Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son? - Eid Al Adha

good_logic

It is not rocket Science to know where humans end up after they finish with this life.
They will either be with GOD or without GOD. I,e haven or hell!!!

Since "Majority" do not accept the "rule of GOD" one can guess the obvious.

So brother Imran this simple matter does not require time travel.
When we hit the gravel, the destiny of hell is where the majority will travel.
And all the mysteries you are pondering now will unravel.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

It is not rocket Science to know where humans end up after they finish with this life.

i agree its not a rocket science becoz rocket science deals with discovering space.. rocket science got nothing to do with afterlife

its a time-travelling science still in process of discovery shrouded in cover of mystery

Since "Majority" do not accept the "rule of GOD" one can guess the obvious.

becoz majority get the rules from human made ideas,things,books vs the direct communication/postage.

guesswork plays an important role specially its very easy to guess about future becoz nobody can prove it wrong due to lack of vision in future, hence time-traveling required for proven fact..

They will either be with GOD or without GOD. I,e haven or hell!!!

nothing will gona happen whats not in accordance to the plan of creator, you and me will find out in future, until then chill lol..

So brother Imran this simple matter does not require time travel.

When we hit the gravel, the destiny of hell is where the majority will travel.

may b its simple for you but science see it differently, future events prediction with a solid claim absolutely required time-travel..

the one who made the destiny will lead all actors to the place what he created for the actors of past and future.. according to his plan of placing actors who performed the roles what designed for them by designer.

if he want you to play a villain or hero then nothing can stop you from playing that role..
mickey mouse will certainly play the role what walt disney(his creator) decided for him...mickey got no power to go against walt-disney

Jafar

Peace Jafar.
Your story is not finished, ,this is more like it

Definitely, let me put some more on top of yours..

Kim Il Sun Son, what do you say if I kill you as a sacrifice to our Korean gods?

Kim Jong Il Do as you please dad.

Kim Il Sun ** Lifting his dagger to kill his own son **

Kim Jong Suk STOP!!! WTF are you doing!! Il Suk!! Are you F&*ng insane? He's our child!!!
That's it.. I had enough with this!!
Jong Il!!! Come with Mama.. we're leaving this nuthouse.. your dad is F&*ng insane!!
As for you Il Sun!! That's it.. I had enough of this.. I'm filing for a divorce.. and you don't deserve any parental rights!!

Kim Il Sun Son, your mum has saved you. I will sacrifice her instead.

** Kim Il Sun starting to assault his own wife Kim Jong Suk, but due to Il Sun's old age Jong Suk managed to put on a good fight before finally run away with her son Jong Il. During the fight Jong Il called 911 for help and 30 minutes later the police came to apprehend Kim Il Sun **

Judge Kim Il Sun you're being charged with Assault and Attempted Murder how do you plead?

Kim Il Sun Not Guilty Your Honor!! I was being tricked by Satan, he promised me that if I sacrificed my own son I will own the land of this entire country as a reward.

Judge Huh??? So this Satan is some kind of real estate agent???

Kim Il Sun's Lawyer Your honor, on behalf of my client, we would like to put a mental disorder defense for this case.

Note
If "Kim Il Sun" was living today, he definitely will not be remembered as a 'hero' but as a 'lunatic'...
I deliberately put the same story in "Korean" context thus no one will feel obliged to defend their 'idol' / 'hero' thus more objectivity to view this case is expected.

good_logic

Peace Imran.

I disagree with your take here, quote

the one who made the destiny will lead all actors to the place what he created for the actors of past and future.. according to his plan of placing actors who performed the roles what designed for them by designer.

if he want you to play a villain or hero then nothing can stop you from playing that role..
mickey mouse will certainly play the role what walt disney(his creator) decided for him...mickey got no power to go against walt-disney

My take here
You , me and every individual make their own destiny.. The creator does not force or want anyone to be/do evil
Thank your lucky stars you experience life. Or would you prefer you were nothing?
I accept the restraints of life and death put on me. I trust the creator for what I cannot control. I acknowledge my limited knowledge will hinder my decisions. But I accept accountability and freedom to shape my own destiny which the creator granted every human.

The creator does not want you to be anything you do not want to be. Good or bad are the choices that we make.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

My take here
You , me and every individual make their own destiny..

its just your wishful thinking.
you me and everyone have 0 % control in everything what happened and will happen to me, you and everybody..

i wish we could make our destiny or atleast 0.00001 % of our destiny.

btw we are going off-topic here i said to prove the afterlife events one have to master over time-travel. otherwise all are just guessworks so we need to treat them like guess-works.

good_logic

Peace Imran.
So you are controlled by some power in choosing and making your own decisions?
Then go and do whatever you want. That power will be accountable for you.
You have a good excuse as far as you are concerned.

This is very much on topic. Had Abraham sacrificed his son, would he have blamed GOD ?
One would argue logically and fairly that if GOD had instructed the act, then GOD is to blame!!!!

According to your thinking, accountability does not exist?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

So you are controlled by some power in choosing and making your own decisions?

what is a difference between making destiny and making decision ?
did u made ur destiny ?
did u select what time,country,race you born?

now its (double-offtopic) its ok if you are not a time-traveler rotfl you dun wana admit its another matter.. laugh

This is very much on topic. Had Abraham sacrificed his son, would he have blamed GOD ?
One would argue logically and fairly that if GOD had instructed the act, then GOD is to blame!!!!

although i decided to talk further on that issue if u want my views on it..as i see that linked with topic.

he(abraham) already knew its from God still billions of muslims believed on it that it was from God in the end God send a lamb miracle when abraham opened his eyes lamb was there instead of ishmael..

they already made abraham slaughter his son..(but a miracle appearance of lamb saved him from becoming a son slayer) otherwise we all will be slaying our sons as a tradition rotfl i still hear that story people telling their kids infront of me.

BOLD one would also argue God is responsible for the deaths by tsunami, volcanoes, earthquakes, flood, accidents, etc
and also when nations like lot, adh, samod, noah get destroyed by God there were innocent kids there too etc..
one can also argue not a leaf can move without God permission etc...(everything comes from him)

one can argue a lot about lot of things.

Jafar

Had Abraham sacrificed his son, would he have blamed GOD ?
One would argue logically and fairly that if GOD had instructed the act, then GOD is to blame!!!!

According to your thinking, accountability does not exist?

First and foremost, nobody can be really sure that this "Abraham attempted to murder his own child" really did happened.
And personally I find a lot of suspicious / odious things about the myth / legend in the first place.

And it came down to "CLAIM ON A PIECE OF LAND".

The sequence of the myth are

Abraham attempted to sacrifice his own child
God is moved on what Abraham is willing to do for Him and send out Gabriel to stop the act and put a lamb instead.
(Note What did the lamb do to deserve this ???? another point to ponder..)
Afterward God is so happy that He made a Real Estate agreement with Abraham, God will give the entire land of Canaan to Abraham's descendant and to seal the real estate contract; God demanded Abraham's descendant's penises to be circumcised. As long as they keep circumcising the penises of their boys, God will honor the real estate contract.

I found the above to be totally ridiculous... rotfl rotfl

A series of ridiculous events to justify a claim of ownership made by a group of people on a piece of land and also a justification to expel people not from their own group (those with uncircumcised penises) from the piece of land.

BTW, my penis is also circumcised thus I have a divine right to own a land in the middle east????? rotfl rotfl

Next..

From series of events which made up the legend / myth of Abraham, why the heck they choose to commemorate and celebrate the insanity of Abraham??????

Why not commemorate / celebrate the bravery and brilliance of Abraham when he decided to go against all odds to expose the scam of religion put forth by religious authority?
Even though his own dad was among the key figure of religious authority??
And Abraham was convicted with death by burning because of it?????

That is something that truly deserves a standing ovation....

In similar manner as today's John Oliver put forth a funny and well made exposure of religious scam.
Televangelists Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
https//youtu.be/7y1xJAVZxXg

imrankhawaja

BTW, my penis is also circumcised thus I have a divine right to own a land in the middle east????? rotfl rotfl

rotfl rotfl

i wonder why dnt they follow the command the way it happened to abraham..

At the age of 80 Abraham did his circumcision with the help of AXE, rotfl rotfl rotfl

(Note What did the lamb do to deserve this ???? another point to ponder..)

on the other hand they sacrificed the animals of different kinds instead of lamb lol..

all other animals cows,goats,sheeps,camel,cattle etc will file a case against the un-justice happened to them, they can easily say in the story lamb was there whats our fault hmm (animal abuse victims)

good_logic

I do not see any lamb in the story of Abraham in Qoran.
So Jafar and Imran, you are talking about peoples view on the story.

A lot of assumptions and misunderstanding has nothing to do with what I posted.
Also I do not have a religion, brother Jafar you are mixing me up with some religion I do not claim.

If you quote me, address my points in my posts . Where did I mention any lamb?
GOD bless you both.
Peace.

Jafar

I do not see any lamb in the story of Abraham in Qoran.

Correct the "Quran version" doesn't mention any lamb...

Also I do not have a religion, brother Jafar you are mixing me up with some religion I do not claim.

Good for you.. religion / cult is a poison to common sense and healthy conscience...

But again whether it's replaced with lamb, beef or kebab or salad doesn't really matter.
It's the entire story that I find it ridiculous...

Why not commemorate the legend of Abraham on some of his bold achievement?
Exposing the scam of religion within his own society.
And make it as an inspiration on everyday life...

good_logic

Peace Jafar.
Firstl bring me where I commemorated anything about Abraham? If you are addressing me. Then add this to it, quote

Why not commemorate the legend of Abraham on some of his bold achievement?
Exposing the scam of religion within his own society.
And make it as an inspiration on everyday life...

Otherwise brother Jafar you are making assumptions about me.
Can you see the irony and hypocrisy in your posts ? You are laughing at some assumed views/religion about me!
That is as bad or worse than what you seem to be criticising.
Reminds one of the "plank in the eye", you quote Jesus a lot in some of your posts brother. Use the advice for you as well.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

I do not see any lamb in the story of Abraham in Qoran.
So Jafar and Imran, you are talking about peoples view on the story.

correct you said something like this

This is very much on topic. Had Abraham sacrificed his son, would he have blamed GOD ?
One would argue logically and fairly that if GOD had instructed the act, then GOD is to blame!!!!

laugh

A lot of assumptions and misunderstanding has nothing to do with what I posted.

rotfl

good_logic

Peace Imran.
You are joking ? Quote
correct you said something like this.

Like what? Where do you get "lamb" from my quote?

You mean you do not get what I said?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

@ gl bro let me make it more easy for you..

Me and jafar did not say GL is talking bout lamb,

Then rest of my posts will b easy to understand.

rotfl and i m not joking, ur posts make me laugh a lot thanks for the laughs what i get from u. I appreciate you for this .

good_logic

Thanks brother Imran. I like things easy.
I will help you out by mentioning "lamb", actually many "lambs" in this post

My wife said we each needed to make sacrifices to make our relationship work.
She was less than impressed with the dead lamb I left in our kitchen.

She was right. In order to make a relationship work, you have to make a lot of sacrifices….
Which is why I keep a large number of lambs in my garden…

I adopted a lamb the other day, but my wife said I'd have to get rid of it...
I guess as long as I live with my wife, I'll have to make sacrifices.

As for Abraham
Why did God ask Abraham to sacrifice his son ?
If it was someone else s son it wouldn't be much of a sacrifice.

Do you also want me to tell a story about sacrifice from the beginning?;

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and all things that in them are
Then he eventually created Adam, who was having a lot of fun in the garden, walking around naked, eating fruit from various trees, and hanging out with/naming all of the animals. including lambs.

But one day, Adam began to feel lonely and decided to talk to God about it. In that discussion, Adam expressed that he didn't really have anyone to talk with or connect to on an emotional and physical level and that, somehow, he was incomplete.

God then told Adam about this wonderful creation he had in the works called a woman. In that discussion, he described this woman as being a helpmate, a lover, a friend, a confidant, and a lifetime companion. God said that she would support him in all of his righteous endeavours.

Adam told God that this sounded like the perfect remedy to his ailment and asked God if there was anything he could do to help get things moving along? God said that he would take care of everything, but that he needed an arm and a leg from Adam before he could proceed.

Shocked, Adam asked for some alone time to contemplate such a sacrifice for his own emotional and physical needs. After several hours, he got up, reconvened with God and asked, "What can I get for a rib?"

GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

@ lovely GL

mysterious boy i knew u are a time traveler yay you told us a story about our first parents how they started dating rotfl

u didnt tell who bring eve ? was it gabi or his own rib ? and the most beautiful moment when adam saw eve and he looked in to her eyes like filmy hero rotfl and eve get shy ...

then adam said to eve,

ADAM darling i love u a lot and theres nothing that can separate us.
EVE i know my love adam, there is noone except me and you so none can seperate us anyway..

but they forget an enemy is making a plan to give them damage that was ibless >D
and also a time traveler GL was there

whatever story/movie u come up with there is always a hero and villain hahahaha some times guest appearance like you handshake

good_logic

Peace Imran.
. I will sacrifice the normal rules just one more time and go off topic in this last post to tell you my last 3 stories

1- GOD is doing a better job nowadays ( and not asking anyone to sacrifice their son or daughter) my grand daughter says so

My grand daughter asked, “Did God make me?”
“Yes,” I replied.
“Did he make you, too?”
“Yes.”
“Well,” looking at my wrinkles and thinning hair, “he sure is doing a better job nowadays!”

2- GOD still knows what everyone is doing nowadays ( This Imam has just realised!)

Some working construction company was, levelling the corner of a house that they had jacked about 4 inches above the ground. One of the jacks slipped at the weekend and the house came down with a loud bang.
The next thing , the owner who was the local Imam and a woman who was inside with him, ran out and looked up at the sky. “I thought you did not really know about this Allah, please forgive me....

3- Everyone misunderstands me brother. Even my wife thought I was telling her a joke when my story was real( I was knocking at my own door!)

Knock! Knock!
My wifeWho’s there?
Me Mikey.
My wife Mikey who?
Me Mikey isn’t working, can you let me in?

Thanks for the conversation . Time to go and sacrifice another lamb!!!!
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

Thanks for the conversation . Time to go and sacrifice another lamb!!!!

make sure i want lamb chops grilled one, poor lamb is on trial lol

i just remember movie The Silence of the Lambs must watch movie somehow related with sacrifices.

Jafar

Peace Jafar.
Firstl bring me where I commemorated anything about Abraham? If you are addressing me. Then add this to it, quote

When I'm quoting a text, I'm addressing the statement in the quote and not the author / poster of the quote.
Infact most of the time I didn't bother to see who actually posted the statement.

Speaking about sacrificing and commemorating ridiculous "Abraham tradition".
I just found out that a friend of mine 'sacrificed' vegetables in order to commemorate the tradition, the reason being he's a vegetarian now and refused to do anything or even contribute to anything which might caused harm to animals.
He asked me "Would that still be acceptable by God?"
Which I answered with "I don't know, but who knows, maybe God loves salad..."
A nice idea though, which makes me wondered what would have happened if Abraham was a vegetarian too..

Islamic version also tell a legend that finally Mr. / Ms Satan is finally doing good this time around...
He/She tried to stop Abraham from murdering his own son, but Abraham shun him/her away by pelting stones at him/her.
Commemorated (only by Muslims) by throwing stones at pillars (jamrah/jamarat) as part of the Hajj ritual.
Which added more inconsistency to already ridiculous legend.
Throw stones to anyone who tried to stop you from murdering your own son...