Salat - établir le lien avec Allah - méditation
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Peace, jkhan!
oh, i overlooked her gender ;D I just wondered because the website is only in english or arabic and i dont restrict her of anything brother, what makes you think that? The web is wide btw, guidance can be found anywhere.
Just your reply no. 01 propelled me to say that.... It's English forum means.. Indirectly you may be telling her to write either English or leave...though you didn't say so... Lol ... No grudges okay dude...
I feel sad when I heard about your leg... May Allah make your life easier.. -
Salam,
Pas de soucis, j'ai modifié mon profil après le 1e message de quincy.Faites comme moi, utilisez le traducteur de site pour comprendre le contenu de mes messages. Pas besoin de faire appel à une tierce personne pour traduire.
C'est une des raisons qui m'a poussée à quitter le forum, on a m'a demandée d'écrire en anglais. Ça ne m'a pas empêchée d'écrire plus de 1487 messages sous le pseudo de marie.
Voici le lien page 4
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Bienvenu copine Houriya.
C est vrais le language n est pas le plus important.
Partout dans le monde ,l internet nous permit de traduire toute les langue du monde.Ce quont dis- i.e le message - esi le plu important.
Au sujet du "Salat", le debat continue. La question que je pose est
Common Abraham et les generation apres lui ont fait le Salat?Je suis d accord avec le point Le Salat est . "Contact avec Allah".
GOD bless you.
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Thank you for your welcome. In surat alfatiha, we read guide us "sirat mustaqueem", which can be translated vertically way, that which goes from the head (mind) to the heart. When one is connected to one's heart, life becomes fluid and flows easily. We are naturally guided towards the right decisions. we become free internally.
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Peace Houriya.
Thank you for your reply.Yes indeed, "Sirat Al Mustaqueem" is a priority in the deen, In my view The Salat is also important but related to "Iyyaka Nastaeen".
- Wa Istaeenu Bi Al Sabri Wa Al Salat...
I find Qoran giving more importance to "Sirat Al Mustaqueem" and defines it clearly in the following
1-Ihdina Al Sirat Al Mustaqueem….What is this sirat Al Mustaqueem?
2- Wa Ma Khalktu Al Jinn Wa Insa Illa Li Yabuduni… Then , Wa An Ibuduni ,Hada Siratun Mustaquuem. So Sirat Al MUstaqueem is the Ibada of Allah i.e Following /mirroring the good attributes of Allah like Justice ,forgiveness, loving, humble, helpful...etc to be a straight /good morals and good conduct human being.(Following GOD s instructions/commands...)
3- Now the definition of the Sirat Al mustaqueem comes in the following versesSay, "Come let me tell you what your Lord has really prohibited for you You shall not set up idols besides Him. You shall honor your parents. You shall not kill your children from fear of poverty - we provide for you and for them. You shall not commit gross sins, obvious or hidden. You shall not kill - God has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."
قُل تَعالَوا أَتلُ ما حَرَّمَ رَبُّكُم عَلَيكُم أَلّا تُشرِكوا بِهِ شَيـًٔا وَبِالوٰلِدَينِ إِحسٰنًا وَلا تَقتُلوا أَولٰدَكُم مِن إِملٰقٍ نَحنُ نَرزُقُكُم وَإِيّاهُم وَلا تَقرَبُوا الفَوٰحِشَ ما ظَهَرَ مِنها وَما بَطَنَ وَلا تَقتُلُوا النَّفسَ الَّتى حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلّا بِالحَقِّ ذٰلِكُم وَصّىٰكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُم تَعقِلونَ
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You shall not touch the orphans' money except in the most righteous manner, until they reach maturity. You shall give full weight and full measure when you trade, equitably. We do not burden any soul beyond its means. You shall be absolutely just when you bear witness, even against your relatives. You shall fulfill your covenant with God. These are His commandments to you, that you may take heed.
وَلا تَقرَبوا مالَ اليَتيمِ إِلّا بِالَّتى هِىَ أَحسَنُ حَتّىٰ يَبلُغَ أَشُدَّهُ وَأَوفُوا الكَيلَ وَالميزانَ بِالقِسطِ لا نُكَلِّفُ نَفسًا إِلّا وُسعَها وَإِذا قُلتُم فَاعدِلوا وَلَو كانَ ذا قُربىٰ وَبِعَهدِ اللَّهِ أَوفوا ذٰلِكُم وَصّىٰكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُم تَذَكَّرونَ
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This is My path - a straight one. You shall follow it, and do not follow any other paths, lest they divert you from His path. These are His commandments to you, that you may be saved.
وَأَنَّ هٰذا صِرٰطى مُستَقيمًا فَاتَّبِعوهُ وَلا تَتَّبِعُوا السُّبُلَ فَتَفَرَّقَ بِكُم عَن سَبيلِهِ ذٰلِكُم وَصّىٰكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُم تَتَّقونَWhile the Salat is more food for the soul ,Sirat Al Mustaqueem is the basic requirement to be saved .
Basically to be a good human that follows GOD s commandments as per the above verses.
GOD bless you.
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I feel sad when I heard about your leg... May Allah make your life easier..
Thank you brother! But i already go used to it since i got it since childhood and with todays technology its not so bad, only inconvenient from time to time ;D
@Houriya Welcome to the Forum!
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Thank you brother! But i already go used to it since i got it since childhood and with todays technology its not so bad, only inconvenient from time to time ;D
I am really proud of your pleasant and brave approach to life...
God bless you to rest of your life here and the hereafter specially....
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Peace Houriya.
Indeed ,I agree GOD preserves His words, here are the verses about losing The Salat
1958
These are some of the prophets whom God blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of Adam, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.
أُولٰئِكَ الَّذينَ أَنعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيهِم مِنَ النَّبِيّـۧنَ مِن ذُرِّيَّةِ ءادَمَ وَمِمَّن حَمَلنا مَعَ نوحٍ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّةِ إِبرٰهيمَ وَإِسرٰءيلَ وَمِمَّن هَدَينا وَاجتَبَينا إِذا تُتلىٰ عَلَيهِم ءايٰتُ الرَّحمٰنِ خَرّوا سُجَّدًا وَبُكِيًّا1959
After them, He substituted generations who lost the Salat, and pursued their lusts. They will suffer the consequences.
فَخَلَفَ مِن بَعدِهِم خَلفٌ أَضاعُوا الصَّلوٰةَ وَاتَّبَعُوا الشَّهَوٰتِ فَسَوفَ يَلقَونَ غَيًّاSurely this is telling us that GOD preserves through His words and through the chosen people of the generations .
GOD bless you.
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Peace Houriya.
Indeed ,I agree GOD preserves His words, here are the verses about losing The Salat
1958
These are some of the prophets whom God blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of Adam, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.
أُولٰئِكَ الَّذينَ أَنعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيهِم مِنَ النَّبِيّـۧنَ مِن ذُرِّيَّةِ ءادَمَ وَمِمَّن حَمَلنا مَعَ نوحٍ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّةِ إِبرٰهيمَ وَإِسرٰءيلَ وَمِمَّن هَدَينا وَاجتَبَينا إِذا تُتلىٰ عَلَيهِم ءايٰتُ الرَّحمٰنِ خَرّوا سُجَّدًا وَبُكِيًّا1959
After them, He substituted generations who lost the Salat, and pursued their lusts. They will suffer the consequences.
فَخَلَفَ مِن بَعدِهِم خَلفٌ أَضاعُوا الصَّلوٰةَ وَاتَّبَعُوا الشَّهَوٰتِ فَسَوفَ يَلقَونَ غَيًّاSurely this is telling us that GOD preserves through His words and through the chosen people of the generations .
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace GL....
I wonder when it says they lost their Salat and follow lusts... Does it mean they still do Salat?..
If you take Salat as prayer in this verse or as Morals does it mean those in previous verse followed Salat while we see those nations destroyed except few....My main concern is is this current generation lost probably according to this verse.. Even if we take Salat as prayer or moral?
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Peace jkhan.
Itsays "The Salat", this is the same Salat that was taught to Abraham who asked for it as a "help from his Lord"- Rabi Ijalni Muqueem The Salat and my offspring-
I see it as a connection with GOD -contact prayer- to feed the soul. Since morals are part of the instinct of all humans.
GOD bless you.
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peace all,
Please note member goodlogic often claims salat was taught to Abraham (and passed down to us) but when questioned about it has very little to no Quranic evidence to back this up.
e.g. past discussions
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10279.msg410420#msg410420
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606088.msg347663#msg347663 -
Peace All.
And here was my replyPeace Wakas.
I have provided you with verses on this topic numerous times in the past( 1440,2173,16123, 835,2014, and many other verses) . Please look for them through the search button.
Also I do not see your logic in asking me to provide evidence for "my take" on topics, when I say it is my view and provided verses that you may not agree with. You can take it or leave it.
But I am always .willing to provide verses as per my understanding from Qoran.Also this
Like I said to Wakas, it is my view and one has to study Qoran and get their understanding from its verses.
I do my "salat" at home at this moment. I do not go to a mosque as I do not agree with the traditional take on the deen. In my opinion it is not dedicated to GOD Alone and some of what they do contradicts instructions of Qoran.
I see my relationship with GOD Alone as personal . I try my best (Ma Istataatum) to follow a peaceful life with all the denominations as instructed by Qoran.Then this other reply
Peace Wakas.Thank you for your post.
Here are the verses you requested
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Muhammad A Follower of Abraham*
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Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham,* the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper.
ثُمَّ أَوحَينا إِلَيكَ أَنِ اتَّبِع مِلَّةَ إِبرٰهيمَ حَنيفًا وَما كانَ مِنَ المُشرِكينَWe made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Salat and the Zakat....
Were these not verses from Qoran?
GOD bless you.
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peace all,
Please note member goodlogic often claims salat was taught to Abraham (and passed down to us) but when questioned about it has very little to no Quranic evidence to back this up.
e.g. past discussions
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10279.msg410420#msg410420
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606088.msg347663#msg347663I don't think there is anything specific to teach in Salat when it is meant prayer...
But I don't agree teaching to Ibrahim coz in the verse it is started with Nuh... So.. The same Salat was lost from Nuh.... If it actually taught to Ibrahim what then Nuh and many generations between nuh and Ibrahim practiced as Salat.... Anyhow that's a different point..
But no one answered my concern.... Is this generation lost its Salat (be it prayer or ethics or whatever closely going as mesnkng) and follows our own desire. Sunni and sia perform Salat... So something is around... Since we don't accept Sunni and shia to be following the right guidance as they follow all hadiths....so Salat what they do can also be off line .... But can't be called lost.. Can be? Unless Salat here is not prayer... Why lost and used the word then 'they follow' .... Then Desire or lust.... If they are wrong then only those who follow as guidance quran is minute population... So.. Is this generation lost ? Or is this generation lost all good ethics and follow own desire which is immoral.... Like all generations only minute believe in God.... But the verse in fact talked about a generation before Quran which should totally lost... No one believer performing moral or Salat . .isn't it? Coz nuh to Ibrahim had people in them who lost Salat.... -
Can I put this correction for my last post
Verses
It should have been {1435-40}{ and not {1425-30.}
GOD bless.
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Peace all
God teaches us how to make salat through the verses of the Qur'an. If I have to keep two commandments of the Qur'an, it will be salat and zakat and the two comandements are closely related. Salat includes all divine commands. Salat is a means, the finality is the daily practice of the commandments.
Surah 29
- Recite what is revealed to you from the Book and perform the Salat. In truth, salat preserves turpitude and blame. The reminder of Allah is certainly the greatest. And Allah knows what you are doing.
Surah 108
2. Fulfill Salat for your Lord and sacrifice.God bless
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peace goodlogic,
As I said you present little to no Quranic evidence, e.g. your translation of 2173 is inaccurate and I'm confident you know that yet you still peddle it. That's why I highlight past discussion about this claim of yours so forum readers can take it under consideration.
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Peace Wakas.
Let us have your accurate translation of 2173?
Then define what the word "Millat Abraham"is" is for us and proceed to explain what is it that entails .
In other words explain these verses as well
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As Abraham raised the foundations of the beyt, together with Ismail (they prayed) "Our Lord, accept this from us. You are the Hearer, the Omniscient.
وَإِذ يَرفَعُ إِبرٰهـۧمُ القَواعِدَ مِنَ البَيتِ وَإِسمٰعيلُ رَبَّنا تَقَبَّل مِنّا إِنَّكَ أَنتَ السَّميعُ العَليمُ
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"Our Lord, make us submitters to You, and from our descendants let there be a community of submitters to You. Teach us the rites of our Manasik, and redeem us. You are the Redeemer, Most Merciful.
رَبَّنا وَاجعَلنا مُسلِمَينِ لَكَ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِنا أُمَّةً مُسلِمَةً لَكَ وَأَرِنا مَناسِكَنا وَتُب عَلَينا إِنَّكَ أَنتَ التَّوّابُ الرَّحيمُ2129
"Our Lord, and raise among them a messenger to recite to them Your revelations, teach them the scripture and wisdom, and purify them. You are the Almighty, Most Wise."
رَبَّنا وَابعَث فيهِم رَسولًا مِنهُم يَتلوا عَلَيهِم ءايٰتِكَ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الكِتٰبَ وَالحِكمَةَ وَيُزَكّيهِم إِنَّكَ أَنتَ العَزيزُ الحَكيمُ
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Who would forsake the Millat of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous.
وَمَن يَرغَبُ عَن مِلَّةِ إِبرٰهـۧمَ إِلّا مَن سَفِهَ نَفسَهُ وَلَقَدِ اصطَفَينٰهُ فِى الدُّنيا وَإِنَّهُ فِى الـٔاخِرَةِ لَمِنَ الصّٰلِحينَAnd
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Who is better guided in his Deen than one who submits totally to God, leads a righteous life, and follows the Millat of Abraham? God has chosen Abraham as a beloved friend.
وَمَن أَحسَنُ دينًا مِمَّن أَسلَمَ وَجهَهُ لِلَّهِ وَهُوَ مُحسِنٌ وَاتَّبَعَ مِلَّةَ إِبرٰهيمَ حَنيفًا وَاتَّخَذَ اللَّهُ إِبرٰهيمَ خَلي16123
Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the Millat of Abraham,* the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper.
ثُمَّ أَوحَينا إِلَيكَ أَنِ اتَّبِع مِلَّةَ إِبرٰهيمَ حَنيفًا وَما كانَ مِنَ المُشرِكينَ2278
You shall strive for the cause of God as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your Deen - the Millat of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Submitters" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Salat and give the Zakat, and hold fast to God; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.
وَجٰهِدوا فِى اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهادِهِ هُوَ اجتَبىٰكُم وَما جَعَلَ عَلَيكُم فِى الدّينِ مِن حَرَجٍ مِلَّةَ أَبيكُم إِبرٰهيمَ هُوَ سَمّىٰكُمُ المُسلِمينَ مِن قَبلُ وَفى هٰذا لِيَكونَ الرَّسولُ شَهيدًا عَلَيكُم وَتَكونوا شُهَداءَ عَلَى النّاسِ فَأَقيمُوا الصَّلوٰةَ وَءاتُوا الزَّكوٰةَ وَاعتَصِموا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَولىٰكُم فَنِعمَ المَولىٰ وَنِعمَ النَّصيرُBy the way brother this Salat that GOD mentions "The Salat" . is explained perfectly here, quote
God has defined contacting Him by the word Al-Salah or الصَّلَوةُ , translated as "the Contact Prayer". This word means "direct contact or getting in direct touch with" in Arabic language. When God refers to contacting Him, He always uses this word defined by one of the most powerful grammatical tools of definition, Al or ال or the. Besides the distinction it makes between the rite and command of contacting God and the casual praying or imploring one could do any time, any where, and in any manner, this defining tool, the/ال, assures us that the Contact Prayer/ Al-Salah/ الصَّلَوةُ is an already existing, well-known practice or rite that is much older than Quran and Muhammad and is part of "Millat Abraham" .
Your confidence of my knowledge is an assumption. I am the one who is confident in what I understand so far brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
