Anger, Wrath, Revenge, and God
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Peace Truthseeker.
For me it is neither harm nor annoy or "Yudhuna" in 3357.
Try the word "oppose"
3357 Those who oppose GOD and His messenger....GOD bless you.
Peace.That fits great for the verse. bravo bravo bravo
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Peace good logic,
While you are at it, why don't you change the Arabic word as well? What you just did is inexcusable and is not good logic but the worst logical fallacy. This is how people invent a fabrication and others blindly follow and clap. Nice nope
This is proof that someone realizes the Arabic makes no sense and then deliberately invents/fabricates/twists the meaning to make sense.
The word used for oppose in the quran is "haadda" from the root Ha-Dal-Dal (5820-22, 585, 963)
5820 Surely, those who YUHAADDUN/"oppose" God and His messenger, they will be with the lowliest.
5822 You will not find any people who believe in God and the Last Day leaning towards those who HAADDA/"oppose" God and His messenger, .........................
585 Those who YUHAADDUN/"oppose" God and His messenger will be disgraced, like their previous counterparts were disgraced. We have sent down clear proofs, and the rejecters have incurred a shameful retribution.
963 Did they not know that whoever YUHAADIDI/"opposes" God and His messenger, he will have the fire of Hell, abiding therein. Such is the greatest humiliation.
The quran does not run out of words and has the word for oppose in its vocabulary and would have used that word in 3357 if it meant "oppose". The quran CONSISTENTLY uses words derived from "Ha-Dal-Dal" when it means "oppose".
THE ROOT "HAMZA-THAL-YA" DOES NOT MEAN OPPOSE IN ANY OF ITS MEANINGS.
Please do not invent/fabricate/twist meanings to deceive/mislead/misguide others.
378 And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.
Peace
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Just letting you guys know i cant speak or read arabic sorry if i made a mistake.
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Peace.
Peace the word I believe is indeed "harm" however the context
is harm which is done with the mouth! I think we all agree that
we cannot harm Allah, we can only harm Allah in the eyes/mind
of others.33/57 Indeed, those who harm Allah and His Messenger (with their mouths)
Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for
them a humiliating punishment.33/58 And those who harm believing men and believing women (with their mouths)
for other than what they have earned have certainly born upon themselves
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Peace Truthseeker.
You find contradictions and difficulties in Qoran.
I ,opposethat view.However there is no harm in us having a different opinion.GOD bless you.
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Salaam/Peace to All,
yes, we may absolutely have different opinions, yet always remain as brothers/sisters nope handshake yes
So here is how I understand it
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57- Surely those who offend/malign/insult (=yudhoona) AL-LAH and HIS Messenger,
AL-LAH will condemn them in this world and in the Hereafter;
and HE has prepared for them a shameful retribution (=exactly equivalent to the "shame"
they want to bring upon AL-LAH and HIS Messenger by their "offend/malign/insult" above =40/17, 40
if they do not repent and return to HIM till the very end of their normal lifespan here =4/17-1.Remain in peace/salaam.
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Peace All.
So where is the argument?
All these words- Harm/Annoy/Insult/Malign/Offend...Mean one is in opposition with!!!i.e oppose
Also the word "Oppose" summs them up perfectly.
Again my opinion.
GOD bless.
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Peace good logic,
Bad logic as usual. Logical fallacy of unwarranted assumption and false premise.
Someone can hurt/harm others without opposing them, for example setting their house on fire, damaging their car etc. The word in question in 3357 does not mean insult either.
It is nonsense that someone can harm/hurt/annoy God.
Peace
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Peace Truthseeker.
When you say ,quoteSomeone can hurt/harm others without opposing them, for example setting their house on fire, damaging their car etc.
Do you mean by accident?
Because otherwise, they must have some sort of issue with them,hence "in opposition" to them!
GOD bless you.
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Peace.
