Salat - établir le lien avec Allah - méditation
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I feel sad when I heard about your leg... May Allah make your life easier..
Thank you brother! But i already go used to it since i got it since childhood and with todays technology its not so bad, only inconvenient from time to time ;D
@Houriya Welcome to the Forum!
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Thank you brother! But i already go used to it since i got it since childhood and with todays technology its not so bad, only inconvenient from time to time ;D
I am really proud of your pleasant and brave approach to life...
God bless you to rest of your life here and the hereafter specially....
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Peace Houriya.
Indeed ,I agree GOD preserves His words, here are the verses about losing The Salat
1958
These are some of the prophets whom God blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of Adam, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.
أُولٰئِكَ الَّذينَ أَنعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيهِم مِنَ النَّبِيّـۧنَ مِن ذُرِّيَّةِ ءادَمَ وَمِمَّن حَمَلنا مَعَ نوحٍ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّةِ إِبرٰهيمَ وَإِسرٰءيلَ وَمِمَّن هَدَينا وَاجتَبَينا إِذا تُتلىٰ عَلَيهِم ءايٰتُ الرَّحمٰنِ خَرّوا سُجَّدًا وَبُكِيًّا1959
After them, He substituted generations who lost the Salat, and pursued their lusts. They will suffer the consequences.
فَخَلَفَ مِن بَعدِهِم خَلفٌ أَضاعُوا الصَّلوٰةَ وَاتَّبَعُوا الشَّهَوٰتِ فَسَوفَ يَلقَونَ غَيًّاSurely this is telling us that GOD preserves through His words and through the chosen people of the generations .
GOD bless you.
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Peace Houriya.
Indeed ,I agree GOD preserves His words, here are the verses about losing The Salat
1958
These are some of the prophets whom God blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of Adam, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.
أُولٰئِكَ الَّذينَ أَنعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيهِم مِنَ النَّبِيّـۧنَ مِن ذُرِّيَّةِ ءادَمَ وَمِمَّن حَمَلنا مَعَ نوحٍ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّةِ إِبرٰهيمَ وَإِسرٰءيلَ وَمِمَّن هَدَينا وَاجتَبَينا إِذا تُتلىٰ عَلَيهِم ءايٰتُ الرَّحمٰنِ خَرّوا سُجَّدًا وَبُكِيًّا1959
After them, He substituted generations who lost the Salat, and pursued their lusts. They will suffer the consequences.
فَخَلَفَ مِن بَعدِهِم خَلفٌ أَضاعُوا الصَّلوٰةَ وَاتَّبَعُوا الشَّهَوٰتِ فَسَوفَ يَلقَونَ غَيًّاSurely this is telling us that GOD preserves through His words and through the chosen people of the generations .
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace GL....
I wonder when it says they lost their Salat and follow lusts... Does it mean they still do Salat?..
If you take Salat as prayer in this verse or as Morals does it mean those in previous verse followed Salat while we see those nations destroyed except few....My main concern is is this current generation lost probably according to this verse.. Even if we take Salat as prayer or moral?
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Peace jkhan.
Itsays "The Salat", this is the same Salat that was taught to Abraham who asked for it as a "help from his Lord"- Rabi Ijalni Muqueem The Salat and my offspring-
I see it as a connection with GOD -contact prayer- to feed the soul. Since morals are part of the instinct of all humans.
GOD bless you.
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peace all,
Please note member goodlogic often claims salat was taught to Abraham (and passed down to us) but when questioned about it has very little to no Quranic evidence to back this up.
e.g. past discussions
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10279.msg410420#msg410420
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606088.msg347663#msg347663 -
Peace All.
And here was my replyPeace Wakas.
I have provided you with verses on this topic numerous times in the past( 1440,2173,16123, 835,2014, and many other verses) . Please look for them through the search button.
Also I do not see your logic in asking me to provide evidence for "my take" on topics, when I say it is my view and provided verses that you may not agree with. You can take it or leave it.
But I am always .willing to provide verses as per my understanding from Qoran.Also this
Like I said to Wakas, it is my view and one has to study Qoran and get their understanding from its verses.
I do my "salat" at home at this moment. I do not go to a mosque as I do not agree with the traditional take on the deen. In my opinion it is not dedicated to GOD Alone and some of what they do contradicts instructions of Qoran.
I see my relationship with GOD Alone as personal . I try my best (Ma Istataatum) to follow a peaceful life with all the denominations as instructed by Qoran.Then this other reply
Peace Wakas.Thank you for your post.
Here are the verses you requested
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Muhammad A Follower of Abraham*
16123
Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham,* the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper.
ثُمَّ أَوحَينا إِلَيكَ أَنِ اتَّبِع مِلَّةَ إِبرٰهيمَ حَنيفًا وَما كانَ مِنَ المُشرِكينَWe made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Salat and the Zakat....
Were these not verses from Qoran?
GOD bless you.
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peace all,
Please note member goodlogic often claims salat was taught to Abraham (and passed down to us) but when questioned about it has very little to no Quranic evidence to back this up.
e.g. past discussions
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10279.msg410420#msg410420
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606088.msg347663#msg347663I don't think there is anything specific to teach in Salat when it is meant prayer...
But I don't agree teaching to Ibrahim coz in the verse it is started with Nuh... So.. The same Salat was lost from Nuh.... If it actually taught to Ibrahim what then Nuh and many generations between nuh and Ibrahim practiced as Salat.... Anyhow that's a different point..
But no one answered my concern.... Is this generation lost its Salat (be it prayer or ethics or whatever closely going as mesnkng) and follows our own desire. Sunni and sia perform Salat... So something is around... Since we don't accept Sunni and shia to be following the right guidance as they follow all hadiths....so Salat what they do can also be off line .... But can't be called lost.. Can be? Unless Salat here is not prayer... Why lost and used the word then 'they follow' .... Then Desire or lust.... If they are wrong then only those who follow as guidance quran is minute population... So.. Is this generation lost ? Or is this generation lost all good ethics and follow own desire which is immoral.... Like all generations only minute believe in God.... But the verse in fact talked about a generation before Quran which should totally lost... No one believer performing moral or Salat . .isn't it? Coz nuh to Ibrahim had people in them who lost Salat.... -
Can I put this correction for my last post
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It should have been {1435-40}{ and not {1425-30.}
GOD bless.
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Peace all
God teaches us how to make salat through the verses of the Qur'an. If I have to keep two commandments of the Qur'an, it will be salat and zakat and the two comandements are closely related. Salat includes all divine commands. Salat is a means, the finality is the daily practice of the commandments.
Surah 29
- Recite what is revealed to you from the Book and perform the Salat. In truth, salat preserves turpitude and blame. The reminder of Allah is certainly the greatest. And Allah knows what you are doing.
Surah 108
2. Fulfill Salat for your Lord and sacrifice.God bless
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peace goodlogic,
As I said you present little to no Quranic evidence, e.g. your translation of 2173 is inaccurate and I'm confident you know that yet you still peddle it. That's why I highlight past discussion about this claim of yours so forum readers can take it under consideration.
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Peace Wakas.
Let us have your accurate translation of 2173?
Then define what the word "Millat Abraham"is" is for us and proceed to explain what is it that entails .
In other words explain these verses as well
2127
As Abraham raised the foundations of the beyt, together with Ismail (they prayed) "Our Lord, accept this from us. You are the Hearer, the Omniscient.
وَإِذ يَرفَعُ إِبرٰهـۧمُ القَواعِدَ مِنَ البَيتِ وَإِسمٰعيلُ رَبَّنا تَقَبَّل مِنّا إِنَّكَ أَنتَ السَّميعُ العَليمُ
2128
"Our Lord, make us submitters to You, and from our descendants let there be a community of submitters to You. Teach us the rites of our Manasik, and redeem us. You are the Redeemer, Most Merciful.
رَبَّنا وَاجعَلنا مُسلِمَينِ لَكَ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِنا أُمَّةً مُسلِمَةً لَكَ وَأَرِنا مَناسِكَنا وَتُب عَلَينا إِنَّكَ أَنتَ التَّوّابُ الرَّحيمُ2129
"Our Lord, and raise among them a messenger to recite to them Your revelations, teach them the scripture and wisdom, and purify them. You are the Almighty, Most Wise."
رَبَّنا وَابعَث فيهِم رَسولًا مِنهُم يَتلوا عَلَيهِم ءايٰتِكَ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الكِتٰبَ وَالحِكمَةَ وَيُزَكّيهِم إِنَّكَ أَنتَ العَزيزُ الحَكيمُ
2130
Who would forsake the Millat of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous.
وَمَن يَرغَبُ عَن مِلَّةِ إِبرٰهـۧمَ إِلّا مَن سَفِهَ نَفسَهُ وَلَقَدِ اصطَفَينٰهُ فِى الدُّنيا وَإِنَّهُ فِى الـٔاخِرَةِ لَمِنَ الصّٰلِحينَAnd
4125
Who is better guided in his Deen than one who submits totally to God, leads a righteous life, and follows the Millat of Abraham? God has chosen Abraham as a beloved friend.
وَمَن أَحسَنُ دينًا مِمَّن أَسلَمَ وَجهَهُ لِلَّهِ وَهُوَ مُحسِنٌ وَاتَّبَعَ مِلَّةَ إِبرٰهيمَ حَنيفًا وَاتَّخَذَ اللَّهُ إِبرٰهيمَ خَلي16123
Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the Millat of Abraham,* the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper.
ثُمَّ أَوحَينا إِلَيكَ أَنِ اتَّبِع مِلَّةَ إِبرٰهيمَ حَنيفًا وَما كانَ مِنَ المُشرِكينَ2278
You shall strive for the cause of God as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your Deen - the Millat of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Submitters" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Salat and give the Zakat, and hold fast to God; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.
وَجٰهِدوا فِى اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهادِهِ هُوَ اجتَبىٰكُم وَما جَعَلَ عَلَيكُم فِى الدّينِ مِن حَرَجٍ مِلَّةَ أَبيكُم إِبرٰهيمَ هُوَ سَمّىٰكُمُ المُسلِمينَ مِن قَبلُ وَفى هٰذا لِيَكونَ الرَّسولُ شَهيدًا عَلَيكُم وَتَكونوا شُهَداءَ عَلَى النّاسِ فَأَقيمُوا الصَّلوٰةَ وَءاتُوا الزَّكوٰةَ وَاعتَصِموا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَولىٰكُم فَنِعمَ المَولىٰ وَنِعمَ النَّصيرُBy the way brother this Salat that GOD mentions "The Salat" . is explained perfectly here, quote
God has defined contacting Him by the word Al-Salah or الصَّلَوةُ , translated as "the Contact Prayer". This word means "direct contact or getting in direct touch with" in Arabic language. When God refers to contacting Him, He always uses this word defined by one of the most powerful grammatical tools of definition, Al or ال or the. Besides the distinction it makes between the rite and command of contacting God and the casual praying or imploring one could do any time, any where, and in any manner, this defining tool, the/ال, assures us that the Contact Prayer/ Al-Salah/ الصَّلَوةُ is an already existing, well-known practice or rite that is much older than Quran and Muhammad and is part of "Millat Abraham" .
Your confidence of my knowledge is an assumption. I am the one who is confident in what I understand so far brother.
GOD bless you.
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Peace All.
The subject of "The Salat has been discussed many times in this forum. Those who disagree with it as a "contact prayer" have different explanations for it as commitment or morals or various different explanations that are inconsistent.
, This specific thing that we seek as a help from GOD- Qoran calls it Al Salat- ,something that should be identified as clear and consistent .,practiced since Abraham according to Qoran by many of the generations since Abraham
Summarised well in 2278
وَجٰهِدوا فِى اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهادِهِ هُوَ اجتَبىٰكُم وَما جَعَلَ عَلَيكُم فِى الدّينِ مِن حَرَجٍ مِلَّةَ أَبيكُم إِبرٰهيمَ هُوَ سَمّىٰكُمُ المُسلِمينَ مِن قَبلُ وَفى هٰذا لِيَكونَ الرَّسولُ شَهيدًا عَلَيكُم وَتَكونوا شُهَداءَ عَلَى النّاسِ فَأَقيمُوا
الصَّلوٰةَ وَءاتُوا الزَّكوٰةَ وَاعتَصِموا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَولىٰكُم فَنِعمَ المَولىٰ وَنِعمَ النَّصيرُ
Aquimu Al Salat-The salat", all of you followers of Millat Abraham.When one finds out what it is, here is what should be done with it
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"I am God; there is no other god beside Me. You shall "Ubudni" Me alone, and observe the Salat to remember Me.
إِنَّنى أَنَا اللَّهُ لا إِلٰهَ إِلّا أَنا۠ فَاعبُدنى وَأَقِمِ الصَّلوٰةَ لِذِكرى
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You shall enjoin your Ahlaka- next of kin/family... to the Salat, and steadfastly persevere in doing so. We do not ask you for any provisions; we are the ones who provide for you. The ultimate triumph belongs to the righteous.
وَأمُر أَهلَكَ بِالصَّلوٰةِ وَاصطَبِر عَلَيها لا نَسـَٔلُكَ رِزقًا نَحنُ نَرزُقُكَ وَالعٰقِبَةُ لِلتَّقوىٰRemember that GOD is in no need of anything from us. This ,The Salat ,is a gift from GOD to nourish our souls.
I recognise it as the one with Ruku and sujud and remembering GOD i.e getting in touch with GOD .For me it must be the contact prayer that is well known by the whole world when they see someone doing it, be it Muslims or Jews...This is the only consistent understanding of The salat by the whole world and clear at that.
Does GOD require us to make money contribution to Him for doing it? Does it cost anything? Is it that bad that people oppose it? Does it not represent the best meditation if done sincerely? Does it harm anyone?
Surely ,from my experience, it helps both body and spirit. Try it?Also for me it fits with both verses above ,it also explains if it is taught through families it keeps being preserved. And it makes sense that it stops the person committing sins and reflect on their conduct and well being spiritually..
Finally ,those who claim it means something else ,have not connected all the verses and came up with a consistent way for it.
Obviously each to their understanding,
I will leave you to ponder this
"Araaita Alladi Yanha Abdan Idha Salla*
May the Lord guide us to the best understanding.
GOD bless you All.
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Unfortunately member good logic digs himself deeper into his hole by now misrepresenting more verses, e.g. 2278 and 20132, and makes claims such as "Finally ,those who claim it means something else ,have not connected all the verses and came up with a consistent way for it."
Implying he has (which he hasn't), yet admits words like "zakat" mean different things . So salat has to be consistent but zakat doesn't? Only God knows the logic of good logic.
For those opposed to his view his misrepresentations and inconsistent approach is evidence that he may be wrong. It's a classic tell tale sign.
For those wondering why I'm being stern with member good logic, it's simple, I do not like it when it is pointed out to people that what they said has inconsistencies/assumptions/flaws (and even admit it) yet they continue to peddle it repeatedly as if nothing happened.
When it comes to salat I have found member good logic to lack credibility. It is unfortunate I have to say this about a long term forum member but I'm simply sharing my view. I have nothing against him as a person. Feel free to disagree.
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Peace Wakas.
Let me quote you first
Implying he has (which he hasn't), yet admits words like "zakat" mean different things . So salat has to be consistent but zakat doesn't? Only God knows the logic of good logic.It is unlike you not to read posts properly.
Please read my posts again ,I was not talking about the word Salat without the "Al" ,I was specifically talking about The Salat -Al Salat_ that Qoran mentions in many verses. This specific and particular Salat is consistently the same .
You are slipping up brother.
GOD bless you.
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It is unlike you not to read posts properly.
Please read my posts again ,I was not talking about the word Salat without the "Al" ,I was specifically talking about The Salat -Al Salat_ that Qoran mentions in many verses. This specific and particular Salat is consistently the same .
You are slipping up brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Brother GL.peace.....
You definitely know brother waqas or myself or almost most of the members here don't oppose Salat as prayer as well... Be it As Salat or merely Salat... Definitely there is salat which should be done verbally to applaud the Creator at certain times of a day... That cannot be discarded... But your claim of AL Salat only prayer very awkward... You can't say that unless you prove each verse in which As Salat appears... That's beyond probability.... Now it seems only As Salat is prayer for you.... Not the word without AL... That's pretty creepy.... Then tell me in chapter 231-10, two times salat is stated without AL joined, what do those two salat mean? Remember these 10 verses is criteria to be those successful to enter Janna...
Pray dude... No issues... But don't claim As Salat always prayer....
As stated in many of my previous posts Aqeem As Salat WAathuzakath never can be prayer + giving... I am 100% ... I am convinced in that... Bring any verse of such... I will explain what it means... I can't help if you remain in your understanding... But at least find in fact what God meant by them... By exploring neutrally all such verses....
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Peace jkhan.
I am only referring to verses with "Aquimi/Aquimu...The Salat" Or "The Salat"-i.e Salat is preceded with "Al".
Not all other forms from the verb "Salla"./Yussallun/Salatuhum...etc They can mean different things according to the context.You may not agree that all Aquimi The Salat or the Salat verses are a "contact prayer" from Qoran.
I am saying according to my understanding they are.
The consistency of the steps do not vary from generation to the next. generation.( Standing, bowing prostrating)The corruption of " The salat "like including other than GOD in it, not devoting it to GOD Alone, changing the numbers, adding/taking away...etc have been cleared up by Qoran.
Did Mohammed do "Iquami the Salat" Why and how? Is there evidence he did? Was he instructed to "Aquimi The Salat"? How did he know what it was?There are other things that have not got step by step instructions in Qoran. You can see the different interpretations for them here and elsewhere. For example how do you do Zakat ...etc.. But Qoran explained how they came about and how they were preserved- Wa Wassa Biha Abraham Baneeh- Abraham instructed his offspring...and so on.
Qoran needs pondering for the details to be found like you would put together a jigsaw. GOD has chosen His words to be a trial for those that claim they want to follow them.
If everything came as clear as crystals in Qoran, and no effort was made to find the path, there would be no need for a trial and GOD and the Angels would be present here explaining them.Well, keep looking for your details. I will keep digging and studying to find mine.
Read the posts about The Salat again, there is not a shred of evidence in them to make me think I better stop observing The Salat. On the contrary, I see a lot of confusion with your and others explanation .
Would you agree with me brother that I cannot follow your reasoning on what you or others have provided so far?
I will keep on observing my contact prayer dedicating it to GOD Alone.
Thank you for the conversation and GOD bless you.
Peace.
