people as "agnosism"

                        in a very short time you can share the experience of his mind what he discovered and now hes sharing his ideas with lot of people having same ideas coming in their mind like you.

                        start from here and then you can take your time watching all of his concepts..in different videos
                        heart or mind

                        just make sure one thing, when you feel whole world turned against you, YOU(your intelligence/self) must work for you, nobody can turn it against you.

                        when you become your own enemy then we called it, misery/sadness/ill-healthy mind/feeling of failue etc. (becoz you turned against your own mind).

                        best of luck for future

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                          amin
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                          Nice cry, )

                          We bring Him more closer to us, talk to Him more often.
                          We give goodness to others around us, and we will feel more closer to Him.
                          Respect other's views, and identify our double standards, theres a lot we will have before blaming others using words like shirk and we learn a lot.
                          Leave things to the flow/God's way.

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                            burhan
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                            I hope people who have gone through something similar will have words to share. How do you guys get back on track? How do you get back to God? How do learn to trust your heart and ignore the musings of the brain? Just how do you guys have faith and I do not?

                            These might help.

                            https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFee7jBZLhg

                            https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0WwZc-Vz7Y

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                              Jafar
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                              I am so confused and upset ---- each believing individual is at peace with God, no matter which religion they belong to. Either God exists in the brain or God sees no religion and offers comfort to all regardless of denominations and rituals.

                              BINGO.
                              And God exists in everything and more...
                              Even when there was nothing, God still exist..

                              How do I reach out to God? How do I hear back from the creative force?

                              Just ask and it shall be given, seek and you shall find.
                              God knows your questions even before you ask.

                              How will I ever know that it's the authentic voice?

                              You will certainly know, as your conscience will tell you that it's authentic..

                              How do I come back to God?

                              You never left God in the first place... you can't... nobody can...

                              Sometimes I feel God has locked my heart for doubting and questioning so much.

                              Now this is important, God will never locked your heart out because you questioning so much..

                              On contrary... the more question that you have, the more answer that you will find.
                              Just ask and the answer shall be given... those who asked a lot will find a lot, and those who never asked will never find.

                              Yet sometimes the issue is you don't like the answer..... as it's not inline with your preconceived notion.. or the preconceived notion of your society / group / religion / tradition.

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                                imrankhawaja
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                                @ brother jaffar

                                as far i understand she/he is on about a FEELING,

                                feeling that he/she is not sure either God is real or fake or only in human mind this approach we called agnostic approach.

                                Just ask and the answer shall be given... those who asked a lot will find a lot, and those who never asked will never find.

                                sometimes a person ask again and again and again, he/she never get listen he feels every time failure eventually he/she released himself/herself from asking force thinks that the force never existed at first place these type of feelings..

                                when a person never experience God in his whole life let say untill 40 hes been ignored by God what he do ?
                                at this point he lose hope either he will think there is no God or God dnt wana listen him both are not good feelings and these feelings will only lead to more confusion ...

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                                  Cerberus
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                                  Why not just focus on yourself, and what goes on inside you, what makes you do this or that, how does it make you do it, and whether or not you retain your existence while doing it or are you just mindlessly dragged into it ? In other word, are you alive in a day to day basis or not ?

                                  All people feel the need to feel alive, and that is the trap in my opinion, because to feel alive and to be alive are two different things, one is easy and tempting, the other one is hard and painful. And it doesn't matter what makes you feel alive, whether it is immersing yourself in a virtual world of a video game, or constantly hopping into emotional rollercoasters of TV series and news and gossips, or even an empty quest for a deity; whatever it is, it is likely to be a distraction from the real things, from your real self.

                                  My advice would be to empty your senses for a while as they keep you bound to the outside world, and start doing some self-inquiry.

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                                    Rahma
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                                    as far i understand she/he is on about a FEELING,

                                    feeling that he/she is not sure either God is real or fake or only in human mind this approach we called agnostic approach.

                                    This is exactly my anxiety. How will I ever know this is not my mind rambling? (( How do i trust my mind when it’s the same mind that can fake so much ...?! It constantly perturbs me that it’s the same mind that convinces people about all sorts of gods and offers them peace. How do I trust my understanding? I have no desire to not have faith; but I do want to have faith that is based in surety and certainty

                                    How do you guys know you’re holding on to the truth? What makes your faith any different from others’?

                                    I wish you all the best with your faith and sincerity.

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                                      MissMarple77
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                                      The bad thing nowadays is, the human mind and what it all can do, is worshipped like an idol (shirk). No one can weigh spiritual matters with it. Constantly trying to do something which is not possible surely makes one feel very empty.
                                      And SOLIPSISM is the pure philosophy of the devil! Stay away from it to get cured from your depression.
                                      Your HEART is ok, you want the truth. This is the important thing.
                                      Good advice above from Cerberus to beware of virtual realities of different kind. I am not a born muslim, so I may not have such a good unterstanding, how you feel.

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                                        Jafar
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                                        @ brother jaffar

                                        as far i understand she/he is on about a FEELING,

                                        feeling that he/she is not sure either God is real or fake or only in human mind this approach we called agnostic approach.

                                        sometimes a person ask again and again and again, he/she never get listen he feels every time failure eventually he/she released himself/herself from asking force thinks that the force never existed at first place these type of feelings..

                                        Perhaps this is due to expectation?
                                        The answer did came out but it's not in accordance to his/her expectation?
                                        Thus he / she complaint that he / she never received any answer?

                                        when a person never experience God in his whole life let say untill 40 hes been ignored by God what he do ?
                                        at this point he lose hope either he will think there is no God or God dnt wana listen him both are not good feelings and these feelings will only lead to more confusion ...

                                        No one is ignored by God..
                                        Perhaps this is again due to 'expectation'?

                                        "You can't always get what you want, but you might find that you get what you need."
                                        -- Mick Jagger

                                        "One who is contented is rich"
                                        -- Lao Tse

                                        How do you guys know you’re holding on to the truth? What makes your faith any different from others’?

                                        If what you're looking for is "the one and true religion" then the answer is there is no such thing as "the one and true religion".

                                        The key for this is a realization that we're not holding on to the truth, it will allow our mind to be open minded and seek out the truth.
                                        A realization that my 'faith' is no different than others, it contain mistakes as others, allow us to NOT feel special or superior compared to others. Such attitude will allows us to learn...

                                        It also cast away the pride which is within you and allow you to be humble which is the right pose to learn.

                                        Learning is from mistakes, learning is from mistakes.
                                        The ability for self-criticism shall discover our mistakes or the mistakes within faith itself which we have identified with ourselves thus we call it "our faith".

                                        That's why those who are proud and arrogant will never learn or grow, because he / she lacks the capability of realizing his / her own mistakes and/or learn from others.

                                        But arrogant person still serves it purpose, they act as an example for the humble to learn from...

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                                          imrankhawaja
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                                          No one is ignored by God..
                                          Perhaps this is again due to 'expectation'?

                                          "You can't always get what you want, but you might find that you get what you need."
                                          -- Mick Jagger

                                          i know its bit difficult to understand what i am trying to say because everyone have different situations in life i will try telling you a situation so that it will be easy to answer that situation someone is facing..

                                          example a person want to do work for his survival (food,cloths,rent) etc but due to restriction from authorities he/she is unable to do work and in this situation what all hes asking is "permission of work".

                                          some of the examples are of those who are failed asylum seekers not allowed to do work and cant go back to their own countries and when their case is failed they are not entitled to any benefits from government and eventually they have option left to earn illegally where people treat them like modern slavery..

                                          most of the cases its difficult for them to find a work, even if they find it somehow it wont long last that how they manage to live from the savings , whenever they apply for work it get refused which is covering your one point that sometimes we dont like the "answers".

                                          what all he/she is asking is a permission of doing work not any wish or some expectations just a basic right ...

                                          creator need to know his/her situation as he/she is asking from last many many years now how long creator want to delay his/her prayers for seeking a work ?

                                          hes/she is willing to do work but he/she cant do it ? its like a kid dependent on parents want to eat food but parents refusing him and he eventually go outside on streets looking his food on chance basis/luck

                                          at this point he/she will think either GOD is real or not the approach of agnostic feelings.

                                          on top of that his golden young years are getting waste and what he/she need for life is getting more late like basic needs of making a family, a home , due to this he/she feel depression/tenshion @ extreme

                                          NOTE other members can also input their insight i know lot of these type of cases not only failed asylum seekers but also people who are helpless in finding their way or they are blocked by something in life..

                                          only if GOD wills can help them in those matters because its something like we say luck/chance/destiny etc

                                          its kinda dangerous situation specially when he/she felt ignored by God on continuous basis one can think if God exist then he dnt wana help and if he dnt exist then its also not a good sign. due to which most of the times depression lead a person go astray ending up in using of drugs or mental illness or sometimes suicidal ..

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