Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son? - Eid Al Adha

good_logic

Peace Imran.
You are joking ? Quote
correct you said something like this.

Like what? Where do you get "lamb" from my quote?

You mean you do not get what I said?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

@ gl bro let me make it more easy for you..

Me and jafar did not say GL is talking bout lamb,

Then rest of my posts will b easy to understand.

rotfl and i m not joking, ur posts make me laugh a lot thanks for the laughs what i get from u. I appreciate you for this .

good_logic

Thanks brother Imran. I like things easy.
I will help you out by mentioning "lamb", actually many "lambs" in this post

My wife said we each needed to make sacrifices to make our relationship work.
She was less than impressed with the dead lamb I left in our kitchen.

She was right. In order to make a relationship work, you have to make a lot of sacrifices….
Which is why I keep a large number of lambs in my garden…

I adopted a lamb the other day, but my wife said I'd have to get rid of it...
I guess as long as I live with my wife, I'll have to make sacrifices.

As for Abraham
Why did God ask Abraham to sacrifice his son ?
If it was someone else s son it wouldn't be much of a sacrifice.

Do you also want me to tell a story about sacrifice from the beginning?;

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and all things that in them are
Then he eventually created Adam, who was having a lot of fun in the garden, walking around naked, eating fruit from various trees, and hanging out with/naming all of the animals. including lambs.

But one day, Adam began to feel lonely and decided to talk to God about it. In that discussion, Adam expressed that he didn't really have anyone to talk with or connect to on an emotional and physical level and that, somehow, he was incomplete.

God then told Adam about this wonderful creation he had in the works called a woman. In that discussion, he described this woman as being a helpmate, a lover, a friend, a confidant, and a lifetime companion. God said that she would support him in all of his righteous endeavours.

Adam told God that this sounded like the perfect remedy to his ailment and asked God if there was anything he could do to help get things moving along? God said that he would take care of everything, but that he needed an arm and a leg from Adam before he could proceed.

Shocked, Adam asked for some alone time to contemplate such a sacrifice for his own emotional and physical needs. After several hours, he got up, reconvened with God and asked, "What can I get for a rib?"

GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

@ lovely GL

mysterious boy i knew u are a time traveler yay you told us a story about our first parents how they started dating rotfl

u didnt tell who bring eve ? was it gabi or his own rib ? and the most beautiful moment when adam saw eve and he looked in to her eyes like filmy hero rotfl and eve get shy ...

then adam said to eve,

ADAM darling i love u a lot and theres nothing that can separate us.
EVE i know my love adam, there is noone except me and you so none can seperate us anyway..

but they forget an enemy is making a plan to give them damage that was ibless >D
and also a time traveler GL was there

whatever story/movie u come up with there is always a hero and villain hahahaha some times guest appearance like you handshake

good_logic

Peace Imran.
. I will sacrifice the normal rules just one more time and go off topic in this last post to tell you my last 3 stories

1- GOD is doing a better job nowadays ( and not asking anyone to sacrifice their son or daughter) my grand daughter says so

My grand daughter asked, “Did God make me?”
“Yes,” I replied.
“Did he make you, too?”
“Yes.”
“Well,” looking at my wrinkles and thinning hair, “he sure is doing a better job nowadays!”

2- GOD still knows what everyone is doing nowadays ( This Imam has just realised!)

Some working construction company was, levelling the corner of a house that they had jacked about 4 inches above the ground. One of the jacks slipped at the weekend and the house came down with a loud bang.
The next thing , the owner who was the local Imam and a woman who was inside with him, ran out and looked up at the sky. “I thought you did not really know about this Allah, please forgive me....

3- Everyone misunderstands me brother. Even my wife thought I was telling her a joke when my story was real( I was knocking at my own door!)

Knock! Knock!
My wifeWho’s there?
Me Mikey.
My wife Mikey who?
Me Mikey isn’t working, can you let me in?

Thanks for the conversation . Time to go and sacrifice another lamb!!!!
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

Thanks for the conversation . Time to go and sacrifice another lamb!!!!

make sure i want lamb chops grilled one, poor lamb is on trial lol

i just remember movie The Silence of the Lambs must watch movie somehow related with sacrifices.

Jafar

Peace Jafar.
Firstl bring me where I commemorated anything about Abraham? If you are addressing me. Then add this to it, quote

When I'm quoting a text, I'm addressing the statement in the quote and not the author / poster of the quote.
Infact most of the time I didn't bother to see who actually posted the statement.

Speaking about sacrificing and commemorating ridiculous "Abraham tradition".
I just found out that a friend of mine 'sacrificed' vegetables in order to commemorate the tradition, the reason being he's a vegetarian now and refused to do anything or even contribute to anything which might caused harm to animals.
He asked me "Would that still be acceptable by God?"
Which I answered with "I don't know, but who knows, maybe God loves salad..."
A nice idea though, which makes me wondered what would have happened if Abraham was a vegetarian too..

Islamic version also tell a legend that finally Mr. / Ms Satan is finally doing good this time around...
He/She tried to stop Abraham from murdering his own son, but Abraham shun him/her away by pelting stones at him/her.
Commemorated (only by Muslims) by throwing stones at pillars (jamrah/jamarat) as part of the Hajj ritual.
Which added more inconsistency to already ridiculous legend.
Throw stones to anyone who tried to stop you from murdering your own son...

NK

It is quite strange that no one in the Quran takes their dreams literally. Prophet Joseph, Two prisoners in the cell, King's dream, Prophet Muhammad etc. They all interpret their dreams as everyone knows that events in the dreams are not literal but allegorical events which requires interpretation.

Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) was a very logical person according to Quran. How can he take his dream literally?

huruf

It is quite strange that no one in the Quran takes their dreams literally. Prophet Joseph, Two prisoners in the cell, King's dream, Prophet Muhammad etc. They all interpret their dreams as everyone knows that events in the dreams are not literal but allegorical events which requires interpretation.

Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) was a very logical person according to Quran. How can he take his dream literally?

Exactly, NK.
Thank God you point that out. Not even in dreams does God tell him to do anything, he simple dreams that he sarifices his son. And that is why, when his son turns older and they go out together, he tells him I have this dream, my dear son, what do you make of it?

He could not be talking with that even straightfoward manner if what he was taling about was killing his son with his own hands, he would be absolutely overwhelmed.

Once more, supposed Qur'an believers are drowned in sippings of the bible.

Salaam

Jafar

Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) was a very logical person according to Quran. How can he take his dream literally?

The earliest evidence about story of Abraham smashing idols, and showing Abraham's superior logic compared to his society during that time, was first appeared in Midrash (300 AD)
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_and_the_Idol_Shop

While the story Abraham trying to murder his son was written / authored earlier,
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac

The Jews / Israelites were known to commemorate the 'Abraham murdering his son' a.k.a as "Akedah" during their "Rosh Hashanah" festival (Jewish New Year). Much earlier than their Christians and Muslims counterpart.

It's clear that the Xtians and Muslims, which appeared much later compared to Judaism, took the same Abraham myth and add some flavors in accordance to their taste, Specifically the Muslims changed the place of events to Mecca and add additional flavors of Abraham throwing stones at the Devil because the Devil was trying to persuade him to stop his murderous events. (Yet another ridiculous myth added to already ridiculous myth). And they're proposing that it was Ishmael that was sacrificed and not Isaac. (Yeah, whatever... it doesn't take away the insanity of the myth anyway)

We may never know what truly happened or even if Mr. Abraham truly exist.
But.... if there are options to commemorate the Abraham myths, let's opted for the "logical Abraham smashing the biggest idol" as written in the Midrash and the Quran.

Wakas

peace,

It is quite strange that no one in the Quran takes their dreams literally. Prophet Joseph, Two prisoners in the cell, King's dream, Prophet Muhammad etc. They all interpret their dreams as everyone knows that events in the dreams are not literal but allegorical events which requires interpretation.

Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) was a very logical person according to Quran. How can he take his dream literally?

See article
https//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-Abraham-sacrifice-son.html

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To end I would like readers to ponder over the following point. Please note the interesting use of different words for 'the sleep/dream' (al manam) in 37102, and 'the vision' (al ru'ya) in 37105. Please re-read the verses above.
At first I thought this was unusual but my research of Quran has often taught me that its use of language is precise and for a reason so I decided to dig deeper and I was amazed at what I found. The usage of 'al manam' in Quran always indicates a literal dream meaning, i.e. no interpretation required, but 'al ru'ya' involves foretelling of a future event that requires interpretation. Thus, Abraham saw in his dream/manam that he was literally sacrificing his son in 37102, but in 37105 God states he confirmed the vision/ru'ya (i.e. interpreted dream). If Quran had said he confirmed his 'al manam' that could have implied he was about to carry out what he literally saw. Coincidence?

Summary
The Quranic evidence suggests that God tested Abraham with a dream in which he saw himself literally sacrificing his son. However both Abraham and his son correctly understood its meaning/significance, and when Abraham confirmed the vision by leaving his son he was rewarded.

Iyyaka

peace,

See article
https//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-Abraham-sacrifice-son.html

Summary
The Quranic evidence suggests that God tested Abraham with a dream in which he saw himself literally sacrificing his son. However both Abraham and his son correctly understood its meaning/significance, and when Abraham confirmed the vision by leaving his son he was rewarded.

Salam Wakas,

Even if you did not react or take into account my Quranic arguments about the translation of verse 37103, I would like to thank you for forcing me to look again at this passage on Abraham in Surah 37.
Here is my analysis of the structural observation of this story

Abraham's stories goes from verse 3783 to verse 37113 (the longest story that deals with the past among other stories)
This Qur'anic narrative can be divided into 2 big blocks

From verse 37-83 to verse 3793 => Abraham is alone
From verse 3794 to verse 37 113 => Abraham with his son and alone with Allah

In the first narrative block(V83-93) we find 2 elements of "sacrifice"

"Sacrifice" of Abraham to his people and his father after denying idols by arguing with them => A definitive separation
An attempt fails, by Allah's grace, to "sacrifice" Abraham at a pyre ((37 97 4) bun'yānan = a structure / Interesting Root definition => Ibn Faris says this root means to build by linking apart from one thing by another)

3&#039 In the second narrative block(V94-113) we find 1 element of "sacrifice"

"Sacrifice" of Abraham who separates himself from his son definitively after helping him to fulfill his vision - Well done for your remark in your article.

But the question that comes to me By the play of symmetry between the two narrative blocks, where is the altar of sacrifice? (the second element of "sacrifice&quot

Answer watallahu lil .. = He heaps it at ...

I know that it does not suit your conclusion but thank you for your help for the meditation, by the grace of allah..
Peace

Wakas

peace Iyyaka,

But the question that comes to me By the play of symmetry between the two narrative blocks, where is the altar of sacrifice? (the second element of "sacrifice&quot

Your claim of symmetry, two narrative blocks, and there being two sacrifices in each block is built entirely upon your subjective interpretation. For example you said "1. "Sacrifice" of Abraham to his people and his father after denying idols by arguing with them => A definitive separation"

In what way is this a sacrifice?

When it comes to interpreting Quran, I find that sticking with what is solid (and objective as possible) first, then building on that solid foundation is the best approach, not the other way around, i.e. using subjective/unverifiable methods to build one's understanding on.

Wakas

peace Iyyaka,

Sorry, I only just now read your earlier post below.

Even if you did not react or take into account my Quranic arguments about the translation of verse 37103...

I read your analysis just now and I consider it weaker, in comparison to my own. My understanding is relatively straightforward and the most cogent from a Quranic perspective, in my view.

And the reward is that God made sure that his remembrance and his work are saved for posterity (again in coherence with the other prophets cited in this surah).

This can also fit with my understanding.

Thus, if it is the case as I think, I lack an element to be convinced by your understanding of the verb "Talla"
How do you translate and understand (2127) ?
Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
2127 And when Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundations of the Bayt, "O our Sustainer! Accept Thou this from us for, verily, Thou alone art all-hearing, all-knowing!"

Sorry in advance if you have already answered this question elsewhere in this forum.
Knowing that if we trust the Bible on this particular subject Abraham was building altars dedicated to God in different places.

I can only assume you consider 2127 relevant is because you think the "sacrificial son" was Ishmael. Quran is not explicit on whom it was but my research indicates it was Isaac. The context of the verses only mention Isaac. Most Biblical scholars considered it to be Isaac, and most early Traditional Muslim scholars also considered it to be Isaac. Muslim scholars changed their mind later (at some point in time). There are various theories/reasons as to why they changed their mind but my preliminary research suggests it was to give eminence to Makkah and to link the Traditional Hajj rtuals with Abraham.

In any case you can read my translation and analysis of that verse here
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html

Iyyaka

peace Iyyaka,

Your claim of symmetry, two narrative blocks, and there being two sacrifices in each block is built entirely upon your subjective interpretation. For example you said "1. "Sacrifice" of Abraham to his people and his father after denying idols by arguing with them => A definitive separation"

In what way is this a sacrifice?

When it comes to interpreting Quran, I find that sticking with what is solid (and objective as possible) first, then building on that solid foundation is the best approach, not the other way around, i.e. using subjective/unverifiable methods to build one's understanding on.

Sorry but my proofs are only quranic - the signs from allah are there. No subjective interpretation just literal context proofs.
As i said i don't believe, under quranic control, at a "PHYSICAL sacrifice", even in dream, between Abraham and Ismael. You can sacrifice your life to spread the message of Allah..as all the messenger.
If the word "sacrifice" disturb you you can use "to devoted yourself to a cause..".

We must separate 2 thinks

First the "sacrifice" of Abraham and Ismael for Allah and specially to call people to visit "the first bouse of gathering" and purify it (not the Kaaba but a place well define) where Ismal stayed live at this place for the rest of his life.
Abraham built with the help of Ismael an altar (Kaaba) as a symbol (the arabic word "shaʿār" - visible) of offering animals for defined days every year to thank Allah for his blessings and to feed the poor.
=> 595
"...and to make it as a donation to reach/as-an-offering-to the Ka'aba..." => So clear, no subjective idea.
And the root word of Ka'aba can refer to the ankle (high and full and useful/beneficial) or the firm and rounded boobs of young woman. (This 2 examples are also in the Quran not in my imagination).

if you do not believe that allah gives you signs by the structuring of his speech and the links that he makes even through different suras then it is your right, BUT from there to declare that it is a SUBJECTIVE method I think that it is a counterproductive manner and a no-Quranic argument ("Does they meditate ?&quot, which does not profit in advancing the truth.

NB just a precision => The quranic Word "Ka'aba" does not fit with what traditional Muslims call Ka'aba at modern Mecca

Peace

TellMeTheTruth

Salam!
I agree that Ibrahim was to leave his sons. There is no sacrifice of animal or human. ذبح عظیم means great separation/splitting.
May be it is talking about the death of Ibrahim AS. Not sure.
Peace!

jkhan

Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son?
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Feedback welcome, especially corrections. Thanks.

Peace Wakas...

For me your article seems very interesting... but i will go through again when i have time...

For everyone if you say that dream is not from God, then i cannot agree to it... whatever the dreams mentioned in quran (many right) all seems from God... Story may end sad but from God... But i don't personally whatever the dreams people used to see in their life is from God or not..expect an answer to it..
For example two prisoners saw dreams and they were explained by dream specialist Yousuf and what they saw in the turned out to be as true predictions.. There could be meaningful dreams which really gives concerns to people... we used to see dreams and not even remember what they are, but very few dreams it touches our heart and hovers around to see what it could be...

Finally as per quran non of the dreams stated in it is not from satan or any other forces.. but from God... But all dreams will have meaning or not.. no clue.. Ibrahim was not a dream specialist.. we don't see it in quran directly applying it to him.. And all messages won't come through dreams.. If allah want to talk to a human to pass a message there is three way according to verse 4251...

So dreams are kind of indirect hint that God may send us, but not always... it is not our duty to believe in them unless there is an authority given... example Yousuf.. people could have asked from him since God has taught him and it is an authority.. But Abraham never had such capacity which we are not told through quran...

In fact if Abraham saw was something that has to performed, Abraham could have waited till a messenger comes to him and reveal - (if you take the story as sacrifice)

But i think what waqas telling is a different story and ..... that is something to ponder... coz Abraham took the dream from God and implemented it without any direct message being delivered...After all he was a messenger and any orders of such extent would have directly come to him through a messenger... But ibrahm believed the dream ...

jkhan

"My Lord, grant me from the righteous." ~~~ He was righteous..wasn’t he?
So We gave him good news of a compassionate child. ~~~ God gave good news… does God need to give him a bad news when he grows up?
So when he reached the age of striving/working (with him), he said "Indeed I have seen in sleep/dream that I am sacrificing you, so look what you see?" He said "O my father, do what you are commanded (you will)find me, if God willed, of the patient ones." ~~~ what Ibrahim saw was a dream and not a command.. Will ever Allah command anything to any messenger through Dream.. Allah may show dreams and dreams may come true.. but will Allah ever order to do what a person saw in dream (which is practically unconscious)… Ismail is righteous child and compassionate.. he would obey his father for sure and of course more than that Ibrahim was a messenger and need to obey..But Ismail was a not a grown man (refer musa grown man verse)… so Ismail said, “Do what you are COMMANDED” Is it really a command from God for Ibrahim to practice? No.. Unless any such command was given to Ibrahim through dream previously. 4251 denies anyhow.. “Ismail further said (You will) find me if God will of the patient”… Yes Dear Waqas He cant be patient after he was killed.. But Till Ibrahim implement what he has seen in the dream, Ismail can be utterly patient till he face it.. not to escape or deny.. That is real patience.. while being with his father and knowing he is gonna kill him….And He was in fact patient..
The dream (Mana) of Mohamed was not a command.. it was just an encouragement and even doubtful Mohamed knew that it was from Allah until the verse was revealed saying it..and in the end what Mohamed saw was not real coz reality was different but encouraged..
So when they both submitted and he (Abraham) brought* him (son) to*** his (Abraham's) forehead (or side of head). ~~~ So they both (Aslama – Surrendered not submited) to execute the task… How do you decide that He brought Ismail to Abrahm’s forehead? Does Arabic verse give you a clear cut meaning to accept that Abraham’s head.. why can’t it be Ismail’s head…
And We called him "O Abraham," ~~~ Most significant part.. pls answer Mr. Waqas.. Why God through a Messenger (coz WE is used) should call “O Ibrahim” when actually Ibrahim took Ismail to his forehead… God could have called Ibrahim once Ismail actually leaving him if you take the meaning in that way.. God called Ibrahim at the right time to avoid and save from a great disaster .. That suits as most of the quran believers accept… What is the point of isolating a not fully grown man from him if it was the real meaning of it?
"Surely you have believed/confirmed the vision." Indeed like thus We reward the righteous/good-doers. ~~~ What was said to Ibrahim by calling him … said “you believed the vision”.. If it was a command from God, why the command was cancelled by calling at Ibrahim? What was the reward after cancelling a command? I consider it cancelled with the flow of verses coz he was ransomed of a disastrous sacrifice…The dream doesn’t state that should be left alone on his journey. Ibrahim doesn’t need to send him alone.. He could have properly took him to the place where he should be left. 1437 doesn’t say just leaving anyone … it is stated “ I have SETTLED some of my Progeny ..” huge difference to above..

Remember God calling 37104 O’ Ibrahim.. while Ibrahim calling 1437“O our Lord, I have settled” totally contrary… These are two incidents..
Surely this (was) a clear trial. ~~~~ of course it was a trial and a great one which Ibrahim trapped but God saved both and it was a reward and great favor and specially for Righteous like Ibrahim when he was in dilemma …We all are put to test but not always you will find God save from our evil act without knowledge..Ibrahim was favored..

And We ransomed/exchanged him with/for a mighty/great sacrifice. ~~~ what God ransomed was in fact great and it could have been a DISASTROUS sacrifice… not at all a great (highly valued) sacrifice… but ismail was saved and ransomed of a disastrous/great(great in the bad aspect) sacrifice…Why take Azeem as good side of GREAT why not bad side of great..

Further Ismail was not isolated as we can see Abrahim and ismail together raised foundation of the house (whatever it is)…Abrahim established the house and were entrusted to keep it clean and tidy.. and Ibrahim SETTLED remember some of his Progeny.. big difference it makes to your view when we compare the word settled? It was not like Ibrahim isolated his son in a sad and horrible way to consider it a great matter..that’s barbaric act…Even the dream was not such to leave him in a barbaric manner. So how he could take him to his forehead and say bye bye…that’s bizarre..

Anyhow it is interesting your research... but not convincing and i would remain with the conventional understanding...but definitely not sacrificing animal remembering Abrahim and ismalil and resorting to Makka... all nonsense..

Wakas

peace jkhan,

Re

what Ibrahim saw was a dream and not a command.. Will ever Allah command anything to any messenger through Dream.....
....so Ismail said, “Do what you are COMMANDED” Is it really a command from God for Ibrahim to practice? No.. Unless any such command was given to Ibrahim through dream previously. 4251 denies anyhow.. ...

we have very few examples of dreams of messengers in Quran thus unable to claim with certainty God never commands through dream.
there does not need to be a prior command via dream for this to be accepted as one.
his son clearly interpreted it as a command (or something Abraham is expected to do) and so did Abraham, thus I would rather take their view on it than claim they made a mistake and we know better.
4251 doesn't exclude anything. It would only exclude it if it was explicitly stated dreams do not fall within these categories.

Re

How do you decide that He brought Ismail to Abrahm’s forehead? Does Arabic verse give you a clear cut meaning to accept that Abraham’s head.. why can’t it be Ismail’s head…

Both before and after this part, the one spoken of is Abraham. To suggest otherwise will be inserting a break in addressee without any reason.

Re

Why God through a Messenger (coz WE is used) should call “O Ibrahim” when actually Ibrahim took Ismail to his forehead… God could have called Ibrahim once Ismail actually leaving him if you take the meaning in that way.. God called Ibrahim at the right time to avoid and save from a great disaster

It doesn't say when he was called but I have no issue if it was during or immediately after this goodbye embrace. If we take your view, one could argue why not call to him as Abraham raised the knife/sword etc (i.e. last minute). The fact that you consider it your "most significant part" indicates your objections to my position is weak.

I considered your other points poor/irrelevant, hence no reply. If you think they are, perhaps you can articulate them better, keeping it concise.

Also, you consistently kept referring to the "sacrifice son" as Ishmael. There is no Quranic evidence of this.

jkhan

Dear Brother Waqas,
Thank you for taking your valuable time to respond my concerns..
Btw your article is interesting but honestly not convincing coz it doesn’t convince me, I have no idea about others..but many of your articles have convinced me and I verified it with quran..

we have very few examples of dreams of messengers in Quran thus unable to claim with certainty God never commands through dream. ~~~..yeah.. that’s the truth.. then why you claim so that it was a command? God says wait till my command comes… messengers have waited though the followers were in a hurry..how do you judge on what God has not taught you ? Has God taught you to take the dream/s as command or is it in quran? That will put any one in great confusion … confusion is not command, but commands are clear .. only three ways 4251
there does not need to be a prior command via dream for this to be accepted as one. ~~~ who gave you this authority? I am serious.. how you conclude it? Give Quranic proof to go in line as you always write in articles..
his son clearly interpreted it as a command (or something Abraham is expected to do) and so did Abraham, thus I would rather take their view on it than claim they made a mistake and we know better.~~~ His son didn’t know anything.. do you agree.. Everything was Abraham’s mere decision.. That’s’ why His son said “Do what you are commanded…” No command to his son or no information and totally nothing…And no evidence of proof sending a Messenger .. no confirmation.. merely Abraham’s dream for which Abraham was asking sort of PERMISION from his son.. wasn’t he? “so look what you see” this is what Abraham said.. so needs his son’s permission.. in case His son refused then Allah’s command is nullified.. How can a messenger nullify a command from God just coz his son doesn’t agree?
See the end… God only said to Abrahm “ You believed the dream” no reward nothing to his son… who is more sacrificing person here Abraham or His son.. be it isolating him or sacrificing… His son is key and not Abrahim.. without his son acknowledgement nothing would happen out there..
4251 doesn't exclude anything. It would only exclude it if it was explicitly stated dreams do not fall within these categories. ~~~ Yes.. that’s what I emphasize… no believer can take anything as command unless God has spoken to someone in any of the medium which 4251 refers..no need any explicit explanation from God while He crystal clearly said in 4251.. So.. God won’t talk to any human being including Ibrahim other than those three medium… Dreams are not God’s command and any orders that we have to take into our life… you can only go for interpretation of dreams with someone who is authorized..

Further what you mean other irrelevant points?... may be you referring the word Azeem..

You have no clue in your article about “He was ransomed / exchanged with / of mighty / great sacrifice…no connection to your story by this verse..

Dear it is of course physical sacrifice God referred… No other meaning you can get it.. dhāl bā ḥā (ذ ب ح) (entire quran either slaughter / sacrifice) so stick with it.. don't deviate.. Just look at the verse 5646 where Azeem appears.. does that mean Mighty / Great Sin in a positive sense… no way.. that is something of unpleasant, evil oriented Azeem…Same way God absolutely delivered Abraham’s Son form a Azeem (Great) grievous Sacrifice.. That’s perfect.. claiming separation is fine from your end, but you can’t end with the verse 37107 – He was ransomed of a Horrible Sacrifice.. read the verse 5646 or similar to get a clear picture what the Azeem + sacrifice may mean…

Finally you stated that I was kept using Ismail..yeah sorry.. but your article started saying about Eid Al Adha and conventional and majority of muslims practices… so what they practice is connected with Abraham and Ismail..You can’t be referring any other while you are talking about them…. Anyhow lets stick with quran… hope any of the son of Abrahm..

Folks.. anyway.. it is not a big deal like the creation of heavens and earth and distorting them... Ibrahim knows what actually he did so did his son.. it won't harm our belief... so let people raise opinions... but i love sticking with quran's immaculate meaning.. coz it is only one meaning intended by God.. Not me and Waqas be right... only one God intended meaning ... lets approach for it...
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Sorry... in addition to that the complete chapter 37 is talking about delivering messengers and people from Great disasters... and ibrahim ans ismail is no exception... pls members who have not read the chapter fully, read when you have time...